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#1 icm2014

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 03:18 AM

More than twice as many Americans have guns and do shooting sports than have golf clubs and putt on a green.

You wouldn’t know that if you are the coastal elite. But the president of Winchester Ammunition, Brett Flaugher, who lives and works in Illinois, says these recreational  shooters are driving the historic ammo shortage in America.

“I've never taken anyone shooting for the first time who didn't enjoy it,” Flaugher told me in an interview.  “I see it every day out there - the increase in recreational shooting. A lot of people were introduced to shooting sports during the pandemic. It started with wanting to go outside, and now it’s sheer numbers from the positive experience.” Winchester, which is owned by the Olin Corporation, has manufacturing plants in Illinois, Missouri and Mississippi.

Demand for ammunition rose with the pandemic for people who wanted a safe, outdoor activity, but then stayed at record levels. Flaugher said there are a whopping 52 million people in the U.S. who participate in shooting sports. Flaugher said demand for ammo has more than doubled in the past year and a half. In particular, gun club recreational shooting is “off the charts right now.”

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For those of you not familiar with ammunition, I learned about it when I visited Winchester in 2012 with other female journalists. This is what in my book, Emily Gets Her Gun (page 67) about the three types of ammo:

Rimfire, the oldest style, has a one-piece casing of metal that goes around the whole shell, encasing the bullet, gunpowder, and primer.

The second style is a shotgun shell—a shell case, which is a complex mix of plastic and metal, plus either a slug or a lot of small pellets.

The third type of ammunition is the modern kind called centerfire. It is the highest-powered and most commonly used for personal defense. The brass or steel casing of the cartridge holds the gunpowder. At the base of the case is the primer that, when struck by the gun’s firing pin, ignites the powder charge. The bullet, the projectile that leaves the gun and hits the target, which is normally made of lead, is surrounded by a jacket of copper or copper plate.

The reason for the ammo shortage is that all the inventory was depleted in the first three months of the pandemic, Flaugher explained.  The stock of ammo in the warehouses, wholesalers and retail shelves sold fast. The manufacturers can’t build it back up because people are buying whatever they can find. 

“I'm highly disappointed we can't offer every consumer a good experience in buying ammunition. It’s not fun for us to have a situation where a customer wants to go out and hunt or shoot or buy ammunition for personal protection but can’t. It’s frustrating for us as well,” he said.

“What they need to really understand is that Winchester and every other ammunition manufacturer are doing everything we can to get more to that consumer. Just like they got caught off guard with this level of demand, we got caught off guard too. It just takes a lot of time to be able to get to the level of production based upon the level of demand today. So, hey, we’re frustrated as much as they are. We do not like disappointing our customers.”

Flaugher points to three factors that led to the dramatic increase in those early months that depleted the back stock of ammunition. The first thing that caused the supply chain to dry up was the increased level of concern that people have for their personal security because of the pandemic and civil unrest. 

The second factor was the increase in people doing shooting sports, hunting and outdoor activities. The third issue is the public’s heightened concern about new gun-control laws and actions by the Biden administration and a Democratic-controlled Congress that would limit their ability to buy what they want. 

The ammo demand matches gun sales. The NSSF adjusted NICS checks show that 21 million firearms were sold in 2020, of which about 9 million were sold to first time gun buyers.  “Every time someone buys a gun, what do they buy with it? Ammo,” said Flaugher. “It was all in just a short period of time — that so many new gun owners went into the market.” 

Like their competitors, Winchester is trying to do things to increase output. They’ve added equipment to their factories. They have hired and trained hundreds of more people.

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Women and guns

I asked Flaugher about the NSSF reports that female gun ownership has increased substantially in the last year. 

“We’ve been talking about this at Winchester --  we’ve seen women entering gun ownership because of personal defense, that’s nothing new. But it’s continuing and at a higher rate because of the personal security concerns last year, because of pandemic, riots and defunding the police. People think they have to take responsibility for defending themselves and women are doing that as well.”

He said there are two main reasons that people take up shooting sports, training for personal defense  and spending recreational time with friends and family. And women just want to be a part of the fun at the ranges. 

Questions from readers

After I interviewed Jason Hornady about the ammo shortages, I got a lot of “Emily Posts'' subscribers asking me more questions. I replied in the comments that I was interviewing another unnamed ammunition manufacturer executive to get more answers. The questions below are from readers and the answers from Flaugher. 

Q: Why can’t Winchester make enough shotgun shells for the market?

Flaugher: “People are outdoors shooting traps, skeet, sporting clays -- all that recreational activity is driving a huge amount of demand for us that we just can’t keep up at this point,” Flaugher explained. “Then you have high school shooting teams on top of that for shotgun shells.”

Q: What percentage of ammunition goes to governmental agencies?

Flaugher: “On the conspiracy theories, there is not one theory that I’ve heard that has an ounce of truth to it. Winchester is the primary supplier to the U.S. government’s military. And if anybody would know if the government was buying historically more than they have in previous years, we would know. They’re not.”

Q:  Which calibers are in the greatest demand?

Flaugher: “Well they are all in a very very high level demand. But the calibers I would tell you are in the highest demand are 9mm pistol and 5.56 - those two more than any other.”

Q: What about supply and costs of raw materials and components?

Flaugher: “Winchester manufactures all of its own components- the bullet, brass and primer. We get our propellent from a third party.”

“Our key raw materials are lead and brass and resin. We are not being affected by supply of key raw materials, but — there’s a big but there — but supply has been tight, and we continue to manage that, but it has not affected our ability to produce.”

Why are primers out of stock? 

Flaugher: “Primers are at high demand for the same reasons that loaded ammunition is at high demand. There are more people buying them. There are more people loading them. There are more people shooting. Participation is up. It’s no different, but with one little element, the fact that we have to use more primers because we are making more ammunition. That’s a minor part of it. Most of it is just because demand is high.”

He added that, “I think they’ll see better supply down the road.”

The future

So how long will it take for consumers to see the shelves stocked again? “I think you’re looking at least through 2022, a year and a half away, based upon the continuation of participation we’re seeing, based upon the level of guns being sold today,” he said.

I asked if he wanted to address the people who are stockpiling, which frustrates my readers who just want to shoot.

“I would encourage people not to overbuy just because they may not get it tomorrow. But it’s gonna be hard for me to convince a consumer not to buy what they want,” he said.

“We are making more than we ever have, faster than we ever have, and we are trying to satisfy their needs as best we can right now.”

It seems that, what started as panic buying during the pandemic, has led to a change in recreational activities for Americans, and this one doesn’t involve ugly golf clothes.

“A lot of people were introduced to shooting sports during the pandemic. There are a lot more new gun owners out there. And I actually think people have enjoyed their experiences shooting , even though the ammunition is hard to get,” said Winchester’s president. “We offer a sport — whether for pure recreation or for personal protection — that is meaningful.”

 
 


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 04:39 AM

His statement below is fearmongeringHe must be a Trumpest ,conspiracy nut and a hater of all. They just want to save the kids' and arenot coming for your 2A.( Purple button busted)

 

 

The third issue is the public’s heightened concern about new gun-control laws and actions by the Biden administration and a Democratic-controlled Congress that would limit their ability to buy what they want. 


Edited by Sweeper13, 19 June 2021 - 04:40 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 05:00 AM

You think Biden and Harris are not coming for your gun??????

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Posted 19 June 2021 - 06:05 AM

He was being sarcastic... (note the purple button advisory)


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 09:33 AM

Ammo is still high but not as high as it used to be.

https://ammoseek.com...uger/Winchester


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Posted 19 June 2021 - 01:29 PM

Could big money possibly be doing the same thing with ammo as they are doing with single family houses?

 

https://therealdeal....-family-market/

 

More info

https://youtu.be/oX_GsnYzYYs



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Posted 19 June 2021 - 03:29 PM

Waiting on reason why international ammo manufactures are not flooding our market. They helped us out during the Obama shortage.
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Posted 20 June 2021 - 06:51 AM

It doesn't help that the American market is now pretty much controlled by two companies:  Vista Outdoors and Olin/Winchester.  This is especially true when it comes to self defense ammunition, the development and marketing of which is driven by law enforcement agency sales.  As consumers, we benefit from this by getting access to progressively modernized defensive ammo designed in their quest to gain and retain contracts with law enforcement agencies.  Traditionally, we had three:  Speer, Remington and Federal.  With large conglomerate umbrella corporations acquiring several corporations -- many of them previously competitors -- we are now down to Winchester and Federal.  Vista Outdoors (which then owned Federal and Speer) purchased the rights to manufacture and market Remington ammunition, and promptly turned the former competitor into a budget line.  To protect Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot from competition, they discontinued Remington's only remaining viable -- and relatively recent -- line of LEO ammunition, Remington Golden Saber Black Belt.  Now, LEO contract overruns and the consumer versions of that line are no longer available to us.  If you want to buy the best defensive ammo now, you are limited to Vista Outdoors (Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot) and Winchester (Ranger).  With that, you are limited to how much of that ammunition they choose to manufacture and sell in a given year.  The same premise, of course, also basically holds true for hunting and target ammunition.

 

Corporations such as Vista and Olin do not expand their production facilities and supply chain resources due to what they view as periodic spikes in ammunition sales.  They tend to look at long-term trends over 5-10 years, average them out and plan their numbers accordingly.  So, yes, they are trying their best to meet current demands -- but within the confines of the production facilities, labor force and supply chain resources they had previously planned and budgeted for before the COVID/Biden crisis began.  They cannot -- and will not even attempt to -- expand their manufacturing facilities to meet this demand, under the thinking that this, too, shall blow over, and they shall not reap what they deem to be an acceptable long term return on their investment in new facilities, manpower, etc.  In essence, they fear being "stuck" with unused factories, labor problems caused by layoffs, etc.

 

Smaller manufacturers help to some degree, but they're aren't enough of them, they aren't large enough, and they tend to be more expensive for better product due to economy of scale.  So, unless the Bolsheviks are ousted and demand returns to normal, we are all screwed.

 

Ammunition in the US is a commodity in the same sense that prescription drugs (especially generics and vaccines) are commodities.  We have billions of doses of newly-developed COVID-19 vaccines not because the drug companies decided to pour billions of their own money into expanding facilities and supply chain resources to meet this challenge/demand, but because the U.S. government -- with our money -- shoveled out the cash for them to do it.  Left to their own devices, it would take years, if not decades, for the drug companies to have done this.

 

So, buckle up.  The ammo shortage and hideous prices will continue for so long as the Demsheviks rule this country.  The quickest way to stop this will be to retake control of the House and Senate in 2022.


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Posted 21 June 2021 - 07:52 AM

Could big money possibly be doing the same thing with ammo as they are doing with single family houses?
 
https://therealdeal....-family-market/
 
More info
https://youtu.be/oX_GsnYzYYs


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