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Posted 09 April 2021 - 05:09 PM

With interesting results.  There is more explanation at the link.  

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Fact-checking Biden's speech announcing new executive actions on gun control

 

By Holmes Lybrand, Tara Subramaniam and Daniel Dale, CNN

Updated 1:57 PM ET, Fri April 9, 2021


(CNN) In the wake of another series of mass shootings around the US, President Joe Biden announced several gun-control focused executive actions on Thursday.

The actions include expanding background checks for certain types of guns, regulating stabilizing braces built for pistols, making new investments in intervention programs for violence-prone communities, and creating model "red flag" legislation for states to pass.
Here's a look at some of the claims Biden made during his Rose Garden announcement and the facts around them:

Gun manufacturers and liability

Biden claimed that "the only industry in America -- a billion-dollar industry -- that can't be sued -- has exempt from being sued -- are gun manufacturers."

Facts First: This is false. Gun manufacturers are not entirely exempt from being sued, nor are they only industry with some liability protections.

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Background checks and gun shows

Biden claimed that "If you walk into a store and you buy a gun, you have a background check. But you go to a gun show, you can buy whatever you want and no background check."

Facts First: This framing from Biden is misleading, since it leaves the false impression that gun shows are exempt from background check laws.

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Red flag laws and suicides

Biden touted so-called red flag laws, also known as Extreme Risk Protection Order laws, which allow people to ask a court to temporarily remove guns from people believed to be a danger to themselves or others. He said that states with red flag laws have "seen a reduction in the number of suicides in their states."

Facts First: This needs context. Research on this subject is limited, some of the available research data is mixed, and suicide rates have increased around the US in the 21st century.
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However, there is additional nuance to consider. One study on Indiana and Connecticut found that while Indiana's red flag law was associated with an overall reduction in suicides of all kinds compared to the expected number, the overall picture was mixed in Connecticut. In Connecticut, this study found, a state move to increase enforcement of its red flag law, beginning in 2007, coincided with an increase in non-firearm suicides that was actually bigger than the reduction in firearm suicides.

In a 2020 review of the data on the effects of various gun policies, researchers at the RAND Corporation took note of the positive findings out of Indiana but said the overall evidence on the effect of red flag laws on both total suicides and firearm suicides is "inconclusive." The RAND report called for additional study on the subject.

 



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Posted 09 April 2021 - 05:25 PM

Wow, never thought I would see CNN actually properly fact checking a Democrat, especially Biden.


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Posted 09 April 2021 - 06:16 PM

Lied so much that even CNN couldn't cover him. I believe politifact ran an article and rated his speech as "mostly false". I was surprised to see that one coming from politifact. I guess it goes to show that the entire gun control argument is built almost entirely on lies.



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Posted 09 April 2021 - 07:48 PM

Giving big speeches about gun control is just pandering to his base. None of what he's proposed would have changed a thing about the recent mass shootings.


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Posted 09 April 2021 - 08:25 PM

Giving big speeches about gun control is just pandering to his base. None of what he's proposed would have changed a thing about the recent mass shootings.

Exactly right, Really nothing he said means anything. Just a gun control wish list is all that was.



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Posted 09 April 2021 - 08:40 PM

More Pinocchios.


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Posted 09 April 2021 - 08:51 PM

He knows his words are just lip service and democrats know that as well....... they wanted him to be caught telling lies...... so they could fact check and keep the discussion going...... its a well timed game

 

Havent thought about that border lately have you????? Seems the infrastructure conversation has already died as well.

 

Trump was the best at pushing buttons, but the democrats make fools of the republicans everytime in the distraction game....... they always have all of us looking at the wrong hand



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Posted 09 April 2021 - 11:25 PM

He knows his words are just lip service and democrats know that as well....... they wanted him to be caught telling lies...... so they could fact check and keep the discussion going...... its a well timed game

 

Havent thought about that border lately have you????? Seems the infrastructure conversation has already died as well.

 

Trump was the best at pushing buttons, but the democrats make fools of the republicans everytime in the distraction game....... they always have all of us looking at the wrong hand

The media play a big part in that, think about how fat the Colorado shooting was dropped by the media after it came out that is wasn't a white guy. that the last you heard of that story in the media. 



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Posted 10 April 2021 - 12:09 AM

Typically when we say democrats that includes nearly all of the media



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Posted 10 April 2021 - 05:26 AM

Did they check on the existence of the "AFT"?


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Posted 10 April 2021 - 06:42 AM

Well, someone at CNN just got fired after letting this get out.  

 

"How dare anyone here at CNN NOT cover for the fearless leader?"

 

/maybe purple, maybe not/



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Posted 10 April 2021 - 06:47 AM

Background checks and gun shows

Biden claimed that "If you walk into a store and you buy a gun, you have a background check. But you go to a gun show, you can buy whatever you want and no background check."

Facts First: This framing from Biden is misleading, since it leaves the false impression that gun shows are exempt from background check laws.

 

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Posted 10 April 2021 - 06:54 AM

https://www.dailymai...elicopters.html.  
 

 

An interesting article about Biden’s pick to head the BATF.   
 


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Posted 10 April 2021 - 05:32 PM

Wow, never thought I would see CNN actually properly fact checking a Democrat, especially Biden.

Properly?


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Posted 10 April 2021 - 05:45 PM

 

Wow, never thought I would see CNN actually properly fact checking a Democrat, especially Biden.

Properly?

 

 

As in calling it false, instead of something like "Well what he said, wasn't entirely correct, but we still rule it true because what he actually meant to say was...." and/or ignoring all the patently false statements and only fact checking the stuff that wasn't false and giving it a thumbs up.


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Posted 10 April 2021 - 09:51 PM

 

Wow, never thought I would see CNN actually properly fact checking a Democrat, especially Biden.

Properly?

 

Its still early to give CNN ANY CREDIT for fact-checking slow Joe. 
I think they may be starting to eat their own, which I’m fine with. 
I would put money on them helping to make slow joe look like an idiot so their chosen one can step in and make things 100 times worse then they already are. 


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 07:43 AM

 

 

Wow, never thought I would see CNN actually properly fact checking a Democrat, especially Biden.

Properly?

 

 

As in calling it false, instead of something like "Well what he said, wasn't entirely correct, but we still rule it true because what he actually meant to say was...." and/or ignoring all the patently false statements and only fact checking the stuff that wasn't false and giving it a thumbs up.

 

Properly, to me. calls it false, then explains exactly why and how, not in a passive aggressive way as they did .  GRANTED, for CNN, particularly on this topic, this is a major move forward for them.


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