Your Help Needed. . . IllinoisCarry signs on to HPA-Short Act Letter

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:31 PM, ealcala31 said:

So, don't even waste our time voting or supporting a pro-2A republican.

 

/eyeroll

 

Have you looked at the IL district maps recently - specifically the lines drawn in Cook and the collar counties?  Taking control of government requires winning districts.   Pro-gun conservatives are at a big numbers disadvantage in those districts, and that numbers disadvantage is deep enough that it sinks the entire state and gives democrats super majorities.  

 

So you can support all the pro-2A republicans you want, but there aren't enough voters that support those types of candidates where it matters.  

 

So I see 3 options that aren't mutually exclusive paths to pursue.  Get the courts to overturn gun control.  Get the courts to redraw the maps. Run pro-2A candidates that have a chance of flipping deep blue districts. 

 

 

[John Q Public]

On 5/23/2025 at 6:44 AM, mauserme said:

Instead of asking what is the immediate affect for Illinois gun owners, we should look to the bigger picture.

 

As I mentioned above, we need to be chipping away at 2A infringements and making it clear that we expect conservative legislators to protect those rights.

 

Beyond that remember back to achieving concealed carry in Illinois, in part because everyone else had it.  If all or most of the country has access to suppressors, that can help our argument here.

 

 

 

 

 

Also, if you get suppressors back, you take the threaded barrel ban/assault out as well! This would go for rifles and handguns too.

[davel501]

On 5/24/2025 at 5:40 AM, SiliconSorcerer said:

Oppression is hard. 

Following and enforcement of laws is optional clearly that's been proven in Illinois 

 

Turns out you'd still have to do a 4473 under the current bill. Oh well. 

[ealcala31]

On 5/24/2025 at 2:55 PM, davel501 said:

 

Turns out you'd still have to do a 4473 under the current bill. Oh well. 

I was exactly going to say that. According to the way the law is written, it will be treated as a firearm, 4473 required.

[ealcala31]

On 5/24/2025 at 12:19 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

/eyeroll

 

Have you looked at the IL district maps recently - specifically the lines drawn in Cook and the collar counties?  Taking control of government requires winning districts.   Pro-gun conservatives are at a big numbers disadvantage in those districts, and that numbers disadvantage is deep enough that it sinks the entire state and gives democrats super majorities.  

 

So you can support all the pro-2A republicans you want, but there aren't enough voters that support those types of candidates where it matters.  

 

So I see 3 options that aren't mutually exclusive paths to pursue.  Get the courts to overturn gun control.  Get the courts to redraw the maps. Run pro-2A candidates that have a chance of flipping deep blue districts. 

 

 

2A can always win the governors race. Rauner was able to hold off the majority base his whole term. It can be done again. 

[ryr8828]

On 5/24/2025 at 10:07 AM, mikew said:

 

- We all agreed to abide by some rules and guidelines, including but not limited to: -

 

https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?/topic/18164-rules-and-code-of-conduct/

 

 

 

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"Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim"

 

If I'm supposed to endure posts such as the one above made by someone who obviously votes for everyone taking our rights away, You're correct that I don't belong here. 

I'm supposed to vote for higher taxes, for abortion, and against religion. Not going to happen.

 

Have fun with your forum and your power. Maybe David Hogg will sign up next and you can protect him.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2025 at 11:27 PM by ryr8828

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 5/29/2025 at 6:26 PM, ryr8828 said:

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"Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim"

 

If I'm supposed to endure posts such as the one above made by someone who obviously votes for everyone taking our rights away, You're correct that I don't belong here. 

I'm supposed to vote for higher taxes, for abortion, and against religion. Not going to happen.

 

Have fun with your forum and your power. Maybe David Hogg will sign up next and you can protect him.

 

 

 

Soundguy does have a point. 

 

It is time for conservatives to realize that there aren't enough conservatives in the districts that matter to flip the state.  We need to start getting creative, telling people to vote harder doesn't work when the numbers aren't there. 

 

The democrats drew the NE districts to maximize efficiency of their votes while eating up as much republican vote to not have a swing district. My district was solid read for decades, then the new maps overwhelmed the red vote because blue vote from Zion and Waukegan were added.  

 

IL lost representation in the last census, but it was the GOP that lost the seats.    

[mikew]

On 5/29/2025 at 6:26 PM, ryr8828 said:

If I'm supposed to endure posts such as the one above made by someone who obviously votes for everyone taking our rights away, You're correct that I don't belong here. 

I'm supposed to vote for higher taxes, for abortion, and against religion. Not going to happen.

 

Have fun with your forum and your power. Maybe David Hogg will sign up next and you can protect him.

I do not enjoy telling people about decorum on the forum and editing posts. I find it distasteful, yet necessary.
The existence of the rules of conduct is a reason why this forum has remained online into its 3rd decade.

 

I enjoy most of the posts here on the forum.
I often don't agree with soundguy, yet I think he adds value to the discussions here.
I try to see his point of view.

No one is telling you what or who to vote for.  That's strictly up to you.

 

I miss the apparent departure of the other gun owners who didn't post in lockstep with everyone else.

 

 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 5/30/2025 at 10:38 AM, mikew said:

I do not enjoy telling people about decorum on the forum and editing posts. I find it distasteful, yet necessary.
The existence of the rules of conduct is a reason why this forum has remained online into its 3rd decade.

 

I enjoy most of the posts here on the forum.
I often don't agree with soundguy, yet I think he adds value to the discussions here.
I try to see his point of view.

No one is telling you what or who to vote for.  That's strictly up to you.

 

I miss the apparent departure of the other gun owners who didn't post in lockstep with everyone else.

 

I held my tongue on the expression "Religious Baggage", the response would not have been appropriate. 

[rmart]

Religious baggage...
If it weren't for the religious there would BE NO 2nd Amendment. The religious who vote in favor of law and order, justice, individual responsibility, protecting the not-yet-born are the ones who are voting pro 2nd Amendment representatives into office. If it weren't for them we'd have lost our gun rights long ago. There aren't enough pro-gun 'liberals' out there to elect pro-gun decision makers.
I don't understand why the left has such an anti-religious attitude. It's almost like it's a bigot/hatred thing...

The fight between good and evil will be lost by the good until we are willing to admit that the evil exists.

[2smartby1/2]

On 5/24/2025 at 4:16 PM, ealcala31 said:

I was exactly going to say that. According to the way the law is written, it will be treated as a firearm, 4473 required.

Making you own (across the state border of course) would not require a 4473.  
 

 

[ealcala31]

On 5/30/2025 at 4:50 PM, 2smartby1/2 said:

Making you own (across the state border of course) would not require a 4473.  
 

 

I don't know. IL would treat it as a banned firearm. ISP said you can own, you just can't bring it within IL borders. I guess the question would be, is it legal to build your own handgun in a different state. If the answer is yes, then you could. I am wondering how ATF would classify it, would a suppressor be treated as a handgun, long gun, or other.

[Euler]

ATF would probably call a non-NFA suppressor simply a "firearm" (subject to amendments in the bill), kind of like a couple other things already.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

I'm hearing that the Senate Parliamentarian has stripped the HPA stuff from the Big Beautiful Bill.  

 

Not a quote, but she has stated the tax is more regulatory than a budget item and cannot be included in reconciliation.   

 

It is dead unless they fire the current Parliamentarian and replace her. 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 6/27/2025 at 10:14 AM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

I'm hearing that the Senate Parliamentarian has stripped the HPA stuff from the Big Beautiful Bill.  

 

Not a quote, but she has stated the tax is more regulatory than a budget item and cannot be included in reconciliation.   

 

It is dead unless they fire the current Parliamentarian and replace her. 

They can actually just ignore her as well. 

[mab22]

On 6/27/2025 at 10:14 AM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

I'm hearing that the Senate Parliamentarian has stripped the HPA stuff from the Big Beautiful Bill.  

 

Not a quote, but she has stated the tax is more regulatory than a budget item and cannot be included in reconciliation.   

 

It is dead unless they fire the current Parliamentarian and replace her. 

OR..... This is a "K RAZY" idea, but they could just bring it up for a vote in the senate, OR Thune could overrule them, but that wouldn't be in McConnell's playbook, and Thune hasn't the stones to make his own.

OR they just don't like the "icky gun stuff" so hide behind the Parliamentarian thwarting the efforts to enact change, and say aw shucks we tried folks....   

[mab22]

On 5/21/2025 at 11:52 AM, Molly B. said:

IllinoisCarry has signed on to the HPA Short Act letter (see attached PDF).

Please call these 3 numbers of leadership and demand that the HPA  and the SHORT Act be included in the reconciliation bill.

 

Tell them HPA & SHORT Act MUST BE included in the budget!

 

Speaker: (202) 225-4000

 

Majority Leader: (202) 225-3015

 

Majority Whip: (202) 225-2210

 

 

 

 

 

HPA-Short Act letter 20250521 10 AM Final.pdf 150.78 kB · 29 downloads

Is there going to be a round 2 for this as the bill heads back to the house? 

 

[TargetCollector]

If it's been ruled-out from the reconciliation process, I think it's DOA at this point.  We'll have to wait for enough political will to get to 60 votes on this or for SCOTUS to decide to take up meaningful gun cases again.  The latter seems like a particularly long road given that they haven't even touched AWBs that include barrel attachments and pistol braces that are already less controversial than suppressors and SBRs.  

[mab22]

On 7/2/2025 at 10:54 AM, TargetCollector said:

If it's been ruled-out from the reconciliation process, I think it's DOA at this point.  We'll have to wait for enough political will to get to 60 votes on this or for SCOTUS to decide to take up meaningful gun cases again.  The latter seems like a particularly long road given that they haven't even touched AWBs that include barrel attachments and pistol braces that are already less controversial than suppressors and SBRs.  

They are catching flack! 
Now would be the time to pile on and make voices heard, the GOP needs to know how you feel about them striping things like this and HIDING BEHIND THE PARLIAMENTARIAN!

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-gop-faces-rebellion-johnson-scrambles-salvage-trump-tax-bill

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After months of grinding negotiations, late-night Senate rewrites, and bruising intra-party fights, House Republicans are careening toward a moment of reckoning. Speaker Mike Johnson is pressing ahead this week with a vote on the party’s massive reconciliation package — a cornerstone of President Donald J. Trump’s second-term agenda — but signs of fracture within the Republican conference threaten to derail the plan just hours before the vote.

The legislation, a multi-trillion-dollar tax-and-spending overhaul, is the product of months of backroom dealing between House and Senate Republicans. If passed, it would represent the most significant domestic achievement of Trump’s presidency to date. But GOP leaders now face resistance from both flanks of their party, from hardline conservatives warning of fiscal betrayal, and moderates fearing political blowback over health care cuts.

“We’re working through everybody’s concerns and letting them know this is the best possible product we can produce,” Johnson told reporters Wednesday morning, conceding that he does not yet have the votes to pass even the procedural rule required to begin debate on the bill.