vito Posted April 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 12:41 PM The only reason we have legal concealed carry is that a Federal judge forced the State to establish the policy we have. With what is going on the nation, with SCOTUS clearly intimidated by the Left and refusing to take on 2A cases, is it only a matter of time before IL repeals it’s concealed carry law? We know that Pritzker, Preckwinkle, and Lightfoot would love to see normal citizens ( I.e., Republican voters) disarmed, so when can we expect this power grab to take place? I personally cannot a imagine having to live here without the ability to defend myself so maybe I should welcome the law’s repeal so that I can finally move out of this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 22, 2021 at 12:52 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 12:52 PM There will be a large number of outlaws made that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cope Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:01 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:01 PM As its a court mandate that they be required to allow conceal carry Im not sure they could 'repeal'....... however Im shocked they havent already gone the other direction and made it even more expensive and difficult to get a license Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:02 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:02 PM There will be no repeal of the carry law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:22 PM Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:22 PM There will be no repeal of the carry law. Can you share with us why you think that? I certainly hope you are right. With what is happening in the nation, and this State, I no longer have ANY confidence in the sanity or common sense of the People of this nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:33 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 01:33 PM The state and federal courts in IL have already ruled a complete ban on the right to carry is unconstitutional. To undo that precedent would be unheard of, plus too many legislators now have carry licenses. They won't give that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 22, 2021 at 02:05 PM Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 02:05 PM I would not put it past IL Democrats to further restrict the carry law, without totally repealing it. Fees could be increased astronomically, but waived for all elected officials for example. More places could be added as "no carry" zones so that carrying routinely would become difficult to do without violating the law. When we live in a State where the Mayor of the city that dominates the entire state is calling for a new rule that would limit police from pursuing suspects until they have secured permission from a supervisor, nothing that this State does will surprise me. The election of Biden and Harris, the openly ignoring of due process for white defendants and the elevation of criminal street thugs into national heroes give me little reason to think that the Democrats here will not be emboldened to strike at the heart of our 2A rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted April 22, 2021 at 02:29 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 02:29 PM The SCOTUS is on thin ice with the shenanigans to add states to the Union and packing the court. I would no longer count on the Constitution as a firewall. We lost the country when some refused to vote for Trump and when the GOP didn't push for a fair election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted April 22, 2021 at 03:03 PM Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 03:03 PM they are already embolden and are going for broke! What they will end up getting is yet to be seen, but they will get something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vito Posted April 22, 2021 at 04:29 PM Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 at 04:29 PM Holding their noses in the air and refusing to back Trump was a big mistake that some might be realizing right now, but it goes much deeper than that. When the Mayor of Brooklyn Center recently fired the City Manager for the audacity of saying that the police officer who shot the thug who resisted arrest would receive due process, that did not surprise me coming from a Black Leftist Mayor. But there was not a sound of protest by traditional "liberals". Pelosi, Schumer, and others were totally silent at this provocative anti-rule of law behavior by this POS mayor. Add to this the blatant intimidation of the Chauvin jury, starting with the prosecutor, but including the governor of MN, Maxine Waters and the President of the U.S., and t he media nor anyone else is protesting loudly, and it is obvious that the country has probably reached the point of no return. The founder of BLM buys four homes for several million dollars using funds donated by stupid white people thinking that they were helping disadvantaged minorities, and the media tries its best to avoid the issue and I haven't seen the BLM yard signs being removed from my neighbor's lawns. All of this has likely made the most vehement anti-gunners convinced that this is truly their time in history where they can disarm us and leave us helpless for good. At the Federal level we might not see draconian gun control because Joe Manchin in not likely to support such legislation if he values a future as a West Virginia Senator. But at the State level, who is there to stop the Chicago mob running this state from giving disarming us a good try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearwidnezz Posted April 23, 2021 at 09:05 PM Share Posted April 23, 2021 at 09:05 PM We continue to fight as we always have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted April 24, 2021 at 04:37 PM Share Posted April 24, 2021 at 04:37 PM "Shall issue" vs. "May issue". What's preventing IL Dems from changing to a "May issue" state, like Maryland or Hawaii? At least in NY or CA, they're corrupt enough that someone could bribe their way into a CCW permit. There could be some lean years here in IL while the machine figures out the toll for "May issue" licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mau Posted April 24, 2021 at 06:11 PM Share Posted April 24, 2021 at 06:11 PM Another reason to get out of this state as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted April 25, 2021 at 12:04 AM Share Posted April 25, 2021 at 12:04 AM "Shall issue" vs. "May issue". What's preventing IL Dems from changing to a "May issue" state, like Maryland or Hawaii? At least in NY or CA, they're corrupt enough that someone could bribe their way into a CCW permit. There could be some lean years here in IL while the machine figures out the toll for "May issue" licenses.It would be difficult, both politically and legally, for a shall issue state to tell a few hundred thousand existing licensees they suddenly no longer qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cope Posted April 25, 2021 at 03:10 AM Share Posted April 25, 2021 at 03:10 AM Difficult for whom? They just make the laws, which is extremely easy. They dont have to support or defend them. Meanwhile once a criminal youre tarnished, and then it truly is difficult to make that go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted April 26, 2021 at 12:59 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 12:59 PM Difficult for whom? They just make the laws, which is extremely easy. They dont have to support or defend them. Meanwhile once a criminal youre tarnished, and then it truly is difficult to make that go away. Yep. There's no political price. We're 40% Republican at best. Even if a handful of Dem voters get upset, that doesn't mean they're going to vote Republican. If you're still a Dem voter, you're already guaranteed to not have the 2A as your top priority, or even in the top 10. The 2A is a vestigial right to them that they'll gladly give up once they're finally, truly in power and they've criminalized/neutered the opposition. If there's no $dollar$ figure attached to the state, then it's going to happen. They may miss the little slush fund these applications have provided over the years, but we were getting all lawyerly about that anyways, so screw us! If the judge only said we had to have CCW and didn't say "how", then it's just a matter of time before the clever ones on the left wake up and make the "Shall" / "May" switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:34 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:34 PM If the judge only said we had to have CCW and didn't say "how", then it's just a matter of time before the clever ones on the left wake up and make the "Shall" / "May" switch. Not going to happen. THey couldn't do this when the bill first passed because the votes were not there for "may' issue. Votes certainly aren't there now with nearly 400,000 license holders and concealed carry becoming commonplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:43 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 02:43 PM If the judge only said we had to have CCW and didn't say "how", then it's just a matter of time before the clever ones on the left wake up and make the "Shall" / "May" switch. Not going to happen. THey couldn't do this when the bill first passed because the votes were not there for "may' issue. Votes certainly aren't there now with nearly 400,000 license holders and concealed carry becoming commonplace. I wonder of the 400m how many got wise and left the state. Do we have actual numbers of those still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanc Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:26 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 04:26 PM Ill House: 45 Republicans vs. 73 DemocratsIll Senate: 18 Republicans vs. 48 Democrats A handful of downstate Dem representatives is all that's holding them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:34 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:34 PM If the judge only said we had to have CCW and didn't say "how", then it's just a matter of time before the clever ones on the left wake up and make the "Shall" / "May" switch. Not going to happen. THey couldn't do this when the bill first passed because the votes were not there for "may' issue. Votes certainly aren't there now with nearly 400,000 license holders and concealed carry becoming commonplace.And i agree..hence the slowing down of applicants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcreek Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:40 PM Share Posted April 26, 2021 at 10:40 PM The comments saying that legally,pritzker & his people cant do this or cant do that.Wake up people.That was good info last year.If anyone believes that the present governmant in Illinois or The USA will stop at anything to do whatever they want.Is forgetting that this is quickly transforming into a socialist communist country.The people showed their colors when they rolled over on the virus.Emperor Pritzker knows he has the people by the short hairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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