mauserme Posted February 23, 2021 at 06:00 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 06:00 PM https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/23/biden-executive-order-gun-control-ghost-guns/ REPORT: Biden Considers Executive Order Regulating Homemade GunsJESSE STILLERCONTRIBUTOR February 23, 202111:23 AM ET The White House is considering several executive orders on gun control, including one that would strengthen regulations of the purchase of homemade or makeshift firearms. The Biden administration is considering an executive order that would require buyers of “ghost guns,” or firearms that have no serial numbers, to undergo background checks that would close an existing loophole in current laws, Politico reported on Monday. The White House has discussed the “Charleston loophole” in the last week with Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Politico reported. The loophole allows a firearm to be transferred from a licensed dealer before a background check is completed....An unnamed White House official told Politico the administration was looking at “every tool at our disposal, including executive actions” to achieve President Joe Biden’s promises on guns. The aide reportedly added that some measures included banning assault weapons and repealing manufacturer immunity from liability. Biden aides were initially reluctant to issue any executive order regarding the Charleston loophole due to the split Senate and indecisiveness on what policies to push, Politico reported. However, the White House is reportedly pushing other measures such as safety storage standards and red-flag laws, which restrict gun ownership if a person is deemed to be a danger to themselves or to others. It is not clear if these measures would be introduced in a bill or through other orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 23, 2021 at 07:29 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 07:29 PM It is not clear if these measures would be introduced in a bill or through other orders. The Supreme Court is going to eventually have to take a stand and put limits on EO's or else we will no longer be a Republic but instead a Dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 23, 2021 at 07:54 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 07:54 PM Agreed. EO's are supposed to make regulations based on existing law, they cannot be laws of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted February 23, 2021 at 09:39 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 09:39 PM are these ghost guns a huge market?are there like millions and millions out there?im just trying to get informed and understand why it is they are so focused on a ghost gun. are these the types of guns killing everyone in america these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted February 23, 2021 at 09:52 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 09:52 PM are these ghost guns a huge market?are there like millions and millions out there?im just trying to get informed and understand why it is they are so focused on a ghost gun. are these the types of guns killing everyone in america these days? If it saves just one life...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 23, 2021 at 10:44 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 10:44 PM are these ghost guns a huge market?are there like millions and millions out there? The fact they don't know and don't have 100% control over them is what offends them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted February 23, 2021 at 11:30 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 11:30 PM What is the “Charleston loophole”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted February 23, 2021 at 11:32 PM Share Posted February 23, 2021 at 11:32 PM Agreed. EO's are supposed to make regulations based on existing law, they cannot be laws of themselves. The biggest mistake the republicans are making is not challenging everyone of his EO's in court like the democrats did Trump. Get a judge to stay everyone of them. Right now they see that no one is challenging them so it will only embolden them to do more and more. It will continue until they are forced to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:08 AM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:08 AM What is the “Charleston loophole”? It's not a loophole its literally by design. It's the ability for an FFL to proceed with the sale after 3 days if the background check doesn't come back as denied. It's literally by design so that (like we currently see in Illinois) the 'authority' can't proxy ban firearm ownership by simply not doing the background checks and deny you your 2nd rights by indefinite delay. And is the case many times, this by design feature of the law even if 'patched' would not have prevented the Charleston murders. https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/what-is-the-charleston-loophole/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:19 AM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:19 AM What is the “Charleston loophole”? It's not a loophole its literally by design. It's the ability for an FFL to proceed with the sale after 3 days if the background check doesn't come back as denied. It's literally by design so that (like we currently see in Illinois) the 'authority' can't proxy ban firearm ownership by simply not doing the background checks and deny you your 2nd rights by indefinite delay. And is the case many times, this by design feature of the law even if 'patched' would not have prevented the Charleston murders. https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/what-is-the-charleston-loophole/ And remember, they want to implement the Chicago loophole. Where you could only own a gun if your registration was updated and then they stopped accepting new registrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:32 AM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:32 AM What is the “Charleston loophole”? It's not a loophole its literally by design. It's the ability for an FFL to proceed with the sale after 3 days if the background check doesn't come back as denied. It's literally by design so that (like we currently see in Illinois) the 'authority' can't proxy ban firearm ownership by simply not doing the background checks and deny you your 2nd rights by indefinite delay. And is the case many times, this by design feature of the law even if 'patched' would not have prevented the Charleston murders. https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/what-is-the-charleston-loophole/ And remember, they want to implement the Chicago loophole. Where you could only own a gun if your registration was updated and then they stopped accepting new registrations. Thanks, I thought that might be it but wasn't sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:33 AM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 01:33 AM The problem is the left go after "Z", knowing they can't get it. They want it but they can't get it. SO, the settle for "L" this time. Then they go after "Z" again knowing they can't get it, SO they settle for "N". Then they go after "Z"now again knowing they can't get it but settle for "P". One tiny step at a time but always headed toward their goal of "Z".Now they are branching out knowing that they can't get "Z" but they can help get there by going after ammo. Lead is a danger to the environment. Back ground checks- that they can delay as long as they can. Enforcing draconian storage requirements. Licenses, red flag laws, etc etc etcWhile our side pats themselves on the back for giving them "P" when the left really wanted "Z". Instead they ought to be pushing it back to "L" with the goal of "A". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 24, 2021 at 03:30 AM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 03:30 AM The problem is the left go after "Z", knowing they can't get it. They want it but they can't get it. SO, the settle for "L" this time. Then they go after "Z" again knowing they can't get it, SO they settle for "N". Then they go after "Z"now again knowing they can't get it but settle for "P". One tiny step at a time but always headed toward their goal of "Z". Now they are branching out knowing that they can't get "Z" but they can help get there by going after ammo. Lead is a danger to the environment. Back ground checks- that they can delay as long as they can. Enforcing draconian storage requirements. Licenses, red flag laws, etc etc etc While our side pats themselves on the back for giving them "P" when the left really wanted "Z". Instead they ought to be pushing it back to "L" with the goal of "A". The left use incrementalism very effectively, that's why we creep very slowly toward totalitarianism. The right on the other hand, don't know what that incrementalism is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted February 24, 2021 at 03:04 PM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 03:04 PM The problem is the left go after "Z", knowing they can't get it. They want it but they can't get it. SO, the settle for "L" this time. Then they go after "Z" again knowing they can't get it, SO they settle for "N". Then they go after "Z"now again knowing they can't get it but settle for "P". One tiny step at a time but always headed toward their goal of "Z". Now they are branching out knowing that they can't get "Z" but they can help get there by going after ammo. Lead is a danger to the environment. Back ground checks- that they can delay as long as they can. Enforcing draconian storage requirements. Licenses, red flag laws, etc etc etc While our side pats themselves on the back for giving them "P" when the left really wanted "Z". Instead they ought to be pushing it back to "L" with the goal of "A". The left use incrementalism very effectively, that's why we creep very slowly toward totalitarianism. The right on the other hand, don't know what that incrementalism is. Honestly I think its because most politicians on the right want "Z" also, they just have to make it look like they don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted February 24, 2021 at 08:38 PM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 08:38 PM Honestly I think its because most politicians on the right want "Z" also, they just have to make it look like they don't Which is why I see the left and right in bed together lots of times, basically [bLANKING] each other furiously. I don't see much difference between the left and the right - once they're in power, it is the same old song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Liberty Posted February 24, 2021 at 10:19 PM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 10:19 PM What is the “Charleston loophole”? Loophole (n): Any provision (of any law) that liberals dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted February 24, 2021 at 11:50 PM Share Posted February 24, 2021 at 11:50 PM The problem is the left go after "Z", knowing they can't get it. They want it but they can't get it. SO, the settle for "L" this time. Then they go after "Z" again knowing they can't get it, SO they settle for "N". Then they go after "Z"now again knowing they can't get it but settle for "P". One tiny step at a time but always headed toward their goal of "Z". Now they are branching out knowing that they can't get "Z" but they can help get there by going after ammo. Lead is a danger to the environment. Back ground checks- that they can delay as long as they can. Enforcing draconian storage requirements. Licenses, red flag laws, etc etc etc While our side pats themselves on the back for giving them "P" when the left really wanted "Z". Instead they ought to be pushing it back to "L" with the goal of "A". The left use incrementalism very effectively, that's why we creep very slowly toward totalitarianism. The right on the other hand, don't know what that incrementalism is. Honestly I think its because most politicians on the right want "Z" also, they just have to make it look like they don't Most "politicians" want power and control. They want to be able to tell you what to do, how to do it, when to do it, and what not to do. They can't do that when you have the means to enforce your "I ain't gonna". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 25, 2021 at 04:55 PM Share Posted February 25, 2021 at 04:55 PM What is the “Charleston loophole”? Loophole (n): Any provision (of any law) that liberals dislike. Is their ANY FFL on this site that will transfer a firearm after no response for 3 days (that still has their license). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumgod Posted February 25, 2021 at 05:16 PM Share Posted February 25, 2021 at 05:16 PM What is the “Charleston loophole”? Loophole (n): Any provision (of any law) that liberals dislike. Is their ANY FFL on this site that will transfer a firearm after no response for 3 days (that still has their license). I was under the impression that IL law specifically prevented this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ddiver Posted February 25, 2021 at 07:19 PM Share Posted February 25, 2021 at 07:19 PM A dealer in Illinois must have an approval from FTIP before they can transfer a firearm. Could be instant, could be 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterestedBystander Posted February 25, 2021 at 08:18 PM Share Posted February 25, 2021 at 08:18 PM A dealer in Illinois must have an approval from FTIP before they can transfer a firearm. Could be instant, could be 3 weeks.Some do not agree with the ISP position but it is on their FAQ Q. What happens if a customer orders a firearm, and when he or she comes in to pick it up, ISP issues something other than an approval on the FTIP? A. The actual transfer of the firearm cannot take place until there is an approval from the FTIP system, regardless of when the agreement was reached. If the FFL receives a transaction number, they cannot complete the transfer until they receive an approval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted February 26, 2021 at 10:48 PM Share Posted February 26, 2021 at 10:48 PM It took until my wife got her foid and decided she wanted it or the other way around. 3 checks zero responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted February 27, 2021 at 02:52 AM Share Posted February 27, 2021 at 02:52 AM An EO is not law. Just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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