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Posted 26 April 2020 - 12:21 PM

Every presidential election year I post the Democrat's and Republican's platforms as they relate to gun rights or gun control, as well as statements made on campaign websites once we know who the candidates will be.

 

Following is Joe Biden's plan for our rights and a history of his prior activity in the area of firearm legislation. The quoted text is taken directly from his website.

 

The Trump/Pence site is less specific in most regards, including an absence of any stated desire for additional gun control. Should any statements related to the Second Amendment be posted there in the future we'll certainly share them here as well.

 

It is only through a complete understanding of the candidates' vision for our rights that those rights can be protected. This post is not meant to divide us.  Rather, it is offered in the spirit of complete understanding. Please keep any comments focused more toward our similarities than our differences.

 

 

 

 

THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC

 

Joe Biden knows that gun violence is a public health epidemic. Almost 40,000 people die as a result of firearm injuries every year in the United States, and many more are wounded. Some of these deaths and injuries are the result of mass shootings that make national headlines. Others are the result of daily acts of gun violence or suicides that may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to the families and communities left behind.

Joe Biden has taken on the National Rifle Association (NRA) on the national stage and won – twice. In 1993, he shepherded through Congress the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which established the background check system that has since kept more than 3 million firearms out of dangerous hands. In 1994, Biden – along with Senator Dianne Feinstein – secured the passage of 10-year bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. As president, Joe Biden will defeat the NRA again.

Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called “gun show loophole,” increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.

It’s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. As president, Biden will pursue constitutional, common-sense gun safety policies. Biden will:

Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:

  • Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons. 

  • Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. 

  • Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.

  • Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.

Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it’s only effective when it’s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:

  • Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.

  • Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the “boyfriend loophole” highlighted below, Biden will:

  • Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed. In 2016, the Obama-Biden Administration finalized a rule to make sure the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends to the background check system records that it holds of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms because they have been adjudicated by the SSA as unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons. But one of the first actions Donald Trump took as president was to reverse this rule. President Biden will enact legislation to codify this policy.

  • Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

  • Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days. Biden supports the proposal in the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, which extends the timeline from three to 10 business days. Biden will also direct the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to put on his desk within his first 100 days as president a report detailing the cases in which background checks are not completed within 10 business days and steps the federal government can take to reduce or eliminate this occurrence.

  • Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.

 

End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. Federal law defines categories of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, and the federal background check system is an effective tool for ensuring prohibited persons cannot purchase firearms. But we lack any serious tool to ensure that when someone becomes newly prohibited – for example, because they commit a violent crime – they relinquish possession of their firearms. There are some promising models for how this could be enforced. For example, California has a mandatory process for ensuring relinquishment by any individual newly subject to a domestic violence restraining order. As president, Biden will direct the FBI and ATF to outline a model relinquishment process, enact any necessary legislation to ensure relinquishment when individuals newly fall under one of the federal prohibitions, and then provide technical and financial assistance to state and local governments to establish effective relinquishment processes on their own.

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others. Biden will incentivize the adoption of these laws by giving states funds to implement them. And, he’ll direct the U.S. Department of Justice to issue best practices and offer technical assistance to states interested in enacting an extreme risk law.

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.

Adequately fund the background check system. President Obama and Vice President Biden expanded incentives for states to submit records of prohibited persons into the background checks system. As president, Biden will continue to prioritize that funding and ensure that the FBI is adequately funded to accurately and efficiently handle the NICS system.

ADDRESSING THE DEADLY COMBINATION OF GUNS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

The statistics tell a devastating and overwhelming story. The likelihood that a woman in a domestic violence situation will be killed increases by a factor of five if a gun is nearby. Half of mass shootings involve an individual shooting a family member or former intimate partner. This deadly connection tragically impacts children as well: 86% of children killed in shootings with four or more victims were involved in domestic or family violence.

Biden recognizes that the gun violence and domestic violence epidemics are linked and cannot be solved in isolation. Addressing the interconnectedness of these challenges will be a core focus of Biden’s anti-violence work as president. 

The Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2019, which Leader McConnell refuses to bring to the floor for a vote, includes a number of reforms to keep firearms out of the hands of abusers. Senator McConnell should ensure this legislation gets passed long before President Biden would take the oath of office. But if McConnell refuses to act, Biden will enact legislation to close the so-called “boyfriend loophole” and “stalking loophole” by prohibiting all individuals convicted of assault, battery, or stalking from purchasing or possessing firearms, regardless of their connection to the victim. This proposal is modeled after existing laws in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Nevada, New York, and Pennsylvania. Biden also supports enacting the proposal to prohibit anyone under a temporary restraining order from purchasing or possessing a firearm before their hearing.

In addition, President Biden will:

  • Establish a new Task Force on Online Harassment and Abuse to focus on the connection between mass shootings, online harassment, extremism, and violence against women. As President, Joe Biden will convene a national Task Force with federal agencies, state leaders, advocates, law enforcement, and technology experts to study rampant online sexual harassment, stalking, and threats, including revenge porn and deepfakes — and the connection between this harassment, mass shootings, extremism and violence against women. The Task Force will be charged with developing cutting-edge strategies and recommendations for how federal and state governments, social media companies, schools, and other public and private entities can tackle this unique challenge. The Task Force will consider platform accountability, transparent reporting requirements for incidents of harassment and response, and best practices. 

  • Expand the use of evidence-based lethality assessments by law enforcement in cases of domestic violence. Lethality assessments, sometimes called “risk” or “danger” assessments, are a proven strategy to help law enforcement officers identify domestic violence survivors who are at high risk of being killed by their abusers. These survivors are then connected with social service programs that can offer services and safety planning. An evaluation of the Lethality Assessment Program (LEP) created by the Maryland Network Against Domestic Violence showed promising results. Increased federal funding will incentivize jurisdictions to take advantage of implementing these programs more widely.

Make sure firearm owners take on the responsibility of ensuring their weapons are used safely.

  • Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns. Today, we have the technology to allow only authorized users to fire a gun. For example, existing smart gun technology requires a fingerprint match before use. Biden believes we should work to eventually require that 100% of firearms sold in the U.S. are smart guns. But, right now the NRA and gun manufacturers are bullying firearms dealers who try to sell these guns. Biden will stand up against these bullying tactics and issue a call to action for gun manufacturers, dealers, and other public and private entities to take steps to accelerate our transition to smart guns.

  • Hold adults accountable for giving minors access to firearms. Biden supports legislation holding adults criminally and civilly liable for directly or negligently giving a minor access to a firearm, regardless of whether the minor actually gains possession of the firearm.

  • Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes.

 

Empower law enforcement to effectively enforce our gun laws.

  • Prioritize prosecution of straw purchasers. “Straw purchasers” buy a firearm on behalf of an individual who cannot pass a background check. Biden will end those loopholes by enacting a law to make all straw purchases a serious federal crime and ensure the U.S. Justice Department has sufficient resources to prioritize their prosecution.

  • Notify law enforcement when a potential firearms purchaser fails a background check. Too often, when prohibited persons attempting to buy a firearm fail a background check, state and local law enforcement is never informed of the attempt. As president, Biden will direct the FBI to set up a process to ensure timely notification of denials to state and local law enforcement, and he’ll support legislation to codify this process. This empowers law enforcement to follow up and ensure prohibited persons do not attempt to acquire firearms through other means.

  • Require firearms owners to report if their weapon is lost or stolen. Responsible gun owners have a responsibility to inform law enforcement if their weapon is lost or stolen. Biden will enact legislation to make this the law of the land.

  • Stop “ghost guns.” One way people who cannot legally obtain a gun may gain access to a weapon is by assembling a one on their own, either by buying a kit of disassembled gun parts or 3D printing a working firearm. Biden will stop the proliferation of these so-called “ghost guns” by passing legislation requiring that purchasers of gun kits or 3D printing code pass a federal background check. Additionally, Biden will ensure that the authority for firearms exports stays with the State Department, and if needed reverse a proposed rule by President Trump. This will ensure the State Department continues to block the code used to 3D print firearms from being made available on the Internet.

  • Reform, fund, and empower the U.S. Justice Department to enforce our gun laws. Biden will direct his Attorney General to deliver to him within his first 100 days a set of recommendations for restructuring the ATF and related Justice Department agencies to most effectively enforce our gun laws. Biden will then work to secure sufficient funds for the Justice Department to effectively enforce our existing gun laws, increase the frequency of inspections of firearms dealers, and repeal riders that get in the way of that work.

  • Direct the ATF to issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. This report will provide officials with critical information to better identify strategies for curbing firearms trafficking.

 

TACKLE URBAN GUN VIOLENCE WITH TARGETED, EVIDENCE-BASED COMMUNITY INTERVENTIONS

Daily acts of gun violence in our communities may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to survivors and victims’ families as gun violence that does make the front page. And, these daily acts of gun violence disproportionately impact communities of color. But there is reason to be optimistic. There are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities without turning to incarceration. For example, Group Violence Intervention organizes community leaders to work with individuals most likely to commit acts of gun violence, express the community’s demand that the gun violence stop, and connect individuals who may be likely perpetrators with social and economic support services that may deter violent behavior. These types of interventions have reduced homicides by as much as 60%Hospital-Based Violence Intervention engages young people who have been injured by gun violence while they are still in the hospital, connecting them to social and economic services that may decrease the likelihood they engage in or are victims of gun violence in the future. Biden will create a $900 million, eight-year initiative to fund these and other types of evidence-based interventions in 40 cities across the country – the 20 cities with the highest number of homicides, and 20 cities with the highest number of homicides per capita. This proposal is estimated to save more than 12,000 lives over the eight-year program.

Dedicate the brightest scientific minds to solving the gun violence public health epidemic. In 2013, President Obama issued a memorandum clarifying that a longstanding appropriations rider that prohibited the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other federal scientific agencies from using federal dollars to “advocate or promote gun control” does not prohibit those agencies from researching the causes and prevention of gun violence. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) subsequently embarked on funding some of this research, though Republican leadership in Congress refused to appropriate any funds to the CDC for this work. Biden will call for Congress to appropriate $50 million to accelerate this research at the CDC and NIH. 

Prohibit the use of federal funds to arm or train educators to discharge firearms. We should be passing rational gun laws, not requiring educators who already have too much on their plates to also protect the safety of their students. Biden supports barring states from using federal dollars to arm or train educators to discharge firearms.

Address the epidemic of suicides by firearms. Biden believes any plan to address the gun violence epidemic must address suicides by firearms, which account for 6 in 10 gun-related deaths but are often left out of the conversation. Many of the policies noted above – including safe storage requirements and extreme risk protection orders – will have a serious impact on efforts to reduce gun violence. But there’s so much more we need to do to support people experiencing suicidal ideation. In the months ahead, Biden will put forward a comprehensive plan to improve access to mental health services.

SUPPORTING SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE AND THEIR COMMUNITIES

Violence causes ripples of trauma throughout our communities, impacting not just the victims of violence but also their communities and first responders. Fear of school shootings is having a noticeable impact on the mental health of Gen Z. Intimate partner violence is linked to depression, post-traumatic stress, and other mental health challenges among survivors. And, this trauma can be intergenerational. Science now shows that young children who witness violence – including in their home – literally alters the parts of their brains that affect “reasoning, planning, and behavioral control.”

We need to reduce violence to prevent trauma from happening in the first place. But we also must treat the resulting trauma as a serious crisis in its own right.

As president, Biden will:

  • Make federal programs more trauma-informed. During his first 100 days, Biden will direct his Cabinet to conduct a review of all federal programs that directly serve communities likely to experience violence and identify reforms to make sure those programs effectively address resulting trauma. Biden will then invest significant federal funds in expanding and improving the federal government’s support for trauma-informed and culturally responsive care.

  • Create a network of trauma care centers. Biden will bring together offices within the federal government to establish specialized trauma care centers for survivors of violence, with a special focus on survivors of domestic and sexual violence. Domestic violence services are focused on meeting the emergency needs of survivors, including safety planning and crisis intervention. As a result, frontline providers lack the resources they need to offer therapeutic services to help survivors heal from trauma. These trauma care centers will be flexible in meeting the needs of communities, and could be housed at rape crisis centers, domestic violence programs, universities, and existing mental health centers.

  • Train health care and other service providers in trauma-centered care. To prevent revictimization and secondary trauma, Biden will align training efforts throughout relevant federal programs to include a focus on understanding the traumatic effects of violence, providing appropriate care to avoid furthering the trauma, linking survivors with evidence-based trauma therapies, and reducing myths about domestic and sexual violence. This will be accomplished through agency directives, policy guidance, and special conditions for grantees and contractors.

 



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 12:24 PM

Holy crap...

 

He's doubling down on stupid. Guess that Bloomberg cash goes a long way to buying a politician off.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 01:01 PM

And to think that’s there’s people here that are going to vote for him....

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 01:18 PM

He's already announced Francis is going to be instrumental in some way in implementing this trampling of the people's rights.  The man who flat out said he's going to have the government take your guns is being tapped in some way to make this listed plan a reality.  



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 01:26 PM

And to think that’s there’s people here that are going to vote for him....

Yep. Because orange man bad.

 

Also bear in mind if he's elected there's a good chance Biden would replace Thomas on the court.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 01:44 PM

Lets face it Trump is kind of stupid but at least he knows what bleach and Lysol are.

Biden's house probably has Child Proof Cabinet Locks to keep him away from these things.

 

Out of how many members on here how many do you actually think would vote for Biden? 10, 20?

I'll throw this out there, if you are planning on voting for Biden I will not give you any gruff.

I cannot say the same about anyone else on the forum.

Alright Biden supporters, show your support.

I promise I will not give you any gruff.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 02:36 PM

IMO Biden would be replaced by his VP early into a Biden presidency.  No idea who he is considering, but we can rest assured it will be an incompetent, corrupt liberal.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 03:43 PM

Until I read that, I had no idea there were so many loopholes.
What a load of bovine excrement.

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 03:51 PM

 

Lets face it Trump is kind of stupid but at least he knows what bleach and Lysol are.

Biden's house probably has Child Proof Cabinet Locks to keep him away from these things.

 

Out of how many members on here how many do you actually think would vote for Biden? 10, 20?

I'll throw this out there, if you are planning on voting for Biden I will not give you any gruff.

I cannot say the same about anyone else on the forum.

Alright Biden supporters, show your support.

I promise I will not give you any gruff.

 

 

 

I don't think we want to know how individual members would vote. As I said in the opening post, we should focus more on our similarities than on our differences.

 

Instead of that, what if we recognize that all of us have issues outside of gun rights that are important - to us, individually. That for some of those who value the Second Amendment it can be a struggle to find the correct candidate.

 

Perhaps, if we provide the right information and throw in a little empathy, we can help those with that dilemma find a candidate that respects the things we do agree upon.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 04:33 PM

If we all thought similarly to the importance of the 2A (gun owners as a whole), we wouldnt be in the mess we are in today. 1/3 of the country owns a gun, yet theyll vote that right away for some other thing that isnt as important to the entire country of gun owners.

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 04:46 PM

Ban weapons of (World) war (II)!

Idiots.

Worst part is, the whole point of the 2nd amendment is that the citizens be allowed to keep weapons in case they have to use them in war against an oppressive government!

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 05:21 PM

 

 

Lets face it Trump is kind of stupid but at least he knows what bleach and Lysol are.

Biden's house probably has Child Proof Cabinet Locks to keep him away from these things.

 

Out of how many members on here how many do you actually think would vote for Biden? 10, 20?

I'll throw this out there, if you are planning on voting for Biden I will not give you any gruff.

I cannot say the same about anyone else on the forum.

Alright Biden supporters, show your support.

I promise I will not give you any gruff.

 

 

 

I don't think we want to know how individual members would vote. As I said in the opening post, we should focus more on our similarities than on our differences.

 

Instead of that, what if we recognize that all of us have issues outside of gun rights that are important - to us, individually. That for some of those who value the Second Amendment it can be a struggle to find the correct candidate.

 

Perhaps, if we provide the right information and throw in a little empathy, we can help those with that dilemma find a candidate that respects the things we do agree upon.

 

I could pick through the Biden manifesto but that would be an extremely long post.

The one thing I'm absolutely sure of is he didn't write it, not even his name.

My point is by the time of the election IMO he is going to be like Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot.

While Trump has not been the best when it comes to 2A issues, he's better then any Democrat.

Those are the two candidates for now, Biden or Trump?

As it stands right now, I'm voting for Trump.

If anyone on this forum votes for Biden after reading that nonsense (The Biden Plan)

then I have no idea what they are doing on a pro 2A website.

No offense intended but you posted The Biden Plan.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 06:28 PM

Lets face it Trump is kind of stupid but at least he knows what bleach and Lysol are.
Biden's house probably has Child Proof Cabinet Locks to keep him away from these things.
 
Out of how many members on here how many do you actually think would vote for Biden? 10, 20?
I'll throw this out there, if you are planning on voting for Biden I will not give you any gruff.
I cannot say the same about anyone else on the forum.
Alright Biden supporters, show your support.
I promise I will not give you any gruff.

 
 
I don't think we want to know how individual members would vote. As I said in the opening post, we should focus more on our similarities than on our differences.
 
Instead of that, what if we recognize that all of us have issues outside of gun rights that are important - to us, individually. That for some of those who value the Second Amendment it can be a struggle to find the correct candidate.
 
Perhaps, if we provide the right information and throw in a little empathy, we can help those with that dilemma find a candidate that respects the things we do agree upon.
I could pick through the Biden manifesto but that would be an extremely long post.
The one thing I'm absolutely sure of is he didn't write it, not even his name.
My point is by the time of the election IMO he is going to be like Daniel Day-Lewis in My Left Foot.
While Trump has not been the best when it comes to 2A issues, he's better then any Democrat.
Those are the two candidates for now, Biden or Trump?
As it stands right now, I'm voting for Trump.
If anyone on this forum votes for Biden after reading that nonsense (The Biden Plan)
then I have no idea what they are doing on a pro 2A website.

No offense intended but you posted The Biden Plan.
+1. Illinois Carry has openly been against Bidens rhetoric as well

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Biden is against what ILCarry stands for (or anyone who supports the 2A for that matter)

IllinoisCarry is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to providing educational information about the lawful acquisition, possession, and carrying of firearms in Illinois as well as actively preserving, protecting, and advancing the Second Amendment Right to Carry for personal safety of self and others.

There should be no shame in calling out Biden and doing whatever is possible to educate people to not elect him. The OP describes what he wants to do, it is in direct conflict with what the majority of members here on the forum stand for. While voting is your personal business, it could be argued that anyone that is shilling for him here is going against the mission of the site/organization.

To protect the 2A, sometimes you gotta hold your nose and vote tactically, not emotionally, in order to stop the threat. Its clear who the better choice on this issue alone is.

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 06:41 PM

Please tell the people in the hood they can't shoot each other any more. Joe Dementia could not have written that. He can't even spell AR-14. Now go get some blow for your kid Joe.


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Posted 26 April 2020 - 06:51 PM

Oh, and Giffords proposals are in the links on his website

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 07:43 PM

OMG, I'm not one for reading lengthy posts but I just read Bidens plan. For starters I didn't know there were so many loopholes. He plans on passing "constitutional common sense gun laws". Yeah right.

I don't see how anyone that's pro 2a and knows his plans could even consider voting for this moron.

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 09:15 PM

Biden is against what ILCarry stands for (or anyone who supports the 2A for that matter)

IllinoisCarry is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to providing educational information about the lawful acquisition, possession, and carrying of firearms in Illinois as well as actively preserving, protecting, and advancing the Second Amendment Right to Carry for personal safety of self and others.

There should be no shame in calling out Biden and doing whatever is possible to educate people to not elect him. The OP describes what he wants to do, it is in direct conflict with what the majority of members here on the forum stand for. While voting is your personal business, it could be argued that anyone that is shilling for him here is going against the mission of the site/organization.

To protect the 2A, sometimes you gotta hold your nose and vote tactically, not emotionally, in order to stop the threat. Its clear who the better choice on this issue alone is.


Educating requires a receptive audience.

As you and I recently discussed in a different thread there are a lot of new gun owners, none of whom will enjoy being called a Fudd. Many of them are left leaning. None of those will like to be called a LWW or what have you.  And yes, there are some seasoned members who struggle with a party ideology that doesn't always comport with their personal ideology in every way.  We try to keep IllinoisCarry a place we can all call home.

 

I think if you look at the threads where your so called shilling takes place, you'll see that it occurs not as initiating confrontation on their part, but in reaction to confrontation cause by the use of derogatory terms directed at them or argumentative threads on topics unrelated to our purpose.  After all, as you correctly quoted, we are dedicated to advancing the Second Amendment.  We can do that more effectively if we avoid alienating people who are our allies in that one, single 2A issue.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 10:03 PM

^^^

True, and I think your post in the OP clearly shows how a Biden presidency would be disastrous to the 2A

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 02:55 AM

You all are crazy. I’m voting for Biden. He will make a great senator.




On a serious note...F Sleepy Joe and anyone who votes for that predator.

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 07:24 AM

"End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."

 

Well this got interesting.....



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Posted 27 April 2020 - 07:48 AM

"End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."

 

Well this got interesting.....

The whole thing is a hoot. It's a long read but goes against everything pro 2A.

There's so much BS in there that even if Biden wasn't feeble he couldn't pull off half of it.

It's offensively anti 2A but since Biden is a step away from this, I see no worries:



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Posted 27 April 2020 - 08:03 AM

"End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact  legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."
 
Well this got interesting.....

To all the viewers who want to know why this is bad,

1. Online gun sales are shipped to an FFL, in which the person having the gun shipped have to have it shipped to a local FFL, which you go there and fill out a 4473 just like you would at any gun shop. Its no different in terms of the sale and is federal law.

2.Regarding Ammo- Online retailers have to abide by state law. In order to get ammo shipped to you in Illinois, you need to provide you FOID cars to them (either upload it to their page during the order or email it to them). Again, same as buying in person.

3. Gun kits dont come with a receiver, just that parts to assemble/build your own minus a receiver. The receiver is the gun. See #1.

4. Gun parts- so, you break a spring or a bolt and you cant order online, thus you have a paperweight. Shooting your grandpas old 1911 and the extra toe breaks? Tough. That $7 part you cant obtain and your $1000 gun is useless. This does nothing for safety and is pure harassment only, and not to mention using a firearm with damaged/worn parts is dangerous for the lawful user of it

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 08:07 AM

Educating requires a receptive audience.
As you and I recently discussed in a different thread there are a lot of new gun owners, none of whom will enjoy being called a Fudd. Many of them are left leaning. None of those will like to be called a LWW or what have you.  And yes, there are some seasoned members who struggle with a party ideology that doesn't always comport with their personal ideology in every way.  We try to keep IllinoisCarry a place we can all call home.

We as a 2nd amendment community can never be soft on a candidate this vehemently antigun, because it shows Republicans and Dems both that its a value we can sell out on. Thats how youre left with no pro gun candidates, or if not pro gun at least persuade them to remove gun control as a partisan issue. Any new gun owner that supports Bidens gun control platform doesnt want you owning a gun.

Keep in mind the Joe Biden written Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 has created an entire coalition of anti Joe Biden Dems. That act also included the Assault Weapon ban. Those Dems already lost their election in the primaries and thats the base we need to work to change minds, especially after Bloomberg publicly taking credit for MDA/Everytown. For anyone that sees Biden as harm reduction he has a 37 year record of being on the wrong side of almost every historical progressive legislation

There are swing states and swing districts but the swing voter swinging an election IMO is a myth. Its about energizing your base to show up, and the only way to do that is to understand and cater to a broad spectrum of views of your base. Otherwise that base shouldnt be faulted for not voting or voting 3rd party. There may be those that are forced to choose between guns and their DNC connected employer, which I wont find fault with. Sucks we have a horrible system where business interests are this intertwined with political interests that are intertwined with gun control.

There has yet to be a president who won an election by heavy handed endorsement of gun control out of the gate when their opponent opposed it. So its not a partisan issue. Clintons gun control cost him dearly in the house and senate but his re-election was assured when Bob Dole refused to repeal the Assault Weapon Ban after securing his partys nomination. https://www.latimes....2804-story.html The NRA was already issuing their rebuke to the Bush administrations gun control and Bush doubled down when Clinton accused him of being soft on crime tied to weak gun control. https://www.thetrace...-5.52.32-PM.png
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Posted 27 April 2020 - 09:31 AM

November is a long ways away.  Joe already forgot what he was running from, or for.  His chances of being the D candidate is 40/60 out/in IMO although I did catch wind that Nancy came out to support him over the weekend.  Maybe the two of them will become suitemates. 


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 12:28 PM

 

"End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact  legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts."
 
Well this got interesting.....

To all the viewers who want to know why this is bad,

1. Online gun sales are shipped to an FFL, in which the person having the gun shipped have to have it shipped to a local FFL, which you go there and fill out a 4473 just like you would at any gun shop. Its no different in terms of the sale and is federal law.

2.Regarding Ammo- Online retailers have to abide by state law. In order to get ammo shipped to you in Illinois, you need to provide you FOID cars to them (either upload it to their page during the order or email it to them). Again, same as buying in person.

3. Gun kits dont come with a receiver, just that parts to assemble/build your own minus a receiver. The receiver is the gun. See #1.

4. Gun parts- so, you break a spring or a bolt and you cant order online, thus you have a paperweight. Shooting your grandpas old 1911 and the extra toe breaks? Tough. That $7 part you cant obtain and your $1000 gun is useless. This does nothing for safety and is pure harassment only, and not to mention using a firearm with damaged/worn parts is dangerous for the lawful user of it

 

THe whole list is Bloomberg's fantasy dream stance.  It also essentially attempts to make the 2nd amendment impotent via legislation.  The insidious part, is individually, each 'part' can be argued (incorrectyl imho) to be 'not infringing', but the collective whole makes owning a firearm impossible in practice.


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