Posts posted by speedbump
On 1/18/2023 at 9:52 AM, yurimodin said:
Get your ducks in a row, take your time, and do this right. Ppl are bit**ing and moaning like babies. It has been signed for barely a week WITH the MLK holiday on Monday. Ppl need to take a chill pill and let you guys do what you do well(THANK YOU Todd).
On 1/18/2023 at 10:50 AM, Odinson said:
DuPage board is not happy:
Retract or resign: County board members assail DuPage sheriff over weapons ban remarks (dailyherald.com)
Statists gotta State. The sheriff is a separate, elected public official designated as such in the Illinois constitution. Same for states attorneys.
On 1/17/2023 at 11:21 AM, steveTA84 said:
Canadian MSM picking this up now
Ironic, since they tend to ignore the sparks of nullification of unjust laws within their own borders:
On 1/16/2023 at 4:02 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said:
I beleive we are experiencing what our ancestors in the not-so-distant past (1986) experienced. The FOID Act was passed in 1968 and several years ago I had the opportunity to chat with a few old-timers about it. While "we wil not comply" wasn't their chant, they silently didn't comply. Cops silently didn't enforce. And now look at us.
Non-compliance is a short-term strategy. I'm not saying it's un-important, what I am saying is if the laws remain on the books the law shall eventually be enforced. I'd further like to point out that nullification dies with the elected official who proclaimed it. They're free to change their mind at any point in time and not required to make any political statements. If they are elected out of office, their replacement may have a difference of opinion.
All I am doing is pointing out that the fight isn't over.
It is an imperfect solution, but as Thomas Jefferson stated: "...nullification is the rightful remedy" when government at any level goes off the rails. Illinois is a classic example of how "voting harder" in states with a supermajority of the legislature who are opposed to fundamental rights. The only other option is compliance - and subjugation. There is a long tradition of nullification in the USA, best exemplified by northern states refusing to adhere to the Federal Fugitive Slave codes. Judges and juries in northern states dug in their heels, refused to convict their neighbors for assisting escaped slaves, denied writs returning them to slaveholders, and sent slave patrols packing. That was "duly enacted law" which was an abomination to fundamental human rights.
Two brief points from subject matter experts:
"One is has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." Rev Martin Luther King, Jr.
"An unjust law is itself a species of violence, arrest for its breach is more so." Ghandi
On 1/15/2023 at 8:37 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:
I think every police officer would do what they are told regardless of the constitution. Why? That government pension.
No, but it depends on the individual. "Discretion" is tougher in the era of body and dash cameras, but if you have a question about how yours will respond in your area - ASK one - and don't rely on what chiefs and higher ups regurgitate.
On 1/14/2023 at 10:25 PM, mab22 said:
I don’t think in our history and traditions did we ever require anyone pay for a LICENSE for ANY constitutional right.
AND NONE of this should misconstrued as COINCIDENCE, or poorly structured, or done by really stupid people.
They planned this very well, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Naperville AWB sale prohibition wasn’t planned out and timed just perfectly.
In light of Justice's Thomas' brilliant ruling in Bruen, SCOTUS should seriously review FOID and similar edicts as the 2a has been FINALLY deemed a "...first class right."
A reminder of the language of two US Supreme Court decisions is relevant.
1. Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105:
"No state shall convert a liberty into a license, and charge a fee therefore."
"If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignorethe license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity."
Additionally, Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr stated it perfectly in his "Letter From Birmingham Jail" (as we approach MLK Day tomorrow):
– Martin Luther King, Jr.
On 1/13/2023 at 4:50 AM, techgeek said:
I don't like what I am about to say. HOWEVER. With the 14th Amendment being now relevant to the keep and bare arms argument. SCOTUS needs to rule on magazine and gun bans. Can't have a guy on one side of a state line packing a dinosaur hunter while six blocks away a .22 is a weapon of war. ALL gun laws are now in the hands of SCOTUS.
"You seem ...to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions: a very dangerous doctrine indee[d] and one which would place us under the despotism of an Oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privileges of their corps. Their maxim is ‘boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem,’ and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective controul. The constitution has erected no such single tribunal knowing that, to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time & party it’s members would become despots."
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William Jarvis, 1820
On 1/13/2023 at 11:20 AM, Jeffrey said:
Love hearing her^^^
We met her at IGOLD around 2011 or 12 while waiting in line inside the capitol building. My daughters were young and complaining about being hungry. They'd already tapped our supply. Rhonda was close enough to overhear and walked over and offered a fresh bag of chips. You never get a second chance at a first impression.
She is awesome.
On 1/13/2023 at 11:22 AM, Jeffrey said:
Reading some threads on national forums as it all relates, a point was made regarding ISP jails. Does ISP have jails of their own or only holding cells where the suspect would be held until transfer to the county jail?
No jails. Some districts have temporary holding cells or interview rooms.
Rhonda Ezell weighs in:
On 1/13/2023 at 10:25 AM, mauserme said:
The County Sheriff is a constitutional office in Illinois. I doubt that a statute allowing for removal of a constitutionally elected Sheriff would survive a court challenge.
Same for States Attorneys. They are part of the Judicial Branch.
On 1/13/2023 at 10:13 AM, CPD#127 said:
I have been on night shift for the last 3 to 3.5 years. The city I work for isn’t insignificant, but also is not the biggest. We are under 8 miles from I57. In that time I have seen 3 ISP Troopers. One of those 3 lives in my city, one was requested at a traffic fatality, and the other finished an accident on the highway and needed something to drink. I know they are busy just elsewhere. We are all busy. The number of suicidal calls, psychological calls, domestic violence calls, Heroin and meth, and others is staggering. No one has time for what we had to deal with prior to this law’s passing.
I can’t publish it and I don’t want to publicize where I work, but we received a department wide email yesterday in line with the Sheriffs letters we have all been seeing. Strongly worded no confusion in the message.
Stay the Course. It matters. Now more than ever.
Correction on my earlier post: after checking, there are roughly 1,200 uniformed sworn in the ISP currently.
On 1/13/2023 at 9:31 AM, yurimodin said:
How many platoons of ISP will they have to send to make that showdown happen?????
They're so depleted in personnel they are detailing road troops from across the state to staff Chicago expressways. There are probably 1,000 or so statewide. A lot of those would be north of I-80. That leaves less than 10 per county of all ranks - on average - for @100 counties, 24/7/365.
On 1/12/2023 at 4:35 PM, JNG3 said:
This will likely be an unpopular opinion. So be it.
I have said for years, if the people stopped being ignorant and looked past their petty differences and realized what the politicians were actually doing to them........good Lord, look out.
If the straights, gays, Christians, atheists, democrats, republicans, abortionists, anti-abortionists, pro-vaxx, anti-vaxx, blahh, blahh, blahh, ever looked past their superficial differences and stood together against the ever increasing tyranny of both parties (more the dems than reps, but I digress) the politicians would be terrified of the populace.
But instead we heed our masters call and hate each other. We let Them divide us. When we are divided, we fall. If the NAAGA is worried about this gun ban, we should include them in our fight. Lest we all fall victim to tyranny.
Agreed. One thing was abundantly clear and documented in the masterful amicus brief in People v Brown by Zanotti and Umholtz is that the origins of gun control were almost exclusively based on race and gender until the early 20th century. It's worth looking up the case and reading just that part.
Lately, the push for harsh measures is based on controlling & disarming political opposition, which leads to genocide. 100,000,000+ humans were slaughtered in the 20th century alone for their political views by totalitarian regimes - and that number does not include those killed in war.
On 1/12/2023 at 2:07 PM, Tip said:
He’s been emboldened by his repeated “state of emergency” declarations.
IMO he is of the sincere belief that all he needs to do is declare something an “emergency” and he can dictate at will.
"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms:
Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.
A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."
*Declaration of Independence*
On 1/12/2023 at 8:11 AM, Tvandermyde said:
To be clear, I don't have a problem with Valinda. We have had our issues in the past. We have spent considerable time going over issues this year in working together.
It is a source of irritation that I'm on a moderated status here, but I still show up to help keep you all informed as I can.
We do have a disagreement about the performance(s) of a lawyer and his value.
Other than that, She has been more than helpful, we talk often as my typing skills are not that of a 13 year old girl texting. We are working towards a common goal of seeing this thing gutted in the Courts and a fully enumerated 2A enforce in Illinois. I maybe more offensive in my descriptions of how we should do it than the police and well mannered Valinda, but know that what separates us is less than 2% of the whole
I'll do another post on where I see things going and a bit of what split exists. While Illinois Carry may not be named in a suit, they are providing valuable support for our efforts and I appreciate that and thank them for it. Without it my end of this would be much harder.
And THAT is a huge plus. We will never be as well organized or funded as the hive-minded anti-rights crowd, but we do have powerful advantages: Natural rights, truth, and the Constitution being foremost.
On 1/12/2023 at 8:55 AM, RANDY said:
I am surprised Effingham hasn't responded yet
They will, probably later today,
On 1/12/2023 at 2:36 AM, CPD#127 said:
Its great to see all the Sheriff's Department and States Attorneys Offices state their opposition to this Bill/Act. I work nights so I didn't see this until I came in tonight. I know that there will be more as the days go on. I work in one of the counties listed as in opposition. in east central Illinois. This February I will have 21 years of full time Policing under my belt. I can assure you there are more municipal LE agencies and individual Officers in opposition to this than you think. I'm not just saying that. I know the Illinois FOP emailed an alert when this all started. Most Chiefs will not make statements, but I urge you to contact yours and have a chat.
My only fear is something that stemmed from the Illinois SAFE T Act passed in 2021. For those who don't know the Act made training requirements mandatory for every Officer in the state. Those are broken down for yearly, every three year, and every 5 year increments. I don't have access to the website, but my admin does. The website lists the individual Officers name and information. Once an accredited class is completed the ILETSB places a green check by that requirement. Example every year I have to watch a video on the Illinois Firearms Restraining Act. Red Flag law for Illinois. The video explains the Act and my responsibilities and when completed I get a certificate of completion. I then get a green check for that requirement. If at the end of the year, 3 years, or 5 years I didn't complete something I could be suspended.
The state wanted to create a license for Police Officers, Sheriffs Deputies, and State Patrol Officers. They argued a beautician needed a license why not a Police Officer. I don't necessarily have an issue with a license, but a license issued by the state could be revoked by the state similar to the FOID. I know there is a difference as there is no right to be a Police Officer. Hopefully you get the point I am trying to make.
Hang in there. Tough times are ahead for certain, but how people stand now is what matters. Your Oath matters. We anticipate an injunction to give everyone some breathing room, but the anti-rights extremists think they have momentum - as well as their supermajority.in the ILGA. ILETSB will likely be tapped by Pritzger to arm twist those in opposition (see separate post on that).
Meet the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board, who certify and DE-certify police officers in Illinois:
As you can see, with few exceptions their public statements and positions have been rabidly anti-2a, and anti-constitutional. Look for Gov Pritzger to leverage his influence over these folks in the coming weeks and months to attack his political opponents who are simply abiding by their oaths of office - which he himself is clearly incapable of doing.
On 1/11/2023 at 8:16 PM, crufflesmuth said:
The difference between a mandate or law being successful is how many people adhere to it. Constitutional
issues aside, the law merely is a consensus vote.
The police will have to decide, where the stand .. it's heartening to see Sheriff's standing up .. I hope
more stand up .. my opinion for police has been very lukewarm with recent events ...
At the end of it all, we're in great shape and the time
is now ..
Shannon Watt's is retiring from MDA - she is 52 years old - I take this fight between gun stores and Donald Harmon personally,
because white suburban women for too long have screamed and yelled, and like Chicago - gotten what they want..
Every time there is a mass shooting, our legislature - like these women, threatened good local businesses and individuals
with serious consequences..
As someone with a friend that just had DUI/Combo Drugs charges dropped, I guess I take this fight seriously because
what most fail to realize: you have to spend time and money, to prove you're right..
Support the organizations that are taking this fight..
We must remain strong..
I believe this law is unjust, not only because of the second amendment - but also because of the way the state
treated it's citizens during the worst of COVID-19..
Pritzker, Donald Harmon, Emmanuel Welch, these people live in luxury and safety. Regardless of what Pritzker
says, he will always be a liar: some zip codes are greater than others. There is a very bitter taste now, between
collar counties/cities and wealthy communities like Highland Park - and the news today reflects that..
..we can only remain strong if we remain defiantly disobedient and peaceful..
..I'm tired of having to drive a county over to spend less on gas and range ammo..I'm tired of worrying about local
ordinances..I'm glad they chose to fight us now and here..in the courts..
Now could not be a more perfect time for us all to unite and support these organizations to defend our rights. What
good is any firearm, if the next generation can't own it ?
Good stuff right there.
Hearing today in central Illinois
in Illinois Politics
Law school professors - and most judges - hhhhhhate the idea of nullification outside the realm of their pet institutions that are populated and controlled by their minions. Thomas Jefferson disagreed: "...a nullification is the rightful remedy" for blatantly unconstitutional acts.
I'll go with Jefferson's opinion over that twit on the proper course of action.