CCW-holder charged with UUW despite showing eFOID

[Euler]

I've got to quote practically the whole story. There's not much fat.

CWBChicago said:→

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Qwentin Howard, a registered gun owner who holds both a Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card and a concealed carry license, alleges in a federal lawsuit that Officers Julian Irving and Sarah Abuosba pulled him over and placed his weapon in his trunk during the stop. Howard claims two bullets were missing when he retrieved the gun from his trunk after the stop.

He then drove to the Wentworth (2nd) District station, 5101 South Wentworth Avenue, to file a report about the missing ammunition. ...

Howard alleges that when he arrived at the station, he met with Irving and Abuosba, along with their supervisor, Officer John Sanders, and informed them he would be recording the interaction to protect himself. Sanders then allegedly ordered Howard to produce a physical FOID card, despite Howard having already shown Irving an electronic version during the traffic stop earlier that day.

When Howard insisted that an electronic card was legally sufficient, as it is under Illinois law, Sanders allegedly told him, "Well, you have a problem now because you're accusing my officers of stealing your bullets."

Howard alleges he apologized if he was mistaken, explaining he simply did not want any bullets linked to him turning up later. Sanders allegedly ordered Irving to detain Howard. Howard was handcuffed and arrested. Abuosba told Howard he was being arrested because he "wanted to escalate the issue and make it bigger than it had to be," the lawsuit claims.

Howard was charged with unlawful use of a weapon for allegedly failing to carry a physical FOID card. The charges were later dismissed, according to the lawsuit.

Howard's suit alleges First Amendment retaliation, malicious prosecution, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. He contends the arrest was punishment for exercising his constitutional right to petition the government by trying to file a police report.

U.S. District Judge Manish Shah ruled this month that Howard's retaliation and malicious prosecution claims may proceed. The judge found it plausible that the officers lacked probable cause to arrest Howard, noting that Irving had already seen Howard's electronic FOID card during the traffic stop and that Illinois law explicitly permits electronic FOID cards. The judge dismissed the intentional infliction of emotional distress claim, finding that while the alleged conduct may have been improper or illegal, it did not rise to the legal threshold of "extreme and outrageous."

Additional thought: How did the police put the firearm in the trunk? "Open the trunk, because exercising your 2nd Amendment rights means you waived your 4th Amendment rights."

[mab22]

What country did this occur in? 

On 3/1/2026 at 4:59 PM, Euler said:

Abuosba told Howard he was being arrested because he "wanted to escalate the issue and make it bigger than it had to be," the lawsuit claims.

 

[soundguy]

It is so easy to carry a FOID/CCL card.

Not all LEO know the rules.

Be prepared.

 

Hope he wins...

 

Cheers,

Tim

[davel501]

They arrested someone that shouldn't have been arrested. How is that not extreme and outrageous? 

[Jeffrey]

Easy payday from two untrained fools.

[John Q Public]

Also, the electronic version of the card is as good as the plastic, as long as there are no other prohibitions. 

[Jeffrey]

On 3/2/2026 at 1:27 PM, John Q Public said:

Also, the electronic version of the card is as good as the plastic, as long as there are no other prohibitions. 

Agreed but, either option is a worthless piece of ID.  Shall not be Infringed, is being infringed.

[soundguy]

On 3/2/2026 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey said:

Agreed but, either option is a worthless piece of ID.  Shall not be Infringed, is being infringed.

 

We live in a time where you must offer immediate proof, of many things.

And you still might be taken away.

 

Ihre Papiere, bitte.

 

Cheers,

Tim

[Jeffrey]

...except to vote.  

[Bubbacs]

We are talking about driving out of your way and wanting to file a complaint about 2 Bullets.  Forget all the other stuff cause if wanting 2 bullets makes you this crazy then maybe he shouldn't have all these permission slips.  He wins, but play stupid games, win stupid prizes  Stop, stop I'm all about 2A but fellas, 2 Bullets?

[soundguy]

On 3/2/2026 at 3:04 PM, Jeffrey said:

...except to vote.  

 

... but they wanna do that, too.

 

Cheers,

Tim

[John Q Public]

On 3/2/2026 at 3:04 PM, Jeffrey said:

...except to vote.  

Buy a drink, go to a R rated movie, buy a license to fish, or hunt, drive a car, buy cigarettes or vape, register a vehicle, drive a vehicle, CDL, and even checkout a book from the library....  You need an ID, but here, you need not have the ID to vote for your President or those who we allow to govern, and you know why? They want all the illegals to have a vote to insure a one party outcome. This is a fact, for any critical thinker, or 8th grader who hasn't been programmed.  Colleges, don't even get me started on those Hitler youth. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2026 at 04:14 PM by John Q Public

[davel501]

On 3/3/2026 at 10:11 AM, John Q Public said:

Buy a drink, go to a R rated movie, buy a license to fish, or hunt, drive a car, buy cigarettes or vape, register a vehicle, drive a vehicle, CDL, and even checkout a book from the library....  You need an ID, but here, you need not have the ID to vote for your President or those who we allow to govern, and you know why? They want all the illegals to have a vote to insure a one party outcome. This is a fact, for any critical thinker, or 8th grader who hasn't been programmed.  Colleges, don't even get me started on those Hitler youth. 

 

 

 

 

 

None of those rights are enshrined in the constitution. 

 

This becomes an unfunded mandate on the states to provide ID for free. I guess you could argue passports are the thing that should be free but either way, that resolves the objection. 

[Jeffrey]

On 3/3/2026 at 11:27 AM, davel501 said:

 

None of those rights are enshrined in the constitution. 

 

This becomes an unfunded mandate on the states to provide ID for free. I guess you could argue passports are the thing that should be free but either way, that resolves the objection. 

My ID I'm forced to carry around cost me $150 just to use my constitutional right.  

[EdDinIL]

On 3/1/2026 at 4:59 PM, Euler said:

Howard alleges he apologized if he was mistaken, explaining he simply did not want any bullets linked to him turning up later.

 

On 3/2/2026 at 3:50 PM, Bubbacs said:

We are talking about driving out of your way and wanting to file a complaint about 2 Bullets.  Forget all the other stuff cause if wanting 2 bullets makes you this crazy then maybe he shouldn't have all these permission slips.  He wins, but play stupid games, win stupid prizes  Stop, stop I'm all about 2A but fellas, 2 Bullets?

 

Could two unfired cartridges, given enough malicious motivation on the part of the CPD, have been used against Howard?  Throw on enough tin foil, and the narrative "Fingerprints on two shell casings recovered from the scene linked the shooting to Howard..."  might be a future reality.

[davel501]

On 3/3/2026 at 11:34 AM, Jeffrey said:

My ID I'm forced to carry around cost me $150 just to use my constitutional right.  

 

Especially that one. 

[John Q Public]

On 3/3/2026 at 11:27 AM, davel501 said:

 

None of those rights are enshrined in the constitution. 

 

This becomes an unfunded mandate on the states to provide ID for free. I guess you could argue passports are the thing that should be free but either way, that resolves the objection. 

I think you missed the point, no you don't need the ID, a birth cert of other proof of being a legal citizen is my point. The proof you are a citizen of the US for any right, is lawful, but not to include a permit to exercise any right, only prove that you are entitled to them by being a USC.