Democrats stance on Gun control not likely to change.

[mab22]

I wouldn’t expect to see a change in the Democrats platform with regards to gun control anytime soon.

Mr. D, Hogg was elected to vice chair of the DNC. 
You can read more here. 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/01/gun-control-activist-david-hogg-elected-vice-chair-of-dnc/

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/3307825/david-hogg-wins-election-vice-chair-dnc/

 

 

[Bitter Clinger]

Oh it will change.

 

 

For the worse.

[TomKoz]

Hmmm 🤔,  if righteous citizens were not allowed to have firearms to protect themselves from criminals - THEN we would need a larger tax base, a larger government, and more tax dollars !!  Democrat playbook!

[ealcala31]

I expect '0' changes. The 2nd Amendment was not a campaign issue with either candidates. Pres Trump brought it up a few times, and Vice Pres Harris let everyone know she has a "Glock, maybe," and has probably never shot it. That was the extent of the 2nd Amendment this Presidential cycle. Democrats lost on immigration and the economy. The WH Gun Violence Prevention Office was not even controversial during the Presidential Campaign and in Pres Trump's almost 2 weeks in office he has not made 1 serious move towards gun control. The ATF Zero Tolerance on FFLs is still in effect. What the hey!!!...

[mauserme]

On 2/2/2025 at 10:50 AM, ealcala31 said:

I expect '0' changes. The 2nd Amendment was not a campaign issue with either candidates. Pres Trump brought it up a few times, and Vice Pres Harris let everyone know she has a "Glock, maybe," and has probably never shot it. That was the extent of the 2nd Amendment this Presidential cycle. Democrats lost on immigration and the economy. The WH Gun Violence Prevention Office was not even controversial during the Presidential Campaign and in Pres Trump's almost 2 weeks in office he has not made 1 serious move towards gun control. The ATF Zero Tolerance on FFLs is still in effect. What the hey!!!...

 

Yet, this is about the direction of the mostly anti-gun Democrat party going forward, not a rehash of past elections or an opportunity to wish for greater achievement from a President in office but a few days.

 

Mr. Hogg becoming Vise Chair signals the Democrats' intention to double down on gun control.  They are defining their future intentions for all to see.

 

 

 

 

[BobPistol]

The Democrats stance:

 

We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  We hate guns.  

[mab22]

On 2/2/2025 at 12:09 PM, mauserme said:

 

Yet, this is about the direction of the mostly anti-gun Democrat party going forward, not a rehash of past elections or an opportunity to wish for greater achievement from a President in office but a few days.

 

Mr. Hogg becoming Vise Chair signals the Democrats' intention to double down on gun control.  They are defining their future intentions for all to see.

 

 

 

 

C’mon mauserme!

Trump has only been in office 13 freaking days! He should have started with abolishing the ATF, and all the gun control laws and regulations. THEN Trump can work on crippling the Democratic Party by removing the illegals that are probably guaranteed voters for the commies running the states and local government in the blue states and population centers.🤷‍♂️

 

 

[ealcala31]

Gun control in all the major anti-gun states are untouchable. Conservative media will show states like IL are Conservative all the way up to Chicago, Rockford, Aurora, Peoria, and East STL. But, governors like Pritzker turn the entire state into a strict gun control state and we Illinoisans, especially FOID Card Holders, can't come 2gther and fight back. Instead, WE vote for gun control. Hoosiers beat back Indianapolis and South Bend handily. Now, Democrats do run these 2 cities, but the state voters own the governor's house. It used to be that way in IL. It still can...

[FarmHand357]

Democrats may be forced to realize sooner rather than later that their current position on gun control is a losing issue for them, particularly if they want to try to appeal to moderates/independents...

[ealcala31]

On 2/2/2025 at 9:20 PM, FarmHand357 said:

Democrats may be forced to realize sooner rather than later that their current position on gun control is a losing issue for them, particularly if they want to try to appeal to moderates/independents...

I would like to think that, but this election had nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. Voters changed their vote for Trump because of immigration, inflation, business regulation, etc. We had no real Pro-Gun movement, we really didn't change any votes. Look at IL, better yet Cook County, has the highest amount of FOID Card Holders and the Democratic vote won easily. It sucks

[Yeti]

On 2/2/2025 at 9:20 PM, FarmHand357 said:

Democrats may be forced to realize sooner rather than later that their current position on gun control is a losing issue for them, particularly if they want to try to appeal to moderates/independents...

I’d like to think that as well but there has been no traction to change this stance from within the party in years/decades.  The D voters repeatedly stick with the party and demonstrate that 2A issues are not leading issue when they vote. They vote prioritizing other topics above the 2A. 

[yurimodin]

I just sum it up that these people do not actually believe in the constitution they swore to uphold.

[Upholder]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/04/david-hogg-dnc-election-00202496

[JTHunter]

On 2/2/2025 at 9:00 PM, ealcala31 said:

Gun control in all the major anti-gun states are untouchable. Conservative media will show states like IL are Conservative all the way up to Chicago, Rockford, Aurora, Peoria, and East STL. But, governors like Pritzker turn the entire state into a strict gun control state and we Illinoisans, especially FOID Card Holders, can't come 2gther and fight back. Instead, WE vote for gun control. Hoosiers beat back Indianapolis and South Bend handily. Now, Democrats do run these 2 cities, but the state voters own the governor's house. It used to be that way in IL. It still can...

Wishful thinking, esp. as long as "Jabba" is around. 🤮

[JTHunter]

On 2/2/2025 at 10:39 PM, Yeti said:

I’d like to think that as well but there has been no traction to change this stance from within the party in years/decades.  The D voters repeatedly stick with the party and demonstrate that 2A issues are not leading issue when they vote. They vote prioritizing other topics above the 2A. 

[crufflesmuth]

On 2/3/2025 at 10:38 AM, yurimodin said:

I just sum it up that these people do not actually believe in the constitution they swore to uphold.

 

In the mind of the typical democrat they are upholding the constitution. What they are doing in their mind is simply testing the second amendments limits and bounds. Unless the courts rule otherwise, they will and can ban most firearms, firearm accessories and the like. You cannot expect public officials with qualified immunity to have the same amount of care as those with no qualified immunity. It's like bad cops: they don't care because they are not going to pay out of their own pockets.

 

On 2/2/2025 at 9:00 PM, ealcala31 said:

Gun control in all the major anti-gun states are untouchable. Conservative media will show states like IL are Conservative all the way up to Chicago, Rockford, Aurora, Peoria, and East STL. But, governors like Pritzker turn the entire state into a strict gun control state and we Illinoisans, especially FOID Card Holders, can't come 2gther and fight back. Instead, WE vote for gun control. Hoosiers beat back Indianapolis and South Bend handily. Now, Democrats do run these 2 cities, but the state voters own the governor's house. It used to be that way in IL. It still can...

 

The FOID Act has existed since 1968. It was a compromise and creature of the Evanston-Chicago political machine. That machine still runs most of Cook County politics. Most Illinois voters do not want red state politics. The culture really is that different. Low taxes? that, along with constitutional oaths mean nothing to progressives who still run the core of Democratic politics.

 

J.B Pritzker was elected largely by working class unions: DuPage, Kankakee, Lake County and the like got him into office. It's not just Pritzker. It is also Don Harmon. You have to contend with Oak Park and the mess that it produces which is a little more restrained than Clarendon Hills. If conservatives want to win Illinois they have to understand Oak Park, Northbrook, Evanston and the like have no care for handguns, much less """"assault weapons"""". You can win but your candidate cannot be an obese manager from Wheaton, southern Illinois or all of the above. Until Illinois Union members stop their pickup truck politics, enjoy being a felon for the formerly legal AR-15 you bought. 

 

It will never be about legitimacy. Having a FOID card does not do a person any favors except not being arrested by the police. A FOID card is 100% arbitrary. The progressive California democrats have now mostly occupied state politics, but they are not very welcome in Springfield. If the """"assault weapon"""" ban case is granted cert this fall, Illinois will still be a dysfunctional and largely inhospitable state, with a largely dysfunctional family of towns and cities not always lining up politically on issues like guns and abortion. 

 

The strategy for conservatives needs to go beyond courts. You cannot maintain culture when you have a boomerang son or daughter being unable to form a household, or even family. It's not just the second amendment; it is also the corporate class that has turned a majority of adults in this state into perpetual infantilized children as cost of living and housing is inflated more and more. The real power brokers and stakeholders of this state are those who look beyond a court ruling when evaluating how to win and continue winning. 

 

 

Edited February 5, 2025 at 07:30 PM by crufflesmuth

[yurimodin]

On 2/5/2025 at 1:23 PM, crufflesmuth said:

What they are doing in their mind is simply testing the second amendments limits and bounds.

 

[ealcala31]

On 2/5/2025 at 1:23 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

In the mind of the typical democrat they are upholding the constitution. What they are doing in their mind is simply testing the second amendments limits and bounds. Unless the courts rule otherwise, they will and can ban most firearms, firearm accessories and the like. You cannot expect public officials with qualified immunity to have the same amount of care as those with no qualified immunity. It's like bad cops: they don't care because they are not going to pay out of their own pockets.

 

 

The FOID Act has existed since 1968. It was a compromise and creature of the Evanston-Chicago political machine. That machine still runs most of Cook County politics. Most Illinois voters do not want red state politics. The culture really is that different. Low taxes? that, along with constitutional oaths mean nothing to progressives who still run the core of Democratic politics.

 

J.B Pritzker was elected largely by working class unions: DuPage, Kankakee, Lake County and the like got him into office. It's not just Pritzker. It is also Don Harmon. You have to contend with Oak Park and the mess that it produces which is a little more restrained than Clarendon Hills. If conservatives want to win Illinois they have to understand Oak Park, Northbrook, Evanston and the like have no care for handguns, much less """""assault weapons""""". You can win but your candidate cannot be an obese manager from Wheaton, southern Illinois or all of the above. Until Illinois Union members stop their pickup truck politics, enjoy being a felon for the formerly legal AR-15 you bought. 

 

It will never be about legitimacy. Having a FOID card does not do a person any favors except not being arrested by the police. A FOID card is 100% arbitrary. The progressive California democrats have now mostly occupied state politics, but they are not very welcome in Springfield. If the """""assault weapon""""" ban case is granted cert this fall, Illinois will still be a dysfunctional and largely inhospitable state, with a largely dysfunctional family towns and cities not always lining up politically on issues like guns and abortion. 

 

The strategy for conservatives needs to go beyond courts. You cannot maintain culture when you have a boomerang son or daughter being unable to form a household, or even family. It's not just the second amendment; it is also the corporate class that has turned a majority of adults in this state into perpetual infantilized children as cost of living and housing is inflated more and more. The real power brokers and stakeholders of this state are those who look beyond a court ruling when evaluating how to win and continue winning. 

 

 

That is alot to take in. Just 2 elections ago we had Rauner. Some consider those 2 elections as a lifetime ago. We've had George Ryan, he did come from Kankakee, as you stated above, and Jim Edgar. I'm not sure what we could do with state house and senate elections if the Republican Party won't even try to put up a candidate. As far as the governor's election, that is our shot (pun intended). The "dysfunctional family towns and cities" have done it b4 for other republican candidates, we need to get them aligning again. As Dan Bongino always says, "is it bad enough yet." My opinion, it is...

[mab22]

On 2/5/2025 at 1:23 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

In the mind of the typical democrat they are upholding the constitution. What they are doing in their mind is simply testing the second amendments limits and bounds. Unless the courts rule otherwise, they will and can ban most firearms, firearm accessories and the like. You cannot expect public officials with qualified immunity to have the same amount of care as those with no qualified immunity. It's like bad cops: they don't care because they are not going to pay out of their own pockets.

 

 

The FOID Act has existed since 1968. It was a compromise and creature of the Evanston-Chicago political machine. That machine still runs most of Cook County politics. Most Illinois voters do not want red state politics. The culture really is that different. Low taxes? that, along with constitutional oaths mean nothing to progressives who still run the core of Democratic politics.

 

J.B Pritzker was elected largely by working class unions: DuPage, Kankakee, Lake County and the like got him into office. It's not just Pritzker. It is also Don Harmon. You have to contend with Oak Park and the mess that it produces which is a little more restrained than Clarendon Hills. If conservatives want to win Illinois they have to understand Oak Park, Northbrook, Evanston and the like have no care for handguns, much less """""assault weapons""""". You can win but your candidate cannot be an obese manager from Wheaton, southern Illinois or all of the above. Until Illinois Union members stop their pickup truck politics, enjoy being a felon for the formerly legal AR-15 you bought. 

 

It will never be about legitimacy. Having a FOID card does not do a person any favors except not being arrested by the police. A FOID card is 100% arbitrary. The progressive California democrats have now mostly occupied state politics, but they are not very welcome in Springfield. If the """""assault weapon""""" ban case is granted cert this fall, Illinois will still be a dysfunctional and largely inhospitable state, with a largely dysfunctional family of towns and cities not always lining up politically on issues like guns and abortion. 

 

The strategy for conservatives needs to go beyond courts. You cannot maintain culture when you have a boomerang son or daughter being unable to form a household, or even family. It's not just the second amendment; it is also the corporate class that has turned a majority of adults in this state into perpetual infantilized children as cost of living and housing is inflated more and more. The real power brokers and stakeholders of this state are those who look beyond a court ruling when evaluating how to win and continue winning. 

 

 

I also think that it has to expand beyond 2A, when you talk to people, even the south side poorer neighborhoods you will realize that we agree on LOTS of things like taxes being too high, corruption in our government, damn near oppressive rules and regulations. The problem is that the Republican Party in Illinois has been deemed the problem and a bunch of old rich white racist misogynistic homophobic name all the other ists and phobic’s, and they don’t really know how to fight back, and they want to be Democrap light for the most part. The media is also bought and paid for by the left. 
I think when they loose 20% to 30% of the population, because they were deported, the elections will get closer. 
 

[yurimodin]

On 2/5/2025 at 10:11 PM, mab22 said:

I also think that it has to expand beyond 2A, when you talk to people, even the south side poorer neighborhoods you will realize that we agree on LOTS of things like taxes being too high, corruption in our government, damn near oppressive rules and regulations. The problem is that the Republican Party in Illinois has been deemed the problem and a bunch of old rich white racist misogynistic homophobic name all the other ists and phobic’s, and they don’t really know how to fight back, and they want to be Democrap light for the most part. The media is also bought and paid for by the left. 
I think when they loose 20% to 30% of the population, because they were deported, the elections will get closer. 
 

I think we have seen a tectonic shift with GEOTUS getting 55% of latino men....30+ lead with the youth vote.

[JTHunter]

On 2/5/2025 at 10:11 PM, mab22 said:

I also think that it has to expand beyond 2A, when you talk to people, even the south side poorer neighborhoods you will realize that we agree on LOTS of things like taxes being too high, corruption in our government, damn near oppressive rules and regulations. The problem is that the Republican Party in Illinois has been deemed the problem and a bunch of old rich white racist misogynistic homophobic name all the other ists and phobic’s, and they don’t really know how to fight back, and they want to be Democrap light for the most part. The media is also bought and paid for by the left. 
I think when they loose 20% to 30% of the population, because they were deported, the elections will get closer.

 

In one of the news articles I got tonight that was a compilation of various ILL-ANNOY articles, one was pointing out that Chicago mayor Brandon is down to a 14% approval rating.  Part of that disapproval was hinted at coming from his "too close" involvement with the CTU and the likelihood of a strike in just over a month.

He may end up like "Loonie Lori" and be tossed in the next election.

 

[TomKoz]

Republican Party needs to run candidates in all upcoming Illinois elections for every spot.

 

The time is ripe !!

[Jeffrey]

On 2/6/2025 at 11:06 PM, TomKoz said:

Republican Party needs to run candidates in all upcoming Illinois elections for every spot.

 

The time is ripe !!

We need real Republican candidates.  I don't want an Illinois Rino.  

[Tip]

On 2/7/2025 at 7:52 AM, Jeffrey said:

We need real Republican candidates.  I don't want an Illinois Rino.  

Even if an Illinois Rino is a logical first step to getting real Republican candidates??

it’s much easier to replace an R with an R than a D with an R…..

Edited February 7, 2025 at 02:51 PM by Tip

[Jeffrey]

On 2/7/2025 at 8:50 AM, Tip said:

Even if an Illinois Rino is a logical first step to getting real Republican candidates??

it’s much easier to replace an R with an R than a D with an R…..

It might be a slight advantage having the RINO when it comes to voting on bills although history has knifed us many times.  At least when there is a D in a seat, it does make it easier to show all the wrong decisions they make.  We need real Republicans if we intend to get ahead.

[mikew]

On 2/6/2025 at 11:06 PM, TomKoz said:

Republican Party needs to run candidates in all upcoming Illinois elections for every spot.

 

The time is ripe !!

Can you run for office?

[TomKoz]

On 2/7/2025 at 10:24 AM, mikew said:

Can you run for office?

If I was at least 10 years younger.

[mikew]

On 2/7/2025 at 10:44 AM, TomKoz said:

If I was at least 10 years younger.

OK, Can you walk for office?

 

 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 2/8/2025 at 11:12 AM, mikew said:

OK, Can you walk for office?

After I retire that's a real option, I don't want to earn  income with corruption money.