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HB1374 - Require questions on the safe storage of firearms in a child's home during school physicals

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They will never be satisfied.

 

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the School Code. In provisions concerning health examinations and immunizations, requires questions on the safe storage of firearms in a child's home to be included as a part of each health examination. Requires the Department of Public Health to develop rules and appropriate revisions to the child health examination form to implement this requirement.

 

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=1374&GAID=18&GA=104&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=157313&SessionID=114

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On 1/17/2025 at 12:02 PM, John Q Public said:

Expect that to go something like, does daddy have any guns in the house? Yes, are they stored in a safe? I don't know. Red flag send in the troops to check.

Red flag, as in get an ERPO and send LEOs to get the guns under the new Karina's Law, assuming Pritzker signs it?  I wouldn't put it beyond them.

 

On 1/17/2025 at 11:57 AM, Jeffrey said:

I taught mine very early that we never ever talk to strangers.

Waiting for the trailer bill that mandates DCFS get involved if a child refuses to answer the questions.

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On 1/17/2025 at 1:11 PM, starwatcher said:

Who knew the government would require you to invoke your 5th amendment rights during a doctors visit.

 

Even before this the medical industry has been weaponized against the population.

There was a time I was needing to be HIPAA certified.  What ever happened to that?  Covid was the opposite of the law.

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Isn’t there also something with regards to children can not be interviewed without parents or guardians present?
Maybe attorneys should be required during physicals so that they don’t violate any other rights or ask inappropriate questions?
Sadly I can foresee doctors and medical staff taking the brunt of this because congress is a bunch a wusses that wouldn’t dare do any of this on her own so they get someone to do it for them. COWARDS! 

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On 1/18/2025 at 8:13 AM, mab22 said:

Isn’t there also something with regards to children can not be interviewed without parents or guardians present?
Maybe attorneys should be required during physicals so that they don’t violate any other rights or ask inappropriate questions?

I looked at the existing statute and the text of the proposed legislation.

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=114&GA=104&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=1374&GAID=18&LegID=157313&SpecSess=&Session=

 

I don't have kids and don't remember going through questions as a child.
 

The existing statute has religious exemptions to parts of the exam, that must be documented.
Perhaps this could be stretched to civil rights exemptions.

 

Also, it sounds like the parent or guardian is the one who must answer the questions.

It does not say that correct answers or any answers at all are required.

 

Let's daydream a bit and think of poison-pill questions to be added to the bill in amendments to kill off any support,
in the interest of the safety and mental health of the child. - if it saves just one life...

 

 

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Interviews with LEOs do require a parent, or designated other during interviews. There is no such law for doctors, teachers, etc. It's a way to work around to do something they could not do otherwise. Remember, a doctor or teacher can red flag you, so if they wanted to make any allegation, they could do so without you having a chance to defend yourself. Knock Knock.

 

It's one more way to red flag someone without them having a chance for do process.  

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1. An underage kid should NOT be seeing a doctor with out a parent present. I know the liberal socialist commies think they are everyone parents, but they are not.

 

2. The proper response would be "I don't know". (or something like none of your ----------business. )

 

3. My old doc wouldn't have to ask since he knew us for ever and grew up here. The new guy- who knows.

 

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On 1/18/2025 at 8:58 PM, Euler said:

Any person acting as an agent of the government, even if not directly employed by the government, is subject to the same restrictions as the government.

Good to know.

 

Is anyone filling out a form REQUIRED by the government then acting as an agent of the government?

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If the information collected is redisclosed to the government, then the person is an agent of the government.

if the information collected is held in confidence, then the person is not an agent of the government.

The only exception would be "required reporting" laws, like if someone tells a therapist that they're planning a murder, then the therapist is required to disclose it. Those laws vary by state, but I believe that the therapist would not be considered an agent of the government.

However, in this case, doctors are being directed to ask specific questions. I don't believe that those would be covered by required reporting. Furthermore, since patients are not under arrest, they are not required to be Mirandized. Therefore anything they say could be used against them. They still have the right to remain silent and demand an attorney be present.

So I'd recommend "I don't answer non-medical questions without an attorney" rather than "None of your business" or something similar. It's safer to invoke the 6th Amendment than the 5th Amendment. IANAL
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On 1/18/2025 at 11:06 PM, Euler said:


However, in this case, doctors are being directed to ask specific questions. I don't believe that those would be covered by required reporting.

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The Department of Public Health shall

develop rules and appropriate revisions to the child health

examination form to implement this requirement.

 

The devil is in the details rule making.

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On 1/19/2025 at 5:35 PM, ddan said:

Approximately 1 million physicians in the USA and 250,000 annual deaths from medical mistakes.

Approximately 100,000,000 firearms owners and 45,000 annual firearms deaths including suicide.

Physician: heal thyself.  Your are a much, much larger threat to my wellbeing. Now, butt out.

-dan

 

That's good !!  I'm going to remember that !! 🤣

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On 1/29/2025 at 3:17 PM, Tango7 said:

Taught my kids and grandkids you don't discuss guns, money, electronics or medicine where others can hear you. 

 

Edit": Where Others and Other Devices can hear you". How often have you discussed something out of the ordinary at home and ads appear shortly thereafter?

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