Lou Posted February 26, 2009 at 01:44 AM Posted February 26, 2009 at 01:44 AM Hearing Scheduled for Mar 03, 2009 Chairperson Brandon PhelpsVice-Chairperson Patrick VerschooreRepublican Spokesperson Jim SaciaScheduled Date: Mar 03, 2009 2:00PMLocation: Room 122B Capitol BuildingSpringfield, ILPosting Date: Feb 25, 2009 4:00PMSubject Matter: Clerk of the House Mark Mahoney Bill # Sponsor ABR - Short Description Last ActionHB173 Brandon W. Phelps CRIM CD-FIREARM TRANSPORT Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB674 David Reis WILDLIFE--DEER PERMITS--FAMILY Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB872 Jim Watson FISH-ASIAN CARP REDUCTION Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB985 Deborah Mell GEN ENGINEERED FOOD LABEL ACT Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB998 Raymond Poe VETERANS-CAMP AND HUNT FEES Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB1204 Jay C. Hoffman DEER PERMIT--DISABLED VETERANS Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB1295 John D. Cavaletto DNR--CONGRESS/DIR. SELECTION Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2251 JoAnn D. Osmond DNR-ALGONQUIN & STRATTON DAMS Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2257 Brandon W. Phelps CITIZEN'S SELF-DEFENSE ACT Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2294 Kay Hatcher WILDLIFE--COYOTE--TREE STAND Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2331 William B. Black VET MED PRACT-TEMP PERMITS Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2442 Dan Reitz SEED LAW-COOL WEATHER GRASSES Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2454 Elaine Nekritz OPEN LANDS-GRANTS-PAYMENT Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2533 Dan Reitz GRAIN CODE-ELECTRONIC Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2545 William B. Black FISH-BARTER/SELL-TAXIDERMISTS Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2546 William B. Black HUNTER INTERFERE-FISHERMEN Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation CommitteeHB2589 Brandon W. Phelps WILDLIFE-DEER-SEASON Assigned to Agriculture & Conservation Committee
flagtag Posted February 26, 2009 at 02:25 AM Posted February 26, 2009 at 02:25 AM Is that a glimmer of hope I see?!
papa Posted February 26, 2009 at 03:01 AM Posted February 26, 2009 at 03:01 AM LOL Glimmer???? Heck I'm almost as giddy as a school girl .
Drylok Posted February 26, 2009 at 03:56 AM Posted February 26, 2009 at 03:56 AM I've got a $100 wager with a LEO buddy on this so again GO PHELPS!
EnjoyLife Posted February 26, 2009 at 04:36 PM Posted February 26, 2009 at 04:36 PM I like the wording of this bill. Here hoping we actually get somewhere this time
Ol'Coach Posted February 26, 2009 at 08:18 PM Posted February 26, 2009 at 08:18 PM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day?
Chris Posted February 26, 2009 at 08:42 PM Posted February 26, 2009 at 08:42 PM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day? I'm thinking about making a trip.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:04 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:04 AM I don't quite know where to put this graphic as it applies to all three LTC bills. I'm placing it here as HB2257 appears to be the best of the three. Just for comparison I drew up the following:
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:12 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:12 AM I also noticed two of the sponsors of HB0367 are also sponsors on HB0245. If we could somehow manage to get all 16 sponsors added to all three LTC bills we'd be 25% of the way to the total number of sixty votes needed for passage. Still have a ways to go, but it would be a good way to start off.
abolt243 Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:16 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:16 AM I also noticed two of the sponsors of HB0367 are also sponsors on HB0245. If we could somehow manage to get all 16 sponsors added to all three LTC bills we'd be 25% of the way to the total number of sixty votes needed for passage. Still have a ways to go, but it would be a good way to start off. You forgot 462, and yes, when the time comes, we'll have to work on getting all sponsors on board one bill. Oh, and you'll need more than 60 votes if you're pre-empting Home Rule. Pre-emption requires 3/5 or 60%. 71 votes in the house, 35 in the Senate, same as needed to override a veto. AB
Chris Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:17 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:17 AM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day? I'm thinking about making a trip. I don't think I'm going to make this trip after all, I will be going though when MollyB says we need to.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:19 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:19 AM I also noticed two of the sponsors of HB0367 are also sponsors on HB0245. If we could somehow manage to get all 16 sponsors added to all three LTC bills we'd be 25% of the way to the total number of sixty votes needed for passage. Still have a ways to go, but it would be a good way to start off. You forgot 462, and yes, when the time comes, we'll have to work on getting all sponsors on board one bill. I had a feeling I was missing something but couldn't find it, thanks. I'll update this soon.
Buzzard Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:20 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:20 AM What are the Illinois Sheriffs Endorsements #1 through #4?
Buzzard Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:23 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:23 AM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day? I plan to be there the following day.
GNHNTN Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:26 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:26 AM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day? I'm thinking about making a trip. I don't think I'm going to make this trip after all, I will be going though when MollyB says we need to. I will be in Springfield for some testing after lunch. When I get out I may stop by and see where they're at on the list.
Chris Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:29 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:29 AM Anyone goin' to Springfield that day? I'm thinking about making a trip. I don't think I'm going to make this trip after all, I will be going though when MollyB says we need to. I will be in Springfield for some testing after lunch. When I get out I may stop by and see where they're at on the list. Great! It's about 3 hours each way for me, I will make the trip though as needed. Anyone else going?
abolt243 Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:33 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:33 AM What are the Illinois Sheriffs Endorsements #1 through #4? I wondered the same thing. The only one I know of is listed here
ilphil Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:34 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:34 AM I don't quite know where to put this graphic as it applies to all three LTC bills. I'm placing it here as HB2257 appears to be the best of the three. Just for comparison I drew up the following: One of the features I like about this bill is the alternatives it allows to cover the training requirement... Section 30. Training and education requirements. 7 (a) Each applicant must demonstrate safe handling and 8 proficiency with a firearm by any one of the following methods: 9 (1) Completion of a firearms safety or training course 10 or class available to the general public, which includes a 11 minimum of 8 hours of instruction on the safe use of 12 firearms, marksmanship principles, a live fire exercise of 13 at least 50 rounds, and the presentation of a DVD produced 14 by the Illinois Attorney General's office explaining 15 Illinois law regarding the lawful use of deadly force; or a 16 course instructed by a law enforcement agency, junior 17 college, college, private or public institution or 18 organization, or firearms training school, utilizing 19 instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, 20 the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board, or the 21 Department. 22 (2) Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety 23 or training course or class offered for security guards, 24 investigators, special deputies, or any division or 25 subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement. HB2257 - 6 - LRB096 06199 JDS 16281 b 1 (3) Presenting evidence to the Department of 2 equivalent experience with a firearm through participation 3 in organized shooting competition or military service. 4 (4) Presenting to the Department a valid license to 5 carry a firearm issued by another state. 6 (5) Presenting to the Department evidence of 7 certification as an instructor by the National Rifle 8 Association, the Law Enforcement Training Standards Board, 9 or the Department. #'s 3 & 4 would be especially helpful since I have to think most of us have a valid permit from some other state or have military service.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:40 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 02:40 AM What are the Illinois Sheriffs Endorsements #1 through #4? I wondered the same thing. The only one I know of is listed here Yes, that's where I got it. Leave it in or take it out? Any other categories you'd like to see (or not see)? Whereas, the general provisions of a conceal carry act in Illinois should include the following:1. Permits should be issued by a state agency to insure consistency in evaluation and screening.2. Individuals who receive a concealed carry permit should receive adequate training including basic knowledge of firearms, the proper handling of a firearm, live fire exercises for range qualification, instruction and testing on use of force as a citizen including the liability of that use.3. Applications should be processed by the Sheriff’s office including the ability of the Sheriff to articulate specified reasons why the permit should be denied and those objections should be considered by the state before issuing a permit.4. For the purpose of officer safety, a concealed carry permit should be an identifiable code, background or other means to show that an individual has been issued a permit to carry a concealed firearm on the person’s driver’s license, FOID card and state identification.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:16 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:16 AM I also noticed two of the sponsors of HB0367 are also sponsors on HB0245. If we could somehow manage to get all 16 sponsors added to all three LTC bills we'd be 25% of the way to the total number of sixty votes needed for passage. Still have a ways to go, but it would be a good way to start off. You forgot 462, and yes, when the time comes, we'll have to work on getting all sponsors on board one bill. I had a feeling I was missing something but couldn't find it, thanks. I'll update this soon. Updated version to add HB0462, plus a few more categories.
junglebob Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:16 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:16 AM I see that HB0367 and HB0245 both allow disclosure of LTC holders to the general public. If either passes just watch some reporter from a liberal newspaper print every LTC holder name and address in their locality. It has happened elsewhere expect it here to intimidate people into not applying for a LTC.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:20 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:20 AM I see that HB0367 and HB0245 both allow disclosure of LTC holders to the general public. If either passes just watch some reporter from a liberal newspaper print every LTC holder name and address in their locality. It has happened elsewhere expect it here to intimidate people into not applying for a LTC. I should clarify that, it's hard to do in a spreadsheet. If someone who is not a LEO wanted to fill out a form and pay a fee, they could learn if you have a permit or not. However, they would only get your name, no address or anything more.
Buzzard Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:26 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:26 AM I see that HB0367 and HB0245 both allow disclosure of LTC holders to the general public. If either passes just watch some reporter from a liberal newspaper print every LTC holder name and address in their locality. It has happened elsewhere expect it here to intimidate people into not applying for a LTC. The identity of permit holders should ONLY be available to Law Enforcement - PERIOD! Junglebob is correct. Public knowledge of permit holders is very bad policy.
SirMatthew Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:30 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:30 AM I see that HB0367 and HB0245 both allow disclosure of LTC holders to the general public. If either passes just watch some reporter from a liberal newspaper print every LTC holder name and address in their locality. It has happened elsewhere expect it here to intimidate people into not applying for a LTC. The identity of permit holders should ONLY be available to Law Enforcement - PERIOD! Junglebob is correct. Public knowledge of permit holders is very bad policy. I totally agree. Neighbors, ex-spouses, stalkers, burglars, and other non-LEO's have no business knowing if I'm a LTC permit holder or not. Their interest in knowing this information would not be constructive or in my best interest.
drdoom Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:42 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:42 AM Wait a minute guys, the text in 2257 says municipalities may opt out. Great! Anybody want to guess which COMMUNities will opt out? If anything, I expect one of these bills to pass (the one's that allow full-disclosure so Daley's Knights on 4-legged horses can come harass me). Just watch the Chicago bunch take this, run with it, and use it as a better systematic way of screwing gun-owners. Think of it, even if you have an Illinois LTC, and you carry in Daleyville, the Knights of Daley will arrest you for 'disorderly conduct'.
drdoom Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:55 AM Posted February 27, 2009 at 03:55 AM Just the fact that we got these three bills to be heard in committee is a big pay off, after all our years of labor. Cross your fingers, but bear in mind, what took us years to build, can burn up and vanish within the blink of an eye.
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