Guest Bob1950 Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:34 PM Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:34 PM http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion...ncommentary-hed Handgun bans' logic got shot full of holes Advertisement Dennis Byrne, a Chicago-area writer and consultant March 19, 2007 Our good and well-meaning friends in Chicago, Wilmette and other towns that have outlawed the possession of handguns, even in the sanctity and privacy of the home, might want to notice that the nation's second-highest court has tossed out a similar weapons ban. By overturning a Washington, D.C., handgun ban 10 days ago, the district's federal appeals court affirmed that bearing arms is an individual right, in existence even prior to the writing of the Constitution. The ruling puts the court at odds with 10 of the 11 other federal appeals courts, which have ruled that bearing arms is a just a collective right, meant only to ensure that the civilians who serve in state militias are armed. This doesn't mean that the D.C. decision applies here, but the conflicting rulings invite the intervention of the U.S. Supreme Court, where three sitting justices--Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia and David H. Souter--said in a 1998 dissent that "bearing arms" goes beyond a collective right in the context of a well-ordered militia. Combined with the votes of recent conservative appointees, the high court could sweep away draconian laws that don't even allow the possession of a handgun to protect yourself and your family in your home. Self-defense is hardly an esoteric legal question for Hale DeMar, a Wilmette resident who was fined $750 in 2003 after shooting a man who burglarized his home for two consecutive nights. DeMar's fine wasn't for defending himself but for possessing a handgun, meaning that he should have used a baseball bat, I guess. Or called out the militia. (The burglar, Morio Billings, recovered from his wounds and got a 7-year sentence. He got out after serving 2 1/2 years and was promptly arrested for burglary, in Wilmette.) The idea that you can't use arms to protect yourself in your own home would have stunned James Madison and the other authors of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, if the appeals court's reading of history is correct. The court's decision came in the case of a federal guard who was permitted to carry a gun at work but, upon application to the District of Columbia, was forbidden to keep one at home. The guard and other plaintiffs sued, claiming they had a right to possess "functional weapons" at home that would be readily accessible for self-defense. They weren't challenging laws against carrying a gun outside the home or other restrictions, such as handgun registration. The district argued that the wording of the 2nd Amendment ("A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed") does not "bestow any rights on individuals except, perhaps, when an individual serves in an organized militia such as today's National Guard," the court said in summarizing the case. This is called the "collective-right" model, often cited by gun-control advocates, as opposed to the individual-right model, often cited by right-to-arms advocates. Some collective-rights advocates go as far as arguing that the 2nd Amendment was written for the exclusive purpose of preserving state militias, and therefore individuals have no claim whatsoever on its protections. Some argue that there's no individual right because the "militia" of the late 1700s no longer exists; or that today's analogue, the National Guard, supplies its own weapons, or that today's weapons are different than flintlocks. To carry the logic of that last notion to its extreme, I supposed its proponents would argue that you can keep all the flintlocks you want at home. The court swept away this logic with a close examination of the history, concluding: "The pre-existing right to keep and bear arms was premised on the commonplace assumption that individuals would use them for these private purposes [hunting, self-defense] in addition to whatever militia service they would be obligated to perform for the state." Self-defense, the court said, meant resistance to either private lawlessness or the "depredations" of a tyrannical government, foreign or domestic. I'd add this to what the court said: Arguing that you have only a "collective" right to bear arms as part of a militia is as ludicrous as saying that the Bill of Rights protects your free speech rights only as a part of a larger group, such as the American Civil Liberties Union. Self-defense is a self-evident human right. Thankfully, a court finally has reaffirmed that the Constitution and common sense are in alignment on your right to defend yourself, using reasonable force (i.e. a handgun, but not a bazooka) within your own home. ---------- Dennis Byrne is a Chicago-area writer and consultant. http://dennisbyrne.blogspot.com
Lou Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:48 PM Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:48 PM I almost lost my breakfast this morning when I read the second pro-2A opinion piece in two days. Is the world coming to an end? Is the Libune all of a sudden learning what "the people" really means? Is the Tribune finally realizing that one of the reasons it's in the in the financial toilet is because of it's unpopular stances? Did someone from the paper see 1200 yellow shirted readers last Wednesday? I guess we can be happy that our side is finally getting the recognition it deserves. I think a positive comment on his blog is in order. Or send him an e-mail at: dennis@dennisbyrne.net
RichardM Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:54 PM Posted March 19, 2007 at 01:54 PM I think we should ask them to do an article on how it is easier for a woman to use a handgun for self defense than a big old shotgun. that would get the women of the chicagoland into it and more informed and aware that they cannot use a hnadgun even if they wanted to in Chicago and some areas
Pappy353 Posted March 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM Posted March 19, 2007 at 03:35 PM Yeah, surprised me too this morning. Read it twice to make sure I read it right the first time :bounce: Bought time too.
Federal Farmer Posted March 19, 2007 at 11:27 PM Posted March 19, 2007 at 11:27 PM I think we should ask them to do an article on how it is easier for a woman to use a handgun for self defense than a big old shotgun. that would get the women of the chicagoland into it and more informed and aware that they cannot use a hnadgun even if they wanted to in Chicago and some areasThat is exactly my wife's issue. I have a 12 gauge but she's not comfortable using it...since I am away every week, she's alone with no protection.
w84itw84it Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:10 AM Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:10 AM Okay I know I may take fire on this one but heck I'm used to it.Anyway I think that a shotgun is a better weapon for home defense, where as it is a little slower to react with, and that the weight is such that you have time to think about taking that shot and possibly a lesser chance of shooting a family member or a friend in the dead of night when you are not completely at your senses, but that's just my being insecure about how I may react perhaps you all are more comfortable with yourselves.
45superman Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:19 AM Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:19 AM There are good arguments for and against both. Certainly someone who is more comfortable with a shotgun would be better served with one--the last thing you want when things go to heck and you have to use a firearm, is doubt about your ability to handle that particular firearm.
Druid Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:37 AM Posted March 20, 2007 at 12:37 AM the weight is such that you have time to think about taking that shot and possibly a lesser chance of shooting a family member or a friend in the dead of night when you are not completely at your senses It all comes down to training. You will be most safe with a firearm you are trained to use. For many people, a handgun is much more comfortable and safe to use then a big shotgun. I don't agree that the weight of a firearm has anything to do with someone's decision to fire a gun in the middle of the night. The trigger of a handgun operates the same as a shotgun. If the weight of a firearm factors into someone's ability to safety defend their family’s life with it, then that person is probably not ready to handle a firearm to begin with. Again, it all comes down to training. With that said, if someone feels more secure and safe using a shotgun for home defense, more power to them.
GarandFan Posted March 20, 2007 at 01:19 AM Posted March 20, 2007 at 01:19 AM Dear Dennis: Thanks for your commonsense take on the recent DC handgun ban decision. The towns and counties with with the strictest gun regulation usually top the list in violent crimes. Those facts are difficult to reconcile. Maybe the high court will see this case within a year or two, maybe not. We shall see. Regardless, given that 48 states now allow some form of concealed carry, questions regarding this issue have turned from "how much will concealed carry laws increase crime" to "how much crime are they capable of preventing." That is a difficult pill for Chicago to swallow, but the pill gets more potent with each passing month, and year. Chicago officials would do well to revisit their thinking on this issue. At any rate, I was happy to see your story in the Tribune, and appreciate your take on the matter. Appreciatively, "GarandFan" HIS RESPONSE:Thanks for your nice message. I'm glad you enjoyed the letter, and that you agree. Maybe Chicago will choke on that pill.
gravyboy77 Posted March 20, 2007 at 01:00 PM Posted March 20, 2007 at 01:00 PM HIS RESPONSE:Thanks for your nice message. I'm glad you enjoyed the letter, and that you agree. Maybe Chicago will choke on that pill.Now thats a sweet response. :cheers:
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