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[Euler]

SAF and FPC are also named plaintiffs. The suit is filed in Federal District Court.

Complaint

... As explained herein, law-abiding citizens have a fundamental right to bear arms - including, specifically, operable modern handguns - for the "core" purpose of self-protection. The only way that a private citizen can exercise this right in New York City is by obtaining a license from the New York City Police Department. To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need. This standard acts to ban all typical and average law-abiding citizens from obtaining licenses as they, by definition, are not able to show special or heightened need. However, all people, not just those with special or heightened needs, have a fundamental right to bear arms by carrying handguns, away from their homes and in public, for the purpose of self-defense. ...

[chislinger]

Hopefully with ACB's confirmation these lawsuits finally get some traction.

[illinois_buckeye]

If Trump gets a second term, it would be nice to get nationwide carry.

[chislinger]

If Trump gets a second term, it would be nice to get nationwide carry.

Only way that happens is through the courts. You think Pelosi would even allow a vote on it? 

[illinois_buckeye]

Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.

[chislinger]

Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.

If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party.

[Flynn]

 

Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.

If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party.

 

 

Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff...

[Rangerdeepv]

 

 

Watching news the last couple of days they are saying pelosi might be out as speaker. Some democrats are calling for someone more moderate.

If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party.

 

 

Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff...

 

 

There are plenty of Blue Dolts to replace Pelosi...........when will the GOP wake up and put on the gloves and get nasty like their opposing party?

[JTHunter]

If Pelosi goes she'll be replaced with someone more radical. There are no moderates left in the Democratic Party.

 

Probably be replace by some unhinged dolt like Schiff...

First, I believe that Chislinger is correct.  Any "moderate" democrat is acting like too many republicans and keep a low profile.

As for Schiff being "unhinged", I disagree.  His "lunacy" is intentional, just like "Putrid" Pelosi.

[Ranger]

Just based upon the segment posted, that sounds like an excellent case to bring forward to the new SCOTUS.

[mab22]

SAF and FPC are also named plaintiffs. The suit is filed in Federal District Court.

Complaint

... As explained herein, law-abiding citizens have a fundamental right to bear arms - including, specifically, operable modern handguns - for the "core" purpose of self-protection. The only way that a private citizen can exercise this right in New York City is by obtaining a license from the New York City Police Department. To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need. This standard acts to ban all typical and average law-abiding citizens from obtaining licenses as they, by definition, are not able to show special or heightened need. However, all people, not just those with special or heightened needs, have a fundamental right to bear arms by carrying handguns, away from their homes and in public, for the purpose of self-defense. ...

 

Sadly, I don’t think most people can show special or heightened need unless something has already happened to you, or you actually have proof of someone threatening you. IMO it’s almost like having “classes” of citizens, those who made a good case to the police, those who have been victims but it wasn’t enough of a problem to warrant “permission”, and those that nothing has happened to yet. No equal protection IMO.

I hope they prevail.

[stockboyy]

classes” of citizens are NOT stated in the 2nd amendment !!

[press1280]

This is the 3rd wave of public carry cases (SAF has also filed in MD & NYC). Remember these were filed in every circuit court right after Heller/McDonald and again after Kavanaugh replaced Kennedy on SCOTUS.

Obviously now with ACB replacing RBG, the time could be no better than now.

 

The 2nd wave of cases took roughly a year from initial filing to reaching SCOTUS so I'd say a good chance of being heard and decided by June 2022.

[mab22]

Considering that people were suggesting to threaten Trump supports, voters, and members of his administration, and they went so far as to "compile a list", that should meet requirements, no?

"To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need."

 

Use those threats as proof you need a permit/license if your last name shows up on one of those lists in the states that have this requirement.

[JTHunter]

Considering that people were suggesting to threaten Trump supports, voters, and members of his administration, and they went so far as to "compile a list", that should meet requirements, no?

"To obtain this license, the person must (among other things) meet a highly restrictive "proper cause" standard that requires a showing of special or heightened need."

 

Use those threats as proof you need a permit/license if your last name shows up on one of those lists in the states that have this requirement.

Like Maryland.

Here is some info from another forum.

 

 

SAF, et al., Sues MD over Concealed Carry Process

On November 13, 2020, a group of plaintiffs, listed below, sued the Maryland Attorney General and Secretary of State Police for injunctive relief over the requirement for concealed carry "that they have a “good and substantial reason” to do so."

The full filing is Case 1:20-cv-03304-DKC Document 1 Filed 11/13/20, found on the saf.org web site (https://www.saf.org/...1-Complaint.pdf)

 

The filing identifies "Plaintiffs ERIC CALL, CHRISTOPHER MEHL, KYLE HARRISON, FIREARMS POLICY COALITION, INC. (“FPC”), SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION (“SAF”), MARYLAND SHALL ISSUE, INC. (“MSI”), and CITIZENS COMMITTEE FOR THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS (“CCRKBA”) (collectively, “Plaintiffs”)"

Edited by JTHunter, 17 November 2020 - 10:44 PM.