Tompo Posted September 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM Posted September 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM The mods can split this conversation into another thread if they desire.Lets go back to Benghazi. There is still scandal to be mined from that place. Nope. There's only a "Benghazi scandal" for people who are unable or unwilling to accept facts. Benghazi has been investigated numerous times--and no wrong doing was found. And, no "stand down" order given. How many more Congressional investigations will convince you? While it is up in the air as to there being a stand down order given or not , one thing is very clear . There certainly wasn't an order given to help those people. It's not "up in the air". Several congressional committees as well as the Pentagon, said there was no stand down order. The Pentagon also said assets would not have arrived in time to stop or save the Americans.
OldMarineVet Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:55 PM Author Posted September 21, 2014 at 02:55 PM Tompo, I understand what you are saying. But White House stonewalling has covered up answers to basic questions through testimony. That's breeded speculation and confusion even among Republicans. The lack of critical testimony is why the House requested and received approval to form a Special Committee. That Committee will have more teeth to obtain that critical testimony. I'm anxiously waiting that testimony.
Tompo Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:48 PM Posted September 21, 2014 at 04:48 PM Tompo, I understand what you are saying. But White House stonewalling has covered up answers to basic questions through testimony. That's breeded speculation and confusion even among Republicans. The lack of critical testimony is why the House requested and received approval to form a Special Committee. That Committee will have more teeth to obtain that critical testimony. I'm anxiously waiting that testimony. There has been several Congressional investigations into Benghazi--nothing new was learned in the most recent. Republicans that sat on those committees found nothing that pointed toward wrong doing by the admin. And, the Pentagon has repeatedly said there was no stand down order.
OldMarineVet Posted September 21, 2014 at 05:48 PM Author Posted September 21, 2014 at 05:48 PM Tompo, I understand what you are saying. But White House stonewalling has covered up answers to basic questions through testimony. That's breeded speculation and confusion even among Republicans. The lack of critical testimony is why the House requested and received approval to form a Special Committee. That Committee will have more teeth to obtain that critical testimony. I'm anxiously waiting that testimony. There has been several Congressional investigations into Benghazi--nothing new was learned in the most recent. Republicans that sat on those committees found nothing that pointed toward wrong doing by the admin. And, the Pentagon has repeatedly said there was no stand down order. Yes, but it's that continuous lack of evidence ("nothing new was learned") that justified the Special Committee. Many American's have a healthy distrust of government like they did for Watergate. It took time and persistence to get to that underlying truth, but look how well that turned out (even though nobody died in Watergate.), The Pentagon is in the same reporting structure as the State Department. No matter how many times the Pentagon says there was no stand down order, people think "the fox is guarding the henhouse." The Special Committee needs to confirm. I saw a Fox special about CIA agents that were minutes away told to stand down. That needs to be confirmed. There is a person who said he saw fellow staffers "shredding" anything that could tie anybody to the Benghazi mess. That needs to be confirmed. New testimonies from people who wouldn't testify need to be heard. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton will testify.
Tompo Posted September 21, 2014 at 11:19 PM Posted September 21, 2014 at 11:19 PM Tompo, I understand what you are saying. But White House stonewalling has covered up answers to basic questions through testimony. That's breeded speculation and confusion even among Republicans. The lack of critical testimony is why the House requested and received approval to form a Special Committee. That Committee will have more teeth to obtain that critical testimony. I'm anxiously waiting that testimony. There has been several Congressional investigations into Benghazi--nothing new was learned in the most recent. Republicans that sat on those committees found nothing that pointed toward wrong doing by the admin. And, the Pentagon has repeatedly said there was no stand down order.Yes, but it's that continuous lack of evidence ("nothing new was learned") that justified the Special Committee. Many American's have a healthy distrust of government like they did for Watergate. It took time and persistence to get to that underlying truth, but look how well that turned out (even though nobody died in Watergate.), The Pentagon is in the same reporting structure as the State Department. No matter how many times the Pentagon says there was no stand down order, people think "the fox is guarding the henhouse." The Special Committee needs to confirm.I saw a Fox special about CIA agents that were minutes away told to stand down. That needs to be confirmed. There is a person who said he saw fellow staffers "shredding" anything that could tie anybody to the Benghazi mess. That needs to be confirmed. New testimonies from people who wouldn't testify need to be heard. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton will testify. Hillary Clinton HAS testified. That sounds like a paranoid conspiracy theorist--"since there is no evidence, that must mean something is being hidden". This has been investigated several times and nothing has been found even remotely illegal. The Pentagon has no reason to lie. If they were ordered to stand down, they'd say so. I think it's time for the conspiracy theorists in the republican party to remove the tinfoil from their heads.
Lou Posted September 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM Posted September 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM Whatever Tompo says is the gospel truth. Get used to it.
WtJen Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:22 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:22 AM I don't see a problem with Congress doing investigations 24/7 for the next two years. That is why they were elected. To serve as a check on the executive branch. I'm not sure why anyone wants to stop these investigations. After all, Obama promised us the most transparent administration ever. If he has nothing to hide, then he shouldn't worry about how many investigations occur. Not like he is paying for them.
anonymous too Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:30 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:30 AM This has been investigated several times and nothing has been found even remotely illegal. The Pentagon has no reason to lie. If they were ordered to stand down, they'd say so. I think it's time for the conspiracy theorists in the republican party to remove the tinfoil from their heads. There was a stand down order for the contractors who where in the building not being attacked. This is out of the mouths of the contractors themselves. The local contracted militia, can't think of their name, was called upon and never showed up. It's SOP unfortunately, but the local group had already not shown up for an different minor issue when called upon. Why would anyone believe they they would show up for something worse. Local groups have always been contracted to provide security at our embassies, unfortunately when things get rough they have usually don't show up as in this case.
WtJen Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:37 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:37 AM Did Obama personally order a stand down? Probably not. He wasn't even interested enough in what was going down in Libya to interrupt his fund raising trip. But at some level the CIA contractors were given an order by someone not to go and rescue the ambassador. They have stated this many times. They disobeyed that order and went anyway.
Lou Posted September 22, 2014 at 01:20 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 01:20 AM Did Obama personally order a stand down? Probably not. He wasn't even interested enough in what was going down in Libya to interrupt his fund raising trip. But at some level the CIA contractors were given an order by someone not to go and rescue the ambassador. They have stated this many times. They disobeyed that order and went anyway.But Tompo said that isn't true. ???
anonymous too Posted September 22, 2014 at 01:35 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 01:35 AM Did Obama personally order a stand down? Probably not. He wasn't even interested enough in what was going down in Libya to interrupt his fund raising trip. But at some level the CIA contractors were given an order by someone not to go and rescue the ambassador. They have stated this many times. They disobeyed that order and went anyway.The guys interviewed gave the name of the CIA station chief during the inteview. I didn't really pay attention to the name. He followed SOP unfortunately. They said they still had respect for the guy and what he ordered was correct to a point. Their problem was the CIA basically knew the local contracted militia wasn't showing up since they never did when asked previously. The whole situation is F'd up on so many levels it's sad.
Mr. Fife Posted September 22, 2014 at 03:52 AM Posted September 22, 2014 at 03:52 AM Did Obama personally order a stand down? Probably not. Does Obama even know what a stand down is? Probably not.
Tompo Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:04 PM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:04 PM Did Obama personally order a stand down? Probably not. He wasn't even interested enough in what was going down in Libya to interrupt his fund raising trip. But at some level the CIA contractors were given an order by someone not to go and rescue the ambassador. They have stated this many times. They disobeyed that order and went anyway.But Tompo said that isn't true. ??? It isn't true, because there's no evidence to back it up.
Tompo Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:07 PM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:07 PM I don't see a problem with Congress doing investigations 24/7 for the next two years. That is why they were elected. To serve as a check on the executive branch. I'm not sure why anyone wants to stop these investigations. After all, Obama promised us the most transparent administration ever. If he has nothing to hide, then he shouldn't worry about how many investigations occur. Not like he is paying for them. We've already investigated Benghazi more than we've ever investigated 9/11, Each and every Congressional investigation has turned up no new information. The Pentagon/joint chiefs, when testified, have all said, there was no stand down order.How much more time and how many more millions of dollars do you want to waste on investigating a non scandal? Don't we as a country have more pressing needs?
Tompo Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM Posted September 22, 2014 at 12:08 PM Whatever Tompo says is the gospel truth. Get used to it. Nope. It isn't me who is saying it. It's the republican led House committee. THEY said there was no wrong doing by the Obama admin. and no stand down order.
clenz Posted September 22, 2014 at 11:15 PM Posted September 22, 2014 at 11:15 PM I don't think they want us to know that Banghazi was a staging point for illegally arming the rebels. That's why they didn't want to send help in since it would expose the operation. Just my tinfoil hat contribution... Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk
Tompo Posted September 22, 2014 at 11:27 PM Posted September 22, 2014 at 11:27 PM I don't think they want us to know that Banghazi was a staging point for illegally arming the rebels. That's why they didn't want to send help in since it would expose the operation. Just my tinfoil hat contribution... Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk That part is true.
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