Yeti Posted January 14, 2020 at 07:38 PM Share Posted January 14, 2020 at 07:38 PM There are victories in legal cases by challenging the definition of the lower as the gun https://apnews.com/396bbedbf4963a28bda99e7793ee6366 DALLAS (AP) A subtle design feature of the AR-15 rifle has raised a technical legal question that is derailing cases against people who are charged with illegally buying and selling the guns parts or building the weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chislinger Posted January 14, 2020 at 08:46 PM Share Posted January 14, 2020 at 08:46 PM Careful waht you call a "victory", the "fix" will be horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted January 14, 2020 at 09:28 PM Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 at 09:28 PM Careful waht you call a "victory", the "fix" will be horrible.Good point and agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted January 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM Share Posted January 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM Instead of going through all of that and worrying about what constitutes a "firearm", can we just follow the Constitution and not infringe on the right?We can take the F out of ATF, so they are just the "AT". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted January 14, 2020 at 10:08 PM Share Posted January 14, 2020 at 10:08 PM Instead of going through all of that and worrying about what constitutes a "firearm", can we just follow the Constitution and not infringe on the right?We can take the F out of ATF, so they are just the "AT".Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be a CONVENIENCE STORE...not a G'ment Agency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 15, 2020 at 01:39 AM Share Posted January 15, 2020 at 01:39 AM Careful waht you call a "victory", the "fix" will be horrible. Already people worrying they will just require UPPERS be serialized instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted January 15, 2020 at 03:01 PM Share Posted January 15, 2020 at 03:01 PM My prediction is that both uppers and lowers will be controlled. Order a complete gun = one transfer. Order an upper and lower from PSA = two transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted January 15, 2020 at 08:44 PM Share Posted January 15, 2020 at 08:44 PM In the case of the SIG P320/M17, I believe the ATF doesn't even consider the frame to be the firearm, but the modular trigger unit is. The frame is just a plastic housing for the part that is actually regulated. FWIW, HK pistols (at least) have serialized barrels and slides, because apparently some member nations consider the barrel and/or slide to be the firearm. Ultimately every part of every firearm is replaceable, so which part is really the "gun" if you break it all into components? You have to pick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted January 15, 2020 at 09:30 PM Share Posted January 15, 2020 at 09:30 PM In the case of the SIG P320/M17, I believe the ATF doesn't even consider the frame to be the firearm, but the modular trigger unit is. The frame is just a plastic housing for the part that is actually regulated. Technically the trigger unit is the frame (the piece that the fire control parts actually mount to) and what would be the frame on most other handguns is just a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted January 15, 2020 at 09:43 PM Share Posted January 15, 2020 at 09:43 PM They could just start serializing gun owners.......Maybe something like a tattoo on the wrist. *Given the current state of affairs, I really couldn't decide to use purple or not* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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