illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:23 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:23 PM https://www.kmov.com/news/supreme-court-to-take-up-case-over-right-to-carry-gun-for-self-defense/article_8c289f96-c320-5b1f-9a8e-a5c4c5d0b3e1.html?block_id=990844 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRApistol Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:29 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:29 PM From the Washington Post "The Supreme Court announced Monday it will hear a major new gun control case next term, accepting a National Rifle Association-backed challenge that asks the court to declare there is a constitutional right to carry a weapon outside the home." link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:39 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:39 PM Would love to see all permits be made unconstitutional but don’t see that happening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:48 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:48 PM Like most of us, I’ve been disappointed by the extent to which the Court has sidestepped 2A cases post-McDonald. But I’ve always had a feeling that when they finally took one, it would be gigantic. This one is beyond gigantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:48 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:48 PM The Supreme Court announced Monday that it will hear a major gun rights case over whether ordinary citizens can be legally prohibited from carrying concealed handguns for self-defense outside their homes. The case, brought by the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, challenges a New York law that prohibits citizens from carrying a gun outside their home without a license that the state makes difficult to obtain. Supreme Court to hear major gun rights appeal over carrying concealed handguns in public | Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:53 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:53 PM It is about time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:56 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:56 PM Btw, even though I made the comment regarding permits above, not to say that training is not important. In my opinion, if you are going to carry, it's definitely a good idea to get some training or at the very least spend a few hours at the range so you know how to shoot accurately and how your firearm works. I wish that Illinois weren't so annoying in regards to getting a ccw as far as cost, wait etc. My parents in Ohio got their ccw a while back and it only took I think a week and picking it up from the county sheriff. As far as the case though, if they would rule favorably, then I guess we need them to look at magazine bans as to if they feel those are legal. I know how everyone here feels, but you know it's something that will be coming up considering congress these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:06 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:06 PM Pretty much the one case they had to take because there has been a circuit split for over 3 years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:14 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:14 PM Ah, that makes sense, and if you have conservative majority before any action to try to expand the court, go ahead and take the case maybe? Hopefully it goes favorably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:38 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:38 PM IllinoisCarry.com → Right to Carry → Judicial Second Amendment Case Discussion → NYSRPA v Corlett (CCW may issue challenge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:47 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 03:47 PM Not ... trusting ... Roberts & Barrett (and maybe Cavenaugh & Gorsuch) on this one! They won't hold that there is a constitutional right to carry outside the home. I predict a narrower ruling on the basis of a "right to apply for a CCL" and a violation of that right by the state by putting up unreasonable hurdles to citizens who apply. In other words, a right to carry outside the home subject to regulation by the states, to include licensure, limitations for "public safety," etc. I wanna believe that they'll interpret the 2A as written and declare it a Constitutional right to carry outside the home, but I think that based on their inaction over the election cases and the current climate, Roberts and Barrett will cave and go with the lefties, or force the real strict constructionists to join them in a watered-down holding per the above. Please God, let me wrong and of little faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:16 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:16 PM With any luck, those in NYC will get what Chicaoans enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunuser17 Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:25 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:25 PM Let's face reality. The Supreme Court narrowed the question enough that they can decide only whether the plaintiffs rights were violated. Such a decision can give them relief without necessarily ruling on any particular scheme to regulate carry. If that is what happens, the ruling could have little or no impact on everyone else regardless of where you live. Only time will tell now. More importantly, will the state grant the plaintiffs the requested permits and moot the case once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:33 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:33 PM Not ... trusting ... Roberts & Barrett (and maybe Cavenaugh & Gorsuch) on this one! They won't hold that there is a constitutional right to carry outside the home. I predict a narrower ruling on the basis of a "right to apply for a CCL" and a violation of that right by the state by putting up unreasonable hurdles to citizens who apply. In other words, a right to carry outside the home subject to regulation by the states, to include licensure, limitations for "public safety," etc. I wanna believe that they'll interpret the 2A as written and declare it a Constitutional right to carry outside the home, but I think that based on their inaction over the election cases and the current climate, Roberts and Barrett will cave and go with the lefties, or force the real strict constructionists to join them in a watered-down holding per the above. Please God, let me wrong and of little faith!So basically what Heller did for handgun ownership. That would still be huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted April 26, 2021 at 05:08 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 05:08 PM Let's see how fast the court gets packed now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 26, 2021 at 05:54 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 05:54 PM I'm not getting my hopes up.But then again, Heller and McDonald happened during the last Marxist administration.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:06 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:06 PM The case isn't about the right to carr, per sey. It specifically goes after the question, whether NY's denial of permits because they have a 'proper cause' requirement violates the Constitution. I.E. NY says you can't have a CC license unless you show a proper need for it. GRANTED, if decided favorably for us, against NY, it can have a large impact on "May Issue" states, to some degree, from a little to a lot, depending on the State, their current laws and the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:18 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:18 PM https://youtu.be/xzbaec64tBA http://youtu.be/xzbaec64tBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangerdeepv Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:24 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:24 PM This is going to be interesting and probably have a huge effect either way. It is a real sad day when the highest court in the land is afraid of making a sound decision based on becoming 'packed'. I truly believe Manchin and Sinema are not the only Senators who are against packing any court. The left will have the advantage for a year until the tide turns rolls back out and takes many of their lefty heroes with it. But this case should only be the beginning of a 2A avalanche hopefully in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:44 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 06:44 PM Speaking of Manchin, I think I saw where he said he wanted a more targeted infrastructure package. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springfield shooter Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:13 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:13 PM This is going to be interesting and probably have a huge effect either way. It is a real sad day when the highest court in the land is afraid of making a sound decision based on becoming 'packed'. I truly believe Manchin and Sinema are not the only Senators who are against packing any court. The left will have the advantage for a year until the tide turns rolls back out and takes many of their lefty heroes with it. But this case should only be the beginning of a 2A avalanche hopefully in our favor. Says here there are more than Manchin and Sinema that are cool to the idea of court packing. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/04/23/abandon-ship-dems-going-wobbly-on-normsshattering-courtpacking-scheme-n2588428 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:34 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:34 PM As I noted in another post, this is likely to be narrow. A law blog I follow explains in some detail how the Court has already narrowed the issue considerably just by the way they frame the question. The article I'm going to link to below describes in discouraging legal detail how this may not result in the nice crisp decision we all hope for, and notes in passing this may be the last chance we have with a nine person SC. https://reason.com/volokh/2021/04/26/making-sense-of-the-limited-cert-grant-in-nys-rifle-pistol-association-v-corlett/ FWIW. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:58 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 07:58 PM This is about New York specifically. I don’t think we are going to get open season carry, national reciprocity or anything that will help us with the FOID fiasco. They’re gonna tip toe through this one. If it was 6-3 left wing nuts on the court we’d never have gotten the two big wins a while ago. We’d be dealing with a right of the militia to bare arms because liberals are not scared their beliefs might upset millions. Conservatives have feet of clay on many issues, we see it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 08:50 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 08:50 PM The news about Senators not being on board with court packing is good. Also, this is out today. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-gain-house-seats-new-york-california-losers Keep in mind, the democrats only control the house by what about 7-8 seats? If the elections are anywhere near fair in 22, things could be looking up. Regardless if Republicans were to get the Senate, even if they got the house, they could Hamstring Biden/Harris. The only thing would be is whether or not people moving out of democratic states would leave their politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 26, 2021 at 09:25 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 09:25 PM Keep in mind, the democrats only control the house by what about 7-8 seats? If the elections are anywhere near fair in 22, things could be looking up. Regardless if Republicans were to get the Senate, even if they got the house, they could Hamstring Biden/Harris. The only thing would be is whether or not people moving out of democratic states would leave their politics. I believe the Democrats will lose the House and Senate in 22 and put an end to Biden/Harris goals at least in regards to legislative moves, the puppet will probably continue signing whatever EOs are put in front of him until his last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:05 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:05 PM The news about Senators not being on board with court packing is good. Also, this is out today. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-gain-house-seats-new-york-california-losers Keep in mind, the democrats only control the house by what about 7-8 seats? If the elections are anywhere near fair in 22, things could be looking up. Regardless if Republicans were to get the Senate, even if they got the house, they could Hamstring Biden/Harris. The only thing would be is whether or not people moving out of democratic states would leave their politics. I have seen nothing that would make me believe that the cheaters and fraudsters have been arrested and put out of service! I expect them to double down on the cheating to try to keep their power and increase it. I sure hope and pray that I am right. As far as the supreme court goes, it is a complete toss up what they will do! They appear to be running scared of the the liberals threats and might try to appease them. (which we all know you can not do). Will be interesting to see how it goes. If it goes our way, I expect a very narrow ruling that does not cover very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 26, 2021 at 11:20 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 11:20 PM As far as the supreme court goes If Hillary had won we would not even have to speculate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinois_buckeye Posted April 26, 2021 at 11:38 PM Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 11:38 PM Well you see right now Arizona is doing a forensic audit of the election. I think I heard New Hampshire was going to do a similar move. As a what if, what if these 2 areas complete the audits and find that the elections were very...inaccurate. One could speculate that other states may begin checking and take steps to reform their elections going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 27, 2021 at 02:54 AM Share Posted April 27, 2021 at 02:54 AM If the elections are anywhere near fair in 22 You DO have a sense of humor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 27, 2021 at 02:54 AM Share Posted April 27, 2021 at 02:54 AM Well you see right now Arizona is doing a forensic audit of the election. I wouldn't get my hopes up. This is just Kabuki theater done by our local RINObpulicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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