Ashdump Posted May 10, 2007 at 10:48 PM Author Posted May 10, 2007 at 10:48 PM I will be on days for the summer, and will be at the next GSL mtg Coach. Mr. Mountain, is there any chance of you fellas coming over for the next GSL mtg? You know the old saying, "you can;t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs". We need to lite a fire under these guys a$$'. I don't have a calender handy, but it is the second Tuesday of next month. PS, it would'nt hurt to have Mac McWilliams there either to chew on there a$$es a little bit too. Nobody can say they've worked harder than that man!
whyzdom Posted May 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM Posted May 10, 2007 at 10:50 PM I will help, get me on a radio station in your area and whoever is trying to organize this effort call me 217-491-0258. we the people means WE THE PEOPLE not the few. You can easily get on the AM Radio station Newstalk 1420 with Jim Fisher here in the Quad Cities. All you have to do is call him up and ask to be put on air, in order to relay your views/positions/ and such. He is extremely pro-gun. The phone number is 309-344-1420 and Jim Fisher is on from 2:00-5:00 and is the managing director of the station.
Ol'Coach Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:03 AM Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:03 AM As I said I would, today I asked one of the original organizers of GSL, back when it was CCRA, why the officers, particularly, regarded it as a waste of time. (If the officers don't push it, there won't be much response.) My questions: RE: Brown and Pike Co resolutions Name: Has there been some attempt in the past by GSL to present a similar resolution to the CCB? Has there been an attempt at some other firearm related proposal that has caused this discouragement? Is it a matter of the makeup of the Board and its stand on other non-firearms related issues? Here's the reply I received: No. there hasn't Gene. We know how liberal and Socialistic the Majority members of the board are, and didn't see any point to wasting our time. MY God, Gene, Jennifer Putnam is the member of the Brady Group who took the Stockton California Assault Weapon Ban bill to the Urbana City Council! And Jenny has been on the board forever! She has much clout within the local Democratic party, and believe me when I tell you that this Hawaiian born woman is very proud of being a Socialist. County Board resolutions are not going to overcome the Chicago Press relentless attack on guns. The press will simply ignore it. So it probably has been the make up of the board, rather than any prior rulings on gun issues, or other issues that has caused us to spend our time and resources elsewhere. Haven't asked this yet, but, if there haven't been firearms-related issues brought before the board, how do we know how they will react to this one? Is Jenny-baby that influential with the entire board? If she is that anti-rights, how is it she's been on the board this long??? Mark Mountain: I will contact you!
Ol'Coach Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:08 AM Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:08 AM Mark, I will contact WDWS here in C-U. They have a very popular talk show daily in the A.M. I'll push for it, but realize this is the station that said they would cover IGOLD and didn't show! I'm thinkin' positive...I believe if they ARE WILLING TO UNDERSTAND the significance of what has happened in Pike and Brown Counties, they will respond.
Ashdump Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:27 AM Author Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:27 AM As I said I would, today I asked one of the original organizers of GSL, back when it was CCRA, why the officers, particularly, regarded it as a waste of time. (If the officers don't push it, there won't be much response.) My questions: RE: Brown and Pike Co resolutions Name: Has there been some attempt in the past by GSL to present a similar resolution to the CCB? Has there been an attempt at some other firearm related proposal that has caused this discouragement? Is it a matter of the makeup of the Board and its stand on other non-firearms related issues? Here's the reply I received: No. there hasn't Gene. We know how liberal and Socialistic the Majority members of the board are, and didn't see any point to wasting our time. MY God, Gene, Jennifer Putnam is the member of the Brady Group who took the Stockton California Assault Weapon Ban bill to the Urbana City Council! And Jenny has been on the board forever! She has much clout within the local Democratic party, and believe me when I tell you that this Hawaiian born woman is very proud of being a Socialist. County Board resolutions are not going to overcome the Chicago Press relentless attack on guns. The press will simply ignore it. So it probably has been the make up of the board, rather than any prior rulings on gun issues, or other issues that has caused us to spend our time and resources elsewhere. Haven't asked this yet, but, if there haven't been firearms-related issues brought before the board, how do we know how they will react to this one? Is Jenny-baby that influential with the entire board? If she is that anti-rights, how is it she's been on the board this long??? Mark Mountain: I will contact you! So thats it? Just because of one board member they are gonna let this thing die? I say pack the next board mtg with as many angry gun owners as you can, if it don't cut the mustard, it ain't cause you did'nt try. One more thing, where else are they spending there time and resources right now? Appleseed shoot? That's gonna make the press take notice for sure (sarcasm off now) BTW, I've got nothing against the appleseed shoot, but we need to get out on the offense.
Ol'Coach Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:43 AM Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:43 AM The press will simply ignore it. Not if we see to it that they can't!
Ashdump Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:47 AM Author Posted May 11, 2007 at 02:47 AM The press will simply ignore it. Not if we see to it that they can't! You get the county place of meeting overcrowded, somebody'll take notice. You may have to tell the media upfront that it's a gay rights activist convention to get them there, but when the camera's a rollin, it ain't gonna matter.
45superman Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:03 PM Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:03 PM When Mac had the scanned copy of the Pike County resolution up, I didn't think to copy it, and now it's not there anymore. Does anyone have it, and if so, could you either post it, or send it to me?
abolt243 Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:18 PM Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:18 PM When Mac had the scanned copy of the Pike County resolution up, I didn't think to copy it, and now it's not there anymore. Does anyone have it, and if so, could you either post it, or send it to me? See if this works for you. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f378/TTshot/PikeCountyResolution.jpg ABolt
45superman Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:20 PM Posted May 14, 2007 at 05:20 PM That works great. Thanks, ABolt--you da' man!
Mark Mountain Posted May 16, 2007 at 03:51 AM Posted May 16, 2007 at 03:51 AM When Mac had the scanned copy of the Pike County resolution up, I didn't think to copy it, and now it's not there anymore. Does anyone have it, and if so, could you either post it, or send it to me? See if this works for you. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f378/TTshot/PikeCountyResolution.jpg ABoltI was just notified that Hancock and Schuyler counties in Illinois have passed a similar Resolution opposing gun Legislation pending in Springfield. We the People have won a huge battle towards freedom. Join in spreading the word that freedom is alive and well in Central Illinois. This announcement will be made on the Derry Brownfield Network radio show live tomorrow at 10am. 50,000 strong and growing! (Pike, Brown, Schuyler, Hancock)
45superman Posted May 16, 2007 at 06:17 AM Posted May 16, 2007 at 06:17 AM Great news, Mark! I hear Henry County might not be far behind.
45superman Posted May 16, 2007 at 02:47 PM Posted May 16, 2007 at 02:47 PM The online petition to get Madison County on board is now available.
MARKHOLSTRUM Posted May 16, 2007 at 02:50 PM Posted May 16, 2007 at 02:50 PM Updated map of victory, time to stick it to them
Wolfhound Posted May 17, 2007 at 09:49 PM Posted May 17, 2007 at 09:49 PM I made a clearer map for the Pro 2A resolution. This one will be easier to update. Hope no one minds. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/Wolfhound76/illinois.gif
45superman Posted May 17, 2007 at 09:53 PM Posted May 17, 2007 at 09:53 PM Looking good, Wolfhound. Hopefully, Henry will soon be turning green.
EnjoyLife Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:24 PM Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:24 PM Looking good, Wolfhound. Hopefully, Henry will soon be turning green. Hopefully Madison is soon after
RacerDave6 Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:29 PM Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:29 PM I've talked to a few of my County board members and they seemed open to it. I did a copy & paste, changed a few words(so that it says my county of course) and put it in their hands. I will keep on them.
45superman Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:59 PM Posted May 17, 2007 at 11:59 PM What county is that, Racer? Keep us posted about anything you hear from them.
Mac Posted May 22, 2007 at 01:37 AM Posted May 22, 2007 at 01:37 AM It might help us politically if more counties and municipalities made public pronouncements like this. while in practice they are meaningless, it is hard for politicians to ignore this kind of thing if it gets started and ignites into a firestrom of support for the 2A. On the date of 5-21-07, I presented this resolution the the County Board of Johnson County, Illinois. This resolution has been put on the agenda for the 6-4-07 meeting. I will inform you as to the outcome of that meeting. Mac
45superman Posted May 22, 2007 at 01:44 AM Posted May 22, 2007 at 01:44 AM Great work, Mac--we'll definitely want to hear what develops from that.
ckm Posted May 22, 2007 at 02:47 AM Posted May 22, 2007 at 02:47 AM I'll add my "me too!" to the list here. I've sent a letter to and talked (briefly) with my county (St. Clair) board represenative about the Pike/Brown county resolutions. I didn't have a lot of time to fully discuss the entire issue with him, but he seemed open to bringing it up at the next board meeting. In the letter I sent him were the text of the respective resolutions and a request to get St. Clair county to pass a similar resolution. I'll follow up with him and pass on what I learn.
45superman Posted May 25, 2007 at 05:33 PM Posted May 25, 2007 at 05:33 PM A way to put some teeth in the pro-2A resolutions? If sheriffs can block enforcement of federal laws, then they can do the same with state laws. WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON CHOKE CHAINS County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court decision (case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval. "If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or retain them in custody." The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official." The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. Sheriff Mattis stated:"I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law." This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and specifically prohibited to the States.
whyzdom Posted May 25, 2007 at 05:38 PM Posted May 25, 2007 at 05:38 PM Wow! Wyoming sounds like a great place to live!
45superman Posted May 25, 2007 at 07:08 PM Posted May 25, 2007 at 07:08 PM By the way, I hadn't noticed this before, but the Free Republic article about the Wyoming sheriffs is old--from early 2000. That doesn't change the fact that sheriffs do indeed have a great deal more power to protect their counties from the state and federal governments than is generally appreciated (or exercised, for that matter).
Ol'Coach Posted May 25, 2007 at 09:42 PM Posted May 25, 2007 at 09:42 PM Pike, Brown, Schuyler, Hancock Didn't I read somewhere that there has been a 5th, other than Henry? Need to know for a letter I am preparing.
45superman Posted May 25, 2007 at 09:47 PM Posted May 25, 2007 at 09:47 PM Pike, Brown, Schuyler, Hancock Didn't I read somewhere that there has been a 5th, other than Henry? Need to know for a letter I am preparing.Hmm--I hadn't heard about any others, but that doesn't mean that there are none.
Mac Posted June 6, 2007 at 12:20 PM Posted June 6, 2007 at 12:20 PM Pike, Brown, Schuyler, Hancock Didn't I read somewhere that there has been a 5th, other than Henry? Need to know for a letter I am preparing.Hmm--I hadn't heard about any others, but that doesn't mean that there are none. Hello, Just to let you all know, Massac county, Union county,and Pope county are working on this resolution. I contacted some people that I worked with in the Dept. of Corrections and told them to copy the Madison County resolution and take it to their county boards. They said that they would. I will keep you all informed. Mac
Molly B. Posted June 6, 2007 at 07:27 PM Posted June 6, 2007 at 07:27 PM The Pro Second Amendment resolution in on the agenda for White County Board's next meeting, 9 a.m. Monday June 11th. I let you know how it goes! Molly B.
45superman Posted June 7, 2007 at 12:39 AM Posted June 7, 2007 at 12:39 AM I'm starting to get fired up. We have Brown, Pike, Schuyler, Hancock, and now Johnson (and now Randolph!) Counties having already adopted some variation of the resolution. Now we have Henry, White, Massac, Pope, Union, and (sort of) Madison at least looking at it. Can someone say "critical mass"?
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