abolt243
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Been absent for a while, just lurking. Looks like time to get active again. Thanks to Mousegun6 for his two checks to supporting member and litigation. I'm in for $200. Molly, we should be closing in on $2500 by my count!!
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On 12/25/2022 at 5:40 PM, mousegun6 said:
I have had the same experience at Bass Pro. They are quick to make the sale but not so quick to release the gun. I think they and most FFLs are just being careful to follow the law and then some so they don't have any problems with the ISP. I figure it's good that they are being careful and an extra 24 hours gives me time to shop for a holster or extra mags. At least there are still a few local stores that actually sell firearms for those that desire to purchase them. I'm happy to wait an extra day and have the store available when I need something in the future. Patience is something that you need if you want to live in this state.
This is my first post. I have been reading the site for many years and joined because I am taking the concealed carry class next month. I am thankful for all of you 2nd Amendment defenders.
Merry Christmas
Mousegun6 - Welcome, your checks have been received. Thanks for the generous donation to supporting member as well as the litigation fund. I'll get them to the treasurer today!!
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On 12/28/2021 at 10:03 AM, cybermgk said:
Of course it is going to make some online sellers stop selling here. But even locally, it is going to be an impact. Go to Bass Pro Shop, want to buy some H-110. Before, you could check out at the front, quick check of FOID. Do you think that will continue? Just wait, you will only be ale to check out in the firearms area, as that will be the only place they will run the check.
I fully agree with what you’re saying, but have to ask. Why would they check your FOID to buy powder? Not required by state law that I know of.
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IIRC, the elimination of the expiration date from the card was portrayed as the FOID never expiring unless the holder became a “prohibited person”. Obviously that is not the case. It still expires, but now it will be harder to determine when that date is and to make sure that it is “renewed” upon gun purchases as promised. I too passed along the idea of the “digital card” information showing the expiration date. That will eliminate the agency’s responsibility to print new cards, but give us proof of validity when making purchases face to face and a screen shot to send to online ammo sellers. I thought that digital license info was acceptable to Illinois Conservation police in the case of hunting/fishing license but can’t find verifying statutes. Maybe one of you can verify/disprove that. I do know in MO, there is an app for that and digital hunting license are common.
As I’ve said privately, digital access with an expiration date might make this **** sandwich just palatable enough to endure until we can get the whole concept of FOID declared unconstitutional, which should be the goal of every 2A friendly organization with activity in Illinois.
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On 12/19/2021 at 1:51 PM, mikew said:
I could see myself holding onto a FOID card that still has an expiration date on it.
Or will the state come out and say that a FOID with a date on it is invalid?#4 - Looks like there will be an additional number for security. My guess is that this number will come into play when “checking validity”.
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I think some have tried. previously it was 30 days not its 60 days, you would have to wait to file suit till after the 60 day mark.
It is still 30 days for new FOIDs, They have 60 days for renewals and FOID remains active during that time.
Please read this!!!! Molly has posted this info twice, I've posted the renewal info once. Read the law and understand it!!!! Thank You!
(430 ILCS 65/5) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-5)
Sec. 5. Application and renewal.
(a) The Department of State Police shall either approve or deny all applications within 30 days from the date they are received, except as provided in subsection ( b. of this Section, and every applicant found qualified under Section 8 of this Act by the Department shall be entitled to a Firearm Owner's Identification Card upon the payment of a $10 fee. Any applicant who is an active duty member of the Armed Forces of the United States, a member of the Illinois National Guard, or a member of the Reserve Forces of the United States is exempt from the application fee. $6 of each fee derived from the issuance of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards, or renewals thereof, shall be deposited in the Wildlife and Fish Fund in the State Treasury; $1 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Services Fund and $3 of the fee shall be deposited in the State Police Firearm Services Fund.
( b. Renewal applications shall be approved or denied within 60 business days, provided the applicant submitted his or her renewal application prior to the expiration of his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card. If a renewal application has been submitted prior to the expiration date of the applicant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card shall remain valid while the Department processes the application, unless the person is subject to or becomes subject to revocation under this Act. The cost for a renewal application shall be $10 which shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund.
(Source: P.A. 100-906, eff. 1-1-19.)
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Yes, if you apply for renewal of your FOID prior to it's expiration date, and you are not subject to revocation. So, it remains valid, your FCCL is also valid. The law:
( b. Renewal applications shall be approved or denied within 60 business days, provided the applicant submitted his or her renewal application prior to the expiration of his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card. If a renewal application has been submitted prior to the expiration date of the applicant's Firearm Owner's Identification Card, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card shall remain valid while the Department processes the application, unless the person is subject to or becomes subject to revocation under this Act. The cost for a renewal application shall be $10 which shall be deposited into the State Police Firearm Services Fund.
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From the FAQ (but still does not address notary answer when application done online)I guess I would have no idea how a notary can notarize without his/her signature and see your signature and not use his or her notary seal. Are you sure you just don't apply online and follow up with the notarized verification?
. Minor Applicants
Can I apply for a FOID Card if I am not 21 years of age?
Yes, a minor can apply for a FOID card with a parent or legal guardian sponsor. The parent or legal guardian must be eligible for a FOID card. The parent or legal guardian must also sign an affidavit and attach it to the application. (At this time, if you were born after January 1, 2000, you must submit your application through the alternative call-in method via the Customer Service Call Center at 217-782-7980.)
And there's the answer to the question. Minors must apply via the alternative call-in method described above.
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Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
Read his opening post. The answer is yes, multiple.
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Just as a point of reference, I helped a co-worker apply for a FOID. Applied on 5/9, went active 5/26, two and a half weeks. Waiting now on the actual card in the mail. The Holiday will have some impact I'm sure.
AB
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Section 92 calls for a task force to be implemented by the Governor to determine the feasibility of having one card for both licenses. We're still waiting for that report from the task force.
AFAIK, we're still waiting on the task force members to be named. If someone can correct me, please do, I'll stand corrected and applaud!!
Okay, I'll bite.
That section was repealed in March 2014.
430 ILCS 66/92)
Sec. 92. (Repealed).
(Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13. Repealed internally, eff. 3-2-14.)
K, thanks. I need to update the version of 98-63 that I have in dropbox and access from my phone.
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I am confused. I got my CCL when they first came out and still have my old FOID card. The FOID was not replaced and I have bought guns since then with no problem. When did this take place and will they change my FOID?
When the FCCL was first implemented, the FCCL number was your FOID number preceded by the last two numbers of the year the FCCL was issued. I.E. my FOID was 12345678 so my FCCL# became 1412345678, (FCCL issued in 2014). The FOID card was NOT replaced. Then, at some point, the ISP decided they needed to produce and issue twice as many cards, so they began issuing new FOID cards when FCCL cards were issued. Both cards have the exact same number, still based on the pre-existing FOID # (if you had one).
As to d_tierne1's comments and suggestions, I agree. In fact, making the FOID the carry card with a special holographic sticker or some such designation was suggested at least as early as 2008. If you look at the current FCCL law, Section 92 calls for a task force to be implemented by the Governor to determine the feasibility of having one card for both licenses. We're still waiting for that report from the task force. AFAIK, we're still waiting on the task force members to be named. If someone can correct me, please do, I'll stand corrected and applaud!!
Of all the things that need to be improved about our FCCL law, a couple of low hanging fruit seem to be the above issue, moving to one card for both; and the issue of waiting periods for holders of the FCCL. Many folks (yours truly included) have stood, fully armed with multiple magazines on body, filled out the paperwork on a new firearm, and had to walk out and return 24 or 72 hours later to pick up said firearm. Explain the logic behind that!!
But, I can carry everyday, so that's a step up from 2013!!!
AB
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The worst part is, it's not a new problem and one that we thought was fixed. But now it pops up again. Not sure if the changes in policy are not getting passed along to all the staff or if something has changed again. Molly is on it so we'll have some answers soon. If the FFL is willing, she/he might run the NICS check using your new FOID or FCCL number to see if it goes through. If the FFL is willing, do a screen shot of the approved FOID and FCCL from the ISP website and take it to the FFL. Maybe they can run I that way.
Just a thought. You still wouldn't have the physical card and technically can't posses or carry without the cards. But would be interesting to see if the BG check goes through.
AB
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This was a situation that came up after the ISP decided to issue new FOID's along with the FCCL to make the numbers the same. Seems redundant to me, but it's their call. However, it was my understanding that the situation had been resolved. I've passed your thread along to Molly, we'll see what transpires. Thanks for reporting it.
AB
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Helped a friend apply. Application completed on 3/14, active status on 4/11.
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As for the picture, take a digital picture with whatever device you have handy. I've used phone, iPad and digital camera. Get that image to the device that you're using to make application and simply upload it when prompted in the application app. The actual card will have your wife's picture from her DL or State ID. The picture you send in is used strictly for matching her ID to the existing database.
AB
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Somebody missed a decimal point. He typed 179,202 FOIDS. That should be 1,792,220 FOIDS state wide. 76,414 FCCL's make it 4.26% of gun owners have FCCLs. About .59% of the general population. About 13.9% of Illinoisians have a FOID card. I wonder what the "eligible" population is? I.E. not prohibited from owning a firearm by Federal law??
How many felons do we have in the state??
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Good job and good idea to always have a back up FOID in the house. As I understand it, the "previous names" allows the ISP to do the background check for that last name too. So yes, include your wife's maiden name.
Slow and easy wins the day when working with a spouse or close friend that tends towards Anti-ism. If you can ever get her to a range with a .22 and a 100 rounds of ammo, many times that will turn the tide. Sell it as a safety lesson.
AB
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Someone needs to make an legalize-to-English translation of these.
I guess Post Offices are prohibited by #3? How are we supposed to know what’s controlled by the legislative or executive branch?
Post Offices are prohibited by rule #23, federal building. They will have the federal version of the GFZ sign posted somewhere inside. There are ongoing attempts to get this changed at the federal level, and some will argue that the federal law actually allows licensed carry inside. The actual law contains wording to the effect of an exception for those on "official business", or "lawful business" or something similar.
I looked it up. Says "lawful purposes". Still considered illegal to carry there.
T
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Check sent. Thanks for all your work.
trh53 - please see your private messages.
Thanks,
Tim
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Ming and Drylok.... Yes and yes.
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Whaaatt? 92 from Galesburg in Warren County? Galesburg is in Knox. Those numbers actually suggest that at the least 17% of Galesburg residents have a FOID. But I can't wrap my head around the whole 4 other counties thing...unless they count residents who moved from (or to) the different county (city) after their FOID was issued. which is still weird.
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Note that these applications are sent in by paper and are typed into the system. Updates are probably manual too. So if you move, it's conceivable that they fail to update the county, for instance. See also the earlier posts about the 2007 numbers.
What makes our 10 percent interesting is that we could pick the Democratic governor in the primary. I think Madigan sees that
Look at a map. Galesburg nearly sits on the county line. Those 92 probably do live in Warren county but have a Galesburg mailing address. You'll find instances of that throughout the database.
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It's 2007 data, sorted by zip codes. Sometimes is misleading as to actual physical location. The county numbers should be pretty close for our needs. You could do a new FOIA request and put together a new spreadsheet with up to date data. Then we'd know for sure. Ol' Coach that did this passed on a couple of years ago. That man was passionate about RTC in IL.
Tim
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Hey guys, on the FB page, looks like the cells need to be shifted down one row at Gabel to sync the names and addresses. Just those three rows down to Halbrook. Everything below Halbrook is good.
Thanks for this, and just in the nick of time!!
Tim
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Retired Lawman, if your initials are DB and your check was for $200, I received it last Friday!! I'll get it to the treasurer and the note to Valinda! Thanks so much for your support!!