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#1 Tip

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Posted 23 June 2021 - 09:19 AM

Please correct me if I’m wrong. It is my understanding that all Active FOID Card holders are subjected to periodic checks (daily?) to determine whether or not they have become disqualified to possess a FOID Card. If the above is correct then renewing an Active FOID Card should be nothing more than verifying they are not on the prohibited list. Correct? So how come nobody ever asks the elephant in the room question of why is there a backlog of renewals? Do they not trust the periodic checks? If so why spend the time and manpower doing them? If they trust the periodic checks then why the backlog on renewals?
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Posted 23 June 2021 - 09:31 AM

That's a good question.

 

Maybe because they have to take the time to reprint new cards, process the money transactions, etc?  Just guessing here.....


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Posted 23 June 2021 - 10:28 AM

If it makes sense to the common person, it’s against policy.
If it were that simple we could go to the DMV and get a new card printed, but again that’s against policy.
How else are they going to keep the gun owners in Illinois in check and so busy on a FOID to lose sight of the changes attempted to get pushed through.

The elephant you speak of has been here, will be here, and eats from our tables daily.
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Posted 23 June 2021 - 11:41 AM

Pretty much the whole point of expiration is to check that you haven't died or moved out of state without them noticing. Why does it take the ISP months to do that, even under normal circumstances? I honestly don't know.
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Posted 23 June 2021 - 02:46 PM

I suggest It has a lot to do with the mechanics of the process.  You will notice new renewals that are being processed with new equipment is processed much faster.  Older renewals that were entered into the old system are still delayed . . .


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Posted 23 June 2021 - 04:45 PM

That's absurd.  The State just doesn't want to do anything right.


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Posted 23 June 2021 - 08:30 PM

It's a fact that there are just not enough of involved gun owners to stop this. If the, "Gun Lobby," did have the pull like the media claims, our system would be like Utah. I got my Utah conceal carry license even though their investigation wasn't even done. Why? Because they have real gun supporters/voters who will threaten them with a new rep/senator if they don't vote the Will Of The People...

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Posted 23 June 2021 - 08:53 PM

So when I renew end of next year Ill get my FOID in a couple weeks while my son will have been waiting 2+1/2 years by then. 


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Posted 24 June 2021 - 10:11 AM

I renewed mine Nov of 2020 (card exp listed as Feb 2021), my wife renewed hers in Oct, 2020. She's had her card for 2 months now...I still have nothing. 


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Posted 24 June 2021 - 05:32 PM

If you can find Steves post on the FOID process manual, I recall it can be more than an electronic inquiry often requiring some manual process e.g making calls, researching records, etc
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Posted 25 June 2021 - 09:29 AM

I suggest It has a lot to do with the mechanics of the process.  You will notice new renewals that are being processed with new equipment is processed much faster.  Older renewals that were entered into the old system are still delayed . . .

Please tell us more about these old/new systems.


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Posted 25 June 2021 - 10:01 AM

Please tell us more about these old/new systems.

 

 

 

The old processor/printer is now about 6-7 years old.  That means the technology is that old also.  They have added a new processor/printer that can process and print nearly twice as many in half the time - that might be a slight exaggeration but it makes a marked difference in processing time.


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Posted 25 June 2021 - 12:32 PM

If one has been waiting over 16 months could you just be lost in the system?

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Posted 25 June 2021 - 01:00 PM

Yes.
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Posted 27 June 2021 - 01:22 AM

What should one do in this case?

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Posted 27 June 2021 - 07:34 AM

We submit an inquiry to the ISP with full legal name, date of birth, FOID number and the date submitted.


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Posted 27 June 2021 - 04:15 PM

And when that doesn’t work any thing left?

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Posted 28 June 2021 - 10:53 AM

If it helps anybody feel any better, after 16 months, 3 weeks, and 5 days, my FOID renewal finally went active today.

maybe in another week or 2 I might have it in hand.



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Posted 29 June 2021 - 09:30 AM

Has anyone had to redo any firearms permit due to it just getting lost in the system?

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Posted 29 June 2021 - 09:33 AM

Has anyone had to redo any firearms permit due to it just getting lost in the system?

Not sure I understand the question.


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Posted 29 June 2021 - 09:34 AM

And when that doesn’t work any thing left?

We send another inquiry.

 

You can try emailing: 

ISP.AskFOIDandCCL@illinois.gov


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Posted 29 June 2021 - 06:51 PM

Thank you.

 

Received a long automated return email. Now, will someone answer my question, It’s coming up on 16 months this week. 


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 11:06 PM

Thank you.

 

Received a long automated return email. Now, will someone answer my question, It’s coming up on 16 months this week. 

Contact ISRA, get added to the law suits.


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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:12 AM

It seems pretty apparent that the one way to get traction on any number of 2A issues, is to increase membership to such a number that when asked to participate in Witness Slips, we are not ignored.

Second would be to have even 80% of FOID holders in Illinois at increased membership, flood the representative that initiates anything with on site protests at their local office. And if necessary follow Maxine Watters recommendation; “If you see anybody (that representative) from that Cabinet (District) [or any Trump supporters] in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

We see how other states get action, time to increase membership.



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Posted 03 July 2021 - 04:21 PM

It seems pretty apparent that the one way to get traction on any number of 2A issues, is to increase membership to such a number that when asked to participate in Witness Slips, we are not ignored.

Second would be to have even 80% of FOID holders in Illinois at increased membership, flood the representative that initiates anything with on site protests at their local office. And if necessary follow Maxine Watters recommendation; “If you see anybody (that representative) from that Cabinet (District) [or any Trump supporters] in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

We see how other states get action, time to increase membership.

>>>>Second would be to have even 80% of FOID holders in Illinois at increased membership,

 

Even 8% would make a monumental difference.
 



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Posted 03 July 2021 - 04:28 PM

Can you clarify..."increased membership" where? IC, ISRA, NRA, SAF, GOA, etc? The ISRA would be logical but they've not made friends in the gun community lately and dont always present themselves in the best light. But, yeah, with 2M plus FOID holders but only 25K or so ISRA members, thats not a lot of collective strength.

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 04:39 PM

We can't even get the total membership of illinoiscarry to file witness slips . 



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Posted 04 July 2021 - 07:37 AM

My daughter applied for a foid renewal one year ago this month.  After reading this thread, I gather this is not unusual and that she should continue to wait before sending an inquiry to the ISP.  

 

Question:  How much longer should she wait, and is her current card valid until it is replaced?



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Posted 04 July 2021 - 09:00 AM

16 months and still waiting for renewal, don’t think renewals are part of lawsuit. Contact everyone you can that may be able to help. Hasn't helped us but we keep trying. Moving out is looking better every day.

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Posted 04 July 2021 - 10:00 AM

Waited 17 months for FOID renewal. Received my renewal last week.




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