Ol'Coach Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:46 PM Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:46 PM This is interesting! Makes no mention of firearms, but read the entire bill! 96TH GENERAL ASSEMBLYState of Illinois2009 and 2010HB2507 Introduced , by Rep. Sandra M. Pihos SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED: 110 ILCS 1020/1 from Ch. 144, par. 1951 Amends the Private College Campus Police Act. With respect to the members of a campus police department having the powers of municipal peace officers and county sheriffs, provides that the powers are for the protection of students, employees, visitors and their property, and the property, branches, and interests of the college or university in the county where the college or university is located (instead of requiring that these powers be exercised only on college or university property); makes related changes. Also gives members of the campus police department the ability to regulate and control traffic on the public way contiguous to the college or university property. Provides that the uniforms, vehicles, and badges of the campus police department officers shall be distinctive from those of the local law enforcement agency where the main campus (instead of just campus) is located. HB2507 Sec. 1. The Board of Trustees of a private college or8 private university, may appoint persons to be members of a9 campus police department. The Board shall assign duties,10 including the enforcement of college or university11 regulations, and prescribe the oath of office. With respect to12 any such campus police department established for police13 protection, the members of such campus police department shall14 be persons who have successfully completed the Minimum15 Standards Basic Law Enforcement Training Course offered at a16 police training school established under the Illinois Police17 Training Act, as such Act may be now or hereafter amended. All18 members of such campus police departments must also19 successfully complete the Firearms Training for Peace Officers20 established under an Act in Relation To Firearms Training for21 Peace Officers, as such Act may be now or hereafter amended.22 Members of the campus police department shall have the powers23 of municipal peace officers and county sheriffs, including the HB2507 - 2 - LRB096 09090 NHT 19231 b 1 power to make arrests under the circumstances prescribed in2 Section 107-2 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963, as3 amended, for violations of state statutes or , municipal or4 county ordinances, including the ability to regulate and5 control traffic on the public way contiguous to the provided,6 however, that such powers may be exercised only on college or7 university property, for the protection of students,8 employees, visitors and their property, and the property9 branches, and interests of the college or university, in the10 county where the college or university is located of the11 college or university, unless otherwise authorized by a county12 or municipality. Campus police shall have no authority to serve13 civil process.14 Members of the campus police department at a private15 college or private university shall not be eligible to16 participate in any State, county or municipal retirement fund17 and shall not be reimbursed for training with state funds. the18 uniforms, vehicles, and badges of such officers shall be19 distinctive from those of the local law enforcement agency20 where the main campus is located.21 The Board of Trustees shall provide liability insurance22 coverage for each member of the campus police department23 without cost to the member, which insures the member against24 any liability which arises out of or in the course of the25 member's employment for no less than $250,000 of coverage,26 unless such indemnification is provided by a program of HB2507 - 3 - LRB096 09090 NHT 19231 b 1 self-insurance.2 For the purposes of this Section, "private college" or3 "private university" means: (1) any college or university which4 is not owned or controlled by the State or any political5 subdivision thereof, and (2) which provides a program of6 education in residence leading to a baccalaureate degree, or7 which provides a program of education in residence, for which8 the baccalaureate degree is a prerequisite, leading to an9 academic or professional degree, and (3) which is accredited by10 the North Central Association or other nationally recognized11 accrediting agency.
Chris Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:52 PM Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:52 PM Interesting, I believe something similar was proposed last session.
Ol'Coach Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:55 PM Author Posted February 20, 2009 at 04:55 PM 45Superman, I pm'd this to you, but your mailbox is full and it didn't go through.
Lou Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:09 PM Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:09 PM Coach, Is I understand it currently campus police officers go through the police academy and have full police powers. Some campuses however will not allow them to carry firearms on campus. I guess crime stops at the property line because it's a gun free zone. If I read this properly it would limit campus police to only having police powers on campus, not throughout the state as currently. I don't undertand the part about fireamrs training because it states they must go through the law enforcent course which includes the firearms training.
Ol'Coach Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:12 PM Author Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:12 PM This bill addresses private colleges, i.e., Northwestern, MacMurray, IL Weslyan, North Central, etc. but not state funded Universities, i.e., UI, NIU, WIU, EIU, SIU, ISU...or, at least, that's the way I read it. I believe state U depts are state funded...private school dept's would not be. Note that the bill reads nothing about funding. Question: would these "officers" be empowered to carry off duty, since they would undergo the same training as regular dept officers?
lockman Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:26 PM Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:26 PM This bill addresses private colleges, i.e., Northwestern, MacMurray, IL Weslyan, North Central, etc. but not state funded Universities, i.e., UI, NIU, WIU, EIU, SIU, ISU...or, at least, that's the way I read it. What this bill does is give private security guards full police powers within the boundaries of the college. Does this state really want to start giving full police powers to private security forces? If this passes any corporation can lobby for the same thing as the precedent will be set.
Ol'Coach Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:28 PM Author Posted February 20, 2009 at 05:28 PM This bill addresses private colleges, i.e., Northwestern, MacMurray, IL Weslyan, North Central, etc. but not state funded Universities, i.e., UI, NIU, WIU, EIU, SIU, ISU...or, at least, that's the way I read it. What this bill does is give private security guards full police powers within the boundaries of the college. Does this state really want to start giving full police powers to private security forces? If this passes any corporation can lobby for the same thing as the precedent will be set. Thank you, sir.
45superman Posted February 22, 2009 at 04:46 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 04:46 PM This bill addresses private colleges, i.e., Northwestern, MacMurray, IL Weslyan, North Central, etc. but not state funded Universities, i.e., UI, NIU, WIU, EIU, SIU, ISU...or, at least, that's the way I read it. What this bill does is give private security guards full police powers within the boundaries of the college. Does this state really want to start giving full police powers to private security forces? If this passes any corporation can lobby for the same thing as the precedent will be set. Thank you, sir. I posted it as a "Neutral" bill in the quick reference list. If anyone thinks it merits either opposition or support, I'll listen. Guess I had better clean up my in-box.
lockman Posted February 22, 2009 at 05:22 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 05:22 PM This bill addresses private colleges, i.e., Northwestern, MacMurray, IL Weslyan, North Central, etc. but not state funded Universities, i.e., UI, NIU, WIU, EIU, SIU, ISU...or, at least, that's the way I read it. What this bill does is give private security guards full police powers within the boundaries of the college. Does this state really want to start giving full police powers to private security forces? If this passes any corporation can lobby for the same thing as the precedent will be set. Thank you, sir. I posted it as a "Neutral" bill in the quick reference list. If anyone thinks it merits either opposition or support, I'll listen. Guess I had better clean up my in-box. Will private police be under a legal obligation to protect citizens, after all they will not have the sovereign immunity clauses to hide behind. I just think private security with full police powers is not a good idea, there is just to much room for abuse of power.
Silver Guardian Posted February 22, 2009 at 08:19 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 08:19 PM Will private police be under a legal obligation to protect citizens, after all they will not have the sovereign immunity clauses to hide behind. I just think private security with full police powers is not a good idea, there is just to much room for abuse of power. Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. As private citizens security forces can do whatever they want. Police have to worry about not crossing the line in violating constitutional rights. Last year I read a book called College Students Guide to the Law, and before getting into the meat of a chapter, the intro was "If you run into the cops, relax. All you need to do is cooperate and refuse all searches. Now private security, they are your worst nightmare. They don't have to worry about little things like the 4th amendment. When it gets to court it wont matter that they searched your possessions illegally. Overall it's better to be at a college with police than private security."
lockman Posted February 22, 2009 at 08:58 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 08:58 PM Will private police be under a legal obligation to protect citizens, after all they will not have the sovereign immunity clauses to hide behind. I just think private security with full police powers is not a good idea, there is just to much room for abuse of power. Funny, I was thinking the exact opposite. As private citizens security forces can do whatever they want. Police have to worry about not crossing the line in violating constitutional rights. Last year I read a book called College Students Guide to the Law, and before getting into the meat of a chapter, the intro was "If you run into the cops, relax. All you need to do is cooperate and refuse all searches. Now private security, they are your worst nightmare. They don't have to worry about little things like the 4th amendment. When it gets to court it wont matter that they searched your possessions illegally. Overall it's better to be at a college with police than private security." Not funny! You are correct in the way it is supposed to be, but LEO's that abuse their power generally are not punished in any significant way. The taxpayers pay the price. Until they are held accountable personally the bad apples will continue their pattern of abuse and the blue code (and unions) will protect them. I worked with a few of those bad apples over the years.
hotpig27 Posted February 22, 2009 at 09:49 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 09:49 PM Coach, I don't undertand the part about fireamrs training because it states they must go through the law enforcent course which includes the firearms training.It just means they have to have the same training as I did at the the same places by the same LE Instructors. It is a good minimum standard. I worked part time as Campus Security years ago. I liked not being burdened with the same rules that the local Police had to follow. I had a lot of freedom to bust peoples chops when they were out of line.
Silver Guardian Posted February 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM Posted February 22, 2009 at 10:32 PM Coach, I don't undertand the part about fireamrs training because it states they must go through the law enforcent course which includes the firearms training.It just means they have to have the same training as I did at the the same places by the same LE Instructors. It is a good minimum standard. I worked part time as Campus Security years ago. I liked not being burdened with the same rules that the local Police had to follow. I had a lot of freedom to bust peoples chops when they were out of line. Ding Ding Ding
JKooL Posted March 28, 2009 at 09:16 PM Posted March 28, 2009 at 09:16 PM Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but there is a ton of misinformation being spread in here and I need to correct it. The private college campus police act DOES NOT GIVE SECURITY GUARDS POLICE POWERS! I don't know where you guys get off thinking this. What the act does is allow a private university or college that doesn't collect public funds set up their own police department with trained officers that meet the same state requirements as municipal departments. However, private campus police have been restricted to exercising their police power on campus property only. HB2507 corrects this oversight by giving private college POLICE the same authority off campus as on campus. It doesn't make sense that a public roadway running through a private college would be a boundary for private college police. Private university police have the same off-duty carry as any other police officer. Thanks, and I hope this clarifies what the bill does. I urge everyone to support it, but since it passed the Illinois house unanimously, I'm sure it won't be necessary for us to get fired up on this bill. If anyone else has any law enforcement related questions I'd be happy to clear things up.
JKooL Posted March 29, 2009 at 02:40 AM Posted March 29, 2009 at 02:40 AM I worked part time as Campus Security years ago. I liked not being burdened with the same rules that the local Police had to follow. I had a lot of freedom to bust peoples chops when they were out of line. Private security have no authority to "bust peoples chops" in any way. A citizen, student, or anyone for that matter can just walk away from any security guard because they have no legal power to detain except under the case of a citizens arrest. Even in the case of a citizens arrest, private security need to be very careful because if the arrest is unlawful they could be liable for unlawful restraint. In short, private security only have the amount of authority that a citizen is willing to give them.
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