Your Help Needed. . . IllinoisCarry signs on to HPA-Short Act Letter

[Molly B.]

IllinoisCarry has signed on to the HPA Short Act letter (see attached PDF).

Please call these 3 numbers of leadership and demand that the HPA  and the SHORT Act be included in the reconciliation bill.

Tell them HPA & SHORT Act MUST BE included in the budget!

Speaker: (202) 225-4000

Majority Leader: (202) 225-3015

Majority Whip: (202) 225-2210

 

 

 

HPA-Short Act letter 20250521 10 AM Final.pdf

[mab22]

What would this do for the residence of Illinoisistan, and the other "istan" states of the US?

I think they already banned all of this didn't they?

 

[RECarry]

Done x2

[ealcala31]

On 5/21/2025 at 12:44 PM, mab22 said:

What would this do for the residence of Illinoisistan, and the other "istan" states of the US?

I think they already banned all of this didn't they?

 

We can still own SBRs w/a C&R License.

[Euler]

On May 21, 2025 at 12:44 PM CDT, mab22 said:→

What would this do for the residence of Illinoisistan, and the other "istan" states of the US?
I think they already banned all of this didn't they?

The federal bills just remove SBRs, SBSs, and silencers from the NFA. Stuff banned by state law is still banned by state law. I don't believe there's any preemption in the federal bills.

[mauserme]

We need to chip away at these infringements anyway we can, just as the other side has chipped away at our rights for decades.  Part of that is pushing the current majority party to not only recognize that these rights matter, but that we expect them to defend them.

 

 

[ealcala31]

On 5/22/2025 at 5:41 AM, mauserme said:

We need to chip away at these infringements anyway we can, just as the other side has chipped away at our rights for decades.  Part of that is pushing the current majority party to not only recognize that these rights matter, but that we expect them to defend them.

 

 

You do a lot of posting on IL Legislation. The only way US Illinoisans can get our 2A rights back, is to vote 2A. Which is basically a Chicago/Cook County problem. How could we convince fellow FOID Card holders to vote for 2A rights? It's sad I'm even asking that question...

Edited May 22, 2025 at 11:16 AM by ealcala31

[davel501]

On 5/22/2025 at 6:15 AM, ealcala31 said:

You do a lot of posting on IL Legislation. The only way US Illinoisans can get our 2A rights back, is to vote 2A. Which is basically a Chicago/Cook County problem. How could we convince fellow FOID Card holders to vote for 2A rights? It's sad I'm even asking that question...

 

The fight has to be at all levels. This is clear direction from Congress that the courts would be expected to take notice of in cases like the one challenging the Illinois suppressor ban. 

[Upholder]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:14 PM, Euler said:

The federal bills just remove SBRs, SBSs, and silencers from the NFA. Stuff banned by state law is still banned by state law. I don't believe there's any preemption in the federal bills.

 

For clarity, HR 1 (The "Big Beautiful Bill") as passed by the House last night does remove Silencers from the NFA, but does not address SBRs or SBSs. 

 

It seems unlikely that the SHORT Act will have the votes required in the Senate to get a Cloture vote and be passed as a separate bill, if it is not added to HR 1 by the Senate.

 

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 5/22/2025 at 8:20 AM, Upholder said:

 

For clarity, HR 1 (The "Big Beautiful Bill") as passed by the House last night does remove Silencers from the NFA, but does not address SBRs or SBSs. 

 

It seems unlikely that the SHORT Act will have the votes required in the Senate to get a Cloture vote and be passed as a separate bill, if it is not added to HR 1 by the Senate.

 

 

Without being included in reconciliation, it has no chance at 60 votes.    

 

My best guess is that the Senate's version of the HR1 - BBB is not going to contain it.  

 

The Senate's Parliamentarian is usually a lot stricter than the one in the House and is bound to toss anything not strictly tax related. So the tax on Silencers could probably go, but that doesn't mean the other regulatory stuff will also be removed.  

 

When the GOP used reconciliation to repeal the tax penalty for not having health insurance, the penalty was removed, but the actual requirement, and all of the other regulations, to have an approved health insurance plan still remains in place. 

 

 

[davel501]

On 5/22/2025 at 1:20 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

Without being included in reconciliation, it has no chance at 60 votes.    

 

My best guess is that the Senate's version of the HR1 - BBB is not going to contain it.  

 

The Senate's Parliamentarian is usually a lot stricter than the one in the House and is bound to toss anything not strictly tax related. So the tax on Silencers could probably go, but that doesn't mean the other regulatory stuff will also be removed.  

 

When the GOP used reconciliation to repeal the tax penalty for not having health insurance, the penalty was removed, but the actual requirement, and all of the other regulations, to have an approved health insurance plan still remains in place. 

 

 

 

I don't know that it's a bad thing. Without the tax the government loses an argument. Their defense has been that's it's just a tax and they are allowed to do that. Without the tax it's a naked infringement. 

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 5/22/2025 at 2:06 PM, davel501 said:

 

I don't know that it's a bad thing. Without the tax the government loses an argument. Their defense has been that's it's just a tax and they are allowed to do that. Without the tax it's a naked infringement. 

 

If it chips away, it chips away, and that is a net positive.  

 

The anti-2A commies have been chipping away at 2A.  If we have to chip away in return I'm okay with that.  

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 5/22/2025 at 6:15 AM, ealcala31 said:

 How could we convince fellow FOID Card holders to vote for 2A rights? It's sad I'm even asking that question...

 

We would need the courts to redistrict IL, or we would need pro-2A democrats to run in the blue districts.  

 

That is harder than it looks because today's DNC is nothing like the DNC of 10-15 years ago.  A "moderate" or independent democrat gets primaried out or loses an open primary every time.   I call it the Sheriff David Clarke strategy.  Run as a democrat and campaign as a leftist, but when in office, be conservative.  

 

 

[soundguy]

On 5/22/2025 at 6:15 AM, ealcala31 said:

How could we convince fellow FOID Card holders to vote for 2A rights? It's sad I'm even asking that question...

 

Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim

[Black Flag]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, soundguy said:

 

Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

Got any?

 

[mauserme]

Instead of asking what is the immediate affect for Illinois gun owners, we should look to the bigger picture.

 

As I mentioned above, we need to be chipping away at 2A infringements and making it clear that we expect conservative legislators to protect those rights.

 

Beyond that remember back to achieving concealed carry in Illinois, in part because everyone else had it.  If all or most of the country has access to suppressors, that can help our argument here.

 

 

 

 

 

[EdDinIL]

Google's AI overview says:

 

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The eight states where individuals are prohibited from owning suppressors are: California, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island. The District of Columbia also prohibits suppressor ownership. 

 

Assuming that list is accurate, those locations will be battling proudly for the title "Last in the Nation", much like Illinois did with concealed carry.

[TargetCollector]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, soundguy said:

 

Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim

This!  1000 times this!  You're simply not getting a majority 2A legislature in this state until we're willing to separate these things, and I've heard way too many people on these forms and in other gun circles in this state insisting they always go together and always will.

[ealcala31]

On 5/22/2025 at 7:30 AM, davel501 said:

 

The fight has to be at all levels. This is clear direction from Congress that the courts would be expected to take notice of in cases like the one challenging the Illinois suppressor ban. 

I agree 100%, all levels. But, what about the voter? We seem to always disregard the IL Gun Owners. It's almost like we accept gun owners in IL to be Democrat and vote for anti-gun Democrats. 

[ealcala31]

On 5/22/2025 at 2:21 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

We would need the courts to redistrict IL, or we would need pro-2A democrats to run in the blue districts.  

 

That is harder than it looks because today's DNC is nothing like the DNC of 10-15 years ago.  A "moderate" or independent democrat gets primaried out or loses an open primary every time.   I call it the Sheriff David Clarke strategy.  Run as a democrat and campaign as a leftist, but when in office, be conservative.  

 

 

So, don't even waste our time voting or supporting a pro-2A republican.

[ealcala31]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, soundguy said:

 

Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim

So, basically, we can't support a pro-2A republican. I guess I would be a no-go with the Trump Sign I have in front of my house.

[ealcala31]

On 5/23/2025 at 6:44 AM, mauserme said:

Instead of asking what is the immediate affect for Illinois gun owners, we should look to the bigger picture.

 

As I mentioned above, we need to be chipping away at 2A infringements and making it clear that we expect conservative legislators to protect those rights.

 

Beyond that remember back to achieving concealed carry in Illinois, in part because everyone else had it.  If all or most of the country has access to suppressors, that can help our argument here.

 

 

 

 

 

That could still be 10yrs down the road...

[ealcala31]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:01 PM, TargetCollector said:

This!  1000 times this!  You're simply not getting a majority 2A legislature in this state until we're willing to separate these things, and I've heard way too many people on these forms and in other gun circles in this state insisting they always go together and always will.

Since no Republicans exist, just forget it.

[ealcala31]

Please tell me, since most of the IL Gun Owners are male, how does pro-life play a significant role in whether an IL Gun Owner will vote for a pro-2A candidate. Do we have that many men who support abortion to the point that they will vote for an anti-2A candidate.

[mauserme]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:42 PM, ealcala31 said:

Please tell me, since most of the IL Gun Owners are male, how does pro-life play a significant role in whether an IL Gun Owner will vote for a pro-2A candidate. Do we have that many men who support abortion to the point that they will vote for an anti-2A candidate.

 

I'm not sure why, but we keep wondering away from the purpose of this thread - IllinoisCarry joining a national  effort to advance our rights, nationally.  It isn't about Illinois specifically, except to to the extant that the Federal bill may eventually help us, and it isn't about Illinois elections at all.

 

 

 

[ealcala31]

On 5/23/2025 at 8:33 PM, mauserme said:

 

I'm not sure why, but we keep wondering away from the purpose of this thread - IllinoisCarry joining a national  effort to advance our rights, nationally.  It isn't about Illinois specifically, except to to the extant that the Federal bill may eventually help us, and it isn't about Illinois elections at all.

 

 

 

I am all for federal rights. As a business man, the more the better. But on a states rights issue, IL is a failure. As far as NFA Items, IL residents are only allowed to own AOWs, that's it. You're required to get an ATF C&R License in order to buy an SBR, and we can't touch SBS, Suppressors, or Machineguns. Only 07 Manufacturers w/SOT & 06 Ammunition Manufacturers can own Suppressors. That's pitiful! We need to clean our own backyard.

 

[davel501]

On 5/23/2025 at 11:07 PM, ealcala31 said:

I am all for federal rights. As a business man, the more the better. But on a states rights issue, IL is a failure. As far as NFA Items, IL residents are only allowed to own AOWs, that's it. You're required to get an ATF C&R License in order to buy an SBR, and we can't touch SBS, Suppressors, or Machineguns. Only 07 Manufacturers w/SOT & 06 Ammunition Manufacturers can own Suppressors. That's pitiful! We need to clean our own backyard.

 

 

Imagine being law enforcement in Illinois if they stop making people do paperwork on suppressors. How would you know if one of your subjects bought one? Oppressin is hard. 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 5/23/2025 at 11:13 PM, davel501 said:

 

Imagine being law enforcement in Illinois if they stop making people do paperwork on suppressors. How would you know if one of your subjects bought one? Oppressin is hard. 

Oppression is hard. 

Following and enforcement of laws is optional clearly that's been proven in Illinois 

[ryr8828]

On 5/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, soundguy said:

 

Run 2A candidates who do not have MAGA, Pro Life or religious baggage.

 

Cheers,

Tim

So you're saying we should run evil godless democrats.

 

No, Mr. Fifth Column.

[mikew]

On 5/24/2025 at 7:39 AM, ryr8828 said:

So you're saying we should run evil godless democrats.

 

No, Mr. Fifth Column.

 

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