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[Blaster]

Pa application info

PA application


If you live in Illinois you can apply for a permit. They will issue you a permit even though your state does not issue permits. If you live in a state that does issue permits you must submit a copy of your permit. Follow directions on above link.

A Pennsylvania permit is $20.00 and it will get you about 16 states.

[crzydug]

Just printed out the application, anyone have one, how long did it take to get ot?  Any problems???

[moomba]

Hi guys and gals,
First post here even though I singed up as the 4th member I believe way back in April at the start of this site. Looks as though your numbers have grown and thats a good thing to see. As far as the PA permit  well I was one of the lucky ones from Missouri to get mine in just under the wire before the process was shut down to Mo. residents due to us now having CCW. Unless of course like many of us who live in the countys who think we are untrustworthy lawabidding citizens, as those of us in St. Louis and St. Louis County.

It took approximatlly 6 weeks to get mine after they recieved it, but also realize that they had hundreds maybe thousands of other Mo. applications comin in at once. So hopefully the process shouldnt be more than a 3-4 week period now . And the Sherif and his office couldnt be more pleasant and helpful, they were all very nice and great to talk to . If you had any questions all you had to do was call and they were more than willing to answer anything they could.
So now I wish you all the best in your quest for your rights to protect yourself and family and shoot well.

[junglebob]

I was curious about the 16 states the pennsylvania permit is legal in, are Kentucky, Indiana, Missouri, and Ohio included?
I think that Champaign County Rifle Associations,  got some useful information on their web site on how to  legally carry a handgun in a fanny pack,  under 6 seconds from safety.   Not as good as having carry legislation in Illinois, but better than pepper spray.  They are at www.gunssavelife.com    

Junglebob

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Licence tool

The above link will tell you which states the PA permit is good in. Just check the PA box and hit enter.

It looks like the PA permit is good in Kentucky,Indiania, Missouri, but nothing on Ohio.

I have a link to Guns Save Life ( Champaign County Rifle Association) on the home page.

[gunnmen01]

Ok im new here... but even if i have a ccw for Penn. i still cant legally carry if i am an illinois resident... correct? So whats the use of a Penn. ccw? Or am i missing something obvious............. otherwise im very interested ...



thanx... gunnmen01

[Blaster]

First welcome to the forum. You are right with a Pa. permit you cannot carry in Illinois but you can carry in other states that you may travel to. To find out which states a Pa. permit is good in go to Packing.org licence tool

Another reason to have an out of state permit is that you can argue that you are qualified to carry in other states but Illinois prevents you from exercising your 2nd Amendment right, and that as a law abiding citizen you should be able to do the same in your home state.

A Pa. permit will make you legal in 17 states.

[moomba]

gunnmen01, on Feb 3 2005, 09:15 PM, said:

Ok im new here... but even if i have a ccw for Penn. i still cant legally carry if i am an illinois resident... correct? So whats the use of a Penn. ccw? Or am i missing something obvious............. otherwise im very interested ...



thanx... gunnmen01

you cant carry in Il. But you can in states that honor the Pa. permit. Such as Ky., In. and any other that will recognize Pa.'s permit. You can find out what states will honor it on packin.org/pa

[cobcob]

Just for the record, I applied through the Center County Sherriffs Department on Monday, 01/24/05 and received it in the mail on Saturday, 01/29/05! Six days turn-around is pretty stinking good!!
Also, I'm going to use the PA permit to apply for my NH permit which has wider Reciprocity and also gets me Louisianna, North Dakota, Colorado, Mississippi, and Alabama.
The NH permit is also only $20, and is valid for 4 years. (http://www.packing.o...p/new hampshire) Packing.org info on NH
(http://webster.state...nts/dssp260.doc) NH permit application form

-=-Dave-=-

[45superman]

Wow, that is fast!  Maybe I'll get mine in the next day or two (I mailed it Monday, the 31st).  The Centre County Sheriff seems like a really good guy.  I had a couple of questions about the application, and both times, he answered my email immediately, and was very helpful, and his tone was as friendly as one could ask for.

[junglebob]

Congradulations cobcob.   I had no idea a PA permit would go thru so fast , it took me a lot longer to get replacement of a lost FOID card.   I may apply for one before I go on an out of state trip in March so I can carry in Indiana.     Something some folks might be interested in.   You mentioned getting a New Hampshire permit,  I think a Utah permit has similar coverage.    I came across an internet training course offered at safearms.com/Utah for $99  there's a final exam at a range or there is a provision for you to send a video of your proficiancy with a handgun.    There is a cost for the range use.    They have a package for $199 that includes the permit costs too according to their web site.
I did a little figuring.  There are 12 million people in Illinois if 1% would get PA carry permits it would total 120,000 permits.    That woud give PA almost 1/4 million in revenue.   It could give some good statistics if over a couple of years there are no crimes or very few by permit holders,  as has been the case in other carry states.   Even 1/10 % of the population would be a goodly number.   Illinois over-the-road truckers who don't know about it might be interested.
Is anyone in the group here an OTR trucker?

[junglebob]

P.S.  The math was wrong on my last post 120,000 permits issued would give PA 2 million 400 thousand in revenue.  12,000 would be almost 1/4 million.  
I read recently where Indiana has 300,000 carry permits,  one in 15 adults has one I understand.

[45superman]

Got mine today--yeah!  By the way, as of 01/27/2005, Illinois residents must now have a current FOID to be eligible for a PA CCW.  I know this because (genius that I am), I'd forgotten that my FOID had expired.  When I figured it out, I applied for a new FOID (about a week before I mailed in my PA CCW permit), but since FOIDs take so long   , it hadn't finished processing when my CCW application got to PA.  Therefore, the Centre County Sheriff (a good guy, by the way) returned my application, with a note explaining the new requirement.  When my FOID showed up about a week later, I included a photocopy of it with my CCW application when I sent that in (don't know if that's necessary--they didn't say--maybe they just make a phone call, but I'd include it anyway).  I imagine everybody here has a current FOID, but just keep that in mind.  By the way, once I met all the requirements, it took 8 days to get the License, including mail time both ways--not too shabby!

[SmershAgent]

I'm sending my paperwork to Pennsylvania this weekend. Seeing as how it's valid in KY, MO, and IN, this seems like a better deal for people in Illinois than getting the more popular out-of-state Florida permit. You can carry in a few more states with Florida's, but it's a lot more expenisve, you have to take a class, submit fingerprints, and they seem to take longer to get it back to you.

Reading the Pennsylvania requirements, though, I do find one thing interesting. The way I understand it, you have to submit a copy of your home state's permit with the application if your state has concealed carry. So does this mean there's no way to get a non-resident PA permit if you live somewhere like California or NY - where there are statutory provisions for concealed carry, but it's impossible to get a permit without serious political juice?

[45superman]

I hadn't thought of that, SmershAgent, good question.  Maybe that requirement is only for "Shall Issue" states, not "May Issue," but if so, they don't make it clear.

[SmershAgent]

junglebob, on Feb 4 2005, 07:44 PM, said:

I did a little figuring.  There are 12 million people in Illinois if 1% would get PA carry permits it would total 120,000 permits.    That woud give PA almost 1/4 million in revenue.   It could give some good statistics if over a couple of years there are no crimes or very few by permit holders,  as has been the case in other carry states.   Even 1/10 % of the population would be a goodly number.   Illinois over-the-road truckers who don't know about it might be interested.
Is anyone in the group here an OTR trucker?

That is an excellent point. You'd think given our state's financial problems, passing legislation that would enable citizens to protect themselves and generate revenue would be an obvious move...

[SmershAgent]

My Pennsylvania carry permit arrived today; the turnaround was something like 9 days.

UPDATE: According to Packing.org, as of March 2, Texas now has reciprocity with Pennsylvania. That makes a total of 18 states you can legally carry with a PA permit.

[45superman]

SmershAgent said:

UPDATE: According to Packing.org, as of March 2, Texas now has reciprocity with Pennsylvania. That makes a total of 18 states you can legally carry with a PA permit.

Cool--I have family in TX.

[mack69]

Got my PA permit this afternoon. Sent it in the mail February 22nd that makes 9 days. Ok..what's next guys?? mack....

[gunnmen01]

Got my Pa. permit back in 9 days... im kinda bummed though i was hoping for an actual id card... ill have to see if i can fold it in half and laminate it something.... but as far as  reciprocity with texas... thats f***in awesome, my bro lives in texasand i go down there for a week or so  about every year so that would kick a$$....

gunnmen01

[45superman]

I know what you mean about the form the license takes, an actual ID card kind of format would be preferrable--oh well, it's a small matter I guess.

[SmershAgent]

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I know what you mean about the form the license takes, an actual ID card kind of format would be preferrable--oh well, it's a small matter I guess.

That's one of the first things I noticed too (other than the really fast turnaround time). It's not too conducive to storing in one's wallet without folding it up. The NH permit, however, appears to be the same dimensions as a normal ID. I'm sending away for one of those now that I have PA. NH is good everywhere PA is with the exception of Texas, but you gain 4 or 5 other states in exchange. I guess just carry the NH one unless you're going to the Lone Star State.

[Blaster]

I took my permit to a printer and had the size reduced to credit card size then had it laminated.

[gunnmen01]

Thats one helluva an idea blaster... i just might have to do that.... somethings gotta give...


gunnmen01

[mack69]

My question would be is it still legal after you shrunk it? Curious....I too was not expecting the odd sized paper permit....mack

[junglebob]

I just sent off for a PA Permit on 3/4,  I'm going out of town week after next.  I'm hoping it comes thru in a week or so.    I'll be going thru Indiana,  where it is good for concealed or open carry.
I've been to the opencarry.org website where they show which are the open carry states.   Their motto is a right unexcercised is a right lost.   I got to thinking that they may have a good point.   Wisconsin has open carry,  but I lived there for 30 years and didn't notice that right being excercised.   I understand there are some local ordinances against it.  Now 46 other states have concealed carry but they don't.   It seems like if a lot of folks there open carried that it wouldn't be hard to get  CCW laws thru.   Also Minnesota had Vermont type carry laws until 1974 or '75 then went to may issue,  and just became shall issue a couple of years ago.   I will make it a point to mention I have a PA permit,  when I write to legislators,  and that I carry out of state.   Maybe if more of us took to "fanny pack"  transporting it would be a step in the right direction.   New folks on the forum may want to read the thread on fanny packs in the Gear Forum.    Blaster gives some warnings about it.    We've mentioned a couple of instances of folks being arrested while legally transporting firearms this way north of I80.   I realize that LEO's (Law Enforcement Officers) there are part of the government, but to quote Benjamin Franklin "When the government fears the people there is liberty: when the people fear the government there is tyranny",  seems like that's where we are afraid of the police, prosecuting attorneys, and the courts, even though the law is on our side.
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THEY THAT GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO PURCHASE A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFTEY, DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY OR SAFETY -- Benjamin Franklin

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Texas Governor Signs Reciprocity Agreements With SC & PA



Friday, March 04, 2005

Over the last week, Attorney General Greg Abbott ® negotiated, and Governor Rick Perry ® signed, Concealed Handgun License reciprocal agreements with South Carolina and Pennsylvania.

[junglebob]

A P.S. to my last post.    I got to thinking,  years ago gangsters had more gun rights in Illinois than we have today.    I've read about Charlie Birger,  local southern Illinois gangster.   He was arrested for moonshineing once spent a year in jail.   But after that I read he always carried two pistols and he carried a sub-machine gun.   He was arrested a couple times for shootings,  but it was ruled self defense.   They never arrested him for possessing a handgun or brought charges for that.   In Illinois you could have been a cop for years,  or been a marine involved with protecting the president,  but not be allowed to carry a loaded handgun.   Of course if you're an alderman,  that's different.   I think I'd like a brochure to hand out with the title IS YOUR LIFE = TO A CHICAGO ALDERMAN'S?.   Tell the folks of Illinois that if you are an alderman your life is worth more.    If you are a woman stalked by a rapist,  one who's been abused and has an order of protection,  the husband of a judge in Chicago who's received death threats(Michael F. Lefkow 3/1/05),  business owner who's just fired an employee who when leaving said "I'm going to kill you"  well you you all can call 911.  I think I'd mention the names of any Chicago alderman that are allowed to carry.   BTW who are the state reps and state senators for their areas.   Let's mention the rights of alderman vs. the rights of ordinary Illinois citizens when we write about  CCW legislation.

[45superman]

Excellent point, JungleBob.  Reminds me of another bill that's been assigned to the House Executive Committee (and yet another good one sponsored by Brandon Phelps).  HB0342 would revoke the elite status (with regard to carrying firearms) of aldermen, city councilmen, etc. of jurisdictions that prohibit handgun ownership by civilians.  Personally, I'd like to take it farther than that, and not grant CCW priveleges to any of these politicos, unless and until the rest of us have that right recognized, but this is a good first step.

EDITED TO ADD: By the way, there's a Senate companion bill to HB0342, it's SB2113.  It hasn't been assigned to committee yet.

[sergeant]

size of the pa-permit, did anyone find out if getting the permit reduced in size will make a difference if stopped? i guess you can also carry the original in your vehicle.