Pro2A Resolution impacting campaign today

[SirMatthew]

http://www.herald-review.com/news/local/article_806c5d3b-660a-5a2c-80c8-743a9b211eec.html

 

Partial quote of article:

 

DECATUR - Candidates for the 51st State Senate District took shots at one another over their records on gun rights Thursday, as Tim Dudley struck back at opponents who he said mischaracterized one of his votes on the Macon County Board in 2008.

 

"It's an outright lie," Dudley said. "He pointed to a nonbinding resolution I voted on on the county board, which had no practical effect. I joined other pro-gun members on the board voting against it."

 

The Decatur Democrat spoke at the Decatur Civic Center alongside Macon County Sheriff Thomas Schneider, former Sheriff Jerry Dawson and sheriffs from Shelby and Moultrie counties. He said he would sponsor or support concealed-carry legislation if elected.

 

"Illinois is only one of two states in the nation that doesn't allow concealed carry," Dudley said. "We must have a state policy to ensure that the constitutional rights of our friends and neighbors are defended."

 

Wisconsin is the other state that does not permit concealed-carry.

 

The news conference, which was attended by several of Dudley's supporters and some local Republicans, comes after Dudley's opponent, incumbent state Sen. Kyle McCarter, R-Lebanon, sent out a mailing to 20,000 constituents that mentioned Dudley's vote.

 

The February 2008 vote concerned a nonbinding resolution presented to the Macon County Board by a gun rights chat room on the Internet with no identified leader or members, according to board minutes. It resolved that the board would "oppose the enactment of any legislation that would infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms" The measure passed 10-9, with Dudley voting "nay."

 

Speaking Thursday, McCarter said Dudley did not defend the 2nd Amendment.

 

"Actions speak louder than words," McCarter said. "He voted against a resolution supporting the 2nd Amendment as a member of the Macon County board. It doesn't matter if it's binding or nonbinding."

[SirMatthew]

Just did some checking of our history. Macon County was the 68th county to turn green and did so on February 14, 2008, per post #1404 (page 47) of this thread: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5136&st=1380

 

A lot of credit for that goes to tplane37 who put a lot of work into that county, even attended the board meeting in support of the resolution. Others were involved as well and that effort is still paying off dividends even now. Thank you!

 

I think it's funny Dudley is now claiming other pro-gun board members voted "nay" along with him, but his was the only "nay" out of the ten. He's being called-out and he has nowhere to hide!! Now he claims to want a carry law in IL, but it's kind of hard to believe, isn't it? Just a campaign promise or does he really mean it?

 

Edited per correction as noted below: McCarter never had a chance to oppose or support SB1976 which would have allowed county sheriffs to issue carry permits.

 

I'm very happy people are at least talking about this as a major campaign issue. That is a very good sign when candidates are fighting over who is MORE pro-rights! Interesting times!

 

Two more related articles:

 

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=localnews&pnpID=469&NewsID=984948&CategoryID=7026&on=1

 

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=localnews&pnpID=469&NewsID=984950&CategoryID=7026&on=1

[Tvandermyde]

sir Mathew your wrong.

 

McCarter never voted on 1976.

 

it was killed in committee and McCarter doesn't sit on the committee. Your wrong and it needs to be corrected.

[SirMatthew]

sir Mathew your wrong.

 

McCarter never voted on 1976.

 

it was killed in committee and McCarter doesn't sit on the committee. Your wrong and it needs to be corrected.

 

Perhaps I misread the article, here is the quote:

 

Dudley is disappointed by the lack of support shown by state legislators like incumbent Kyle McCarter for efforts to allow county sheriffs to issue conceal carry permits. Senate Bill 1976, which couldn’t garner the support to make it out of a Senate committee, would allow permits to be issued to residents over 21 who do not have a criminal record, history of mental illness, or problems with drugs or alcohol.

 

In reading it again, how could McCarter have supported it if it never made it out of committee? If that be the case, Dudley is accusing McCarter of not supporting something that he was never given the opportunity to support, am I right?

[Molly B.]

 

Dudley is accusing McCarter of not supporting something that he was never given the opportunity to support, am I right?

You are right it never made it out of committee, wasn't voted on in committee and Sen. McCarter is not even on the committee!

[Tvandermyde]

dudley is trying to slime McCarter for not co-sponsoring the bill. We don't need all the co-sponsors we need a chance to get it to the floor for a vote.

 

the dems killed it off in committee. And Dudley is trying to blame McCarter for that. I call BS.

 

Now he finds religin on guns when it suits him. we are ging to need to step up for him in a big way.

[Molly B.]

Dudley voted against the Pro-2A Resolution thinking it didn't matter -

we know differently and now he does too!!

[tplane37]

Dudley voted against the Pro-2A Resolution thinking it didn't matter -

we know differently and now he does too!!

 

Hmmm, I disappear to Ohio two years ago, and my name comes up pertaining to election issues. Kinda makes a guy feel all tingly inside. Looks like I need to do a bit of research and maybe give the H&R in Decatur a buzz to fill them in on what happened at that meeting for the Pro2A Res. Not only was I there, I was the guy they were arguing with about its relevancy!

 

And I have another thought to dig in on. In Ohio, its called a "Declaratory Judgment or Decree." Basically, to make a long story short, if Illinois has a similar statute, people from each county can go to their County Courthouse and pray for a Declaratory Judgment stating the rights of the people pursuant to Heller and McDonald. And each Declaratory Judgment is appealable in the relevant Court of Appeals. After a Judge from each County has issued a judicial ruling from their County, everyone can jointly request the same from the Supreme Court of Illinois utilizing the Judgment from each County as attachments. If the Supreme Court rules against the 2A, take it to SCOTUS. Fight this thing with the Judicial Rights that are actually being recognized! (e.g. "Legislate from the bench.")

 

Then if these candidates really want to "show their support for the 2A," they can file briefs in favor of the folks requesting their rights pursuant to the 2A to be declared by the Court. And if the candidates lie in their briefs to the Court, and their actions after the election prove differently, they can be prosecuted for Perjury, which in Ohio is a 3rd degree felony. I'll dig around and see if I can find the Illinois Statute, if one exists, and post back.

 

Thanks Molly for getting a hold of me and filling me in on this issue.

 

EDIT: That was simple, Illinois' statute is nearly verbatim: Illinois: Action for Declaratory Judgment

[Molly B.]

We miss you TP!!

 

Did you ever think you'd see two candidates in IL arguing over who is the most

pro-Right to Carry?????

 

What a great thing to see!

[SirMatthew]

EDIT: That was simple, Illinois' statute is nearly verbatim: Illinois: Action for Declaratory Judgment

 

I bet it was a surprise to you tplane37! A pleasant one at that!