mab22 Posted January 7, 2025 at 08:47 PM Share Posted January 7, 2025 at 08:47 PM https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boebert-introduces-legislation-abolish-atf Quote Rep Lauren Boebert (R-CO), a staunch firearms advocate, has introduced a bill that would abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). The bill, introduced on Jan. 3 when Congress reconvened for its 119th term, remains in the early stages of the legislative process. No text is currently available. In February of 2023, Boebert said: "There's been a lot of talk about defunding the ATF, even abolishing the agency altogether, and I'm still here waiting to hear a good reason why the ATF should remain an agency at all. Instead of providing regulations that keep our communities safe, this agency has made our communities more dangerous by wandering weapons to the cartels. Operation Fast and Furious exposed the recklessness of the ATF, how little regard they have for the rule of law, and Americans have had a hard time viewing these agencies and their rules as legitimate." Boebert isn't the first Republican to suggest doing away with the ATF. In November, Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO) called for the ATF to be abolished, citing numerous "mistakes" by the agency, including Operation Fast and Furious - and vowed to introduce similar legislation to Boebert. The ATF has been accused of regulatory overreach by several gun rights groups - including introducing a rule classifying pistols with braces as short-barreled rifles. In August, the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the stabilizing brace rule was likely unconstitutional, Newsweek reports. Meanwhile, Rep. Pat Fallon (R-TX) said in May of 2023, "Under the Biden administration, the ATF has been weaponized against gun owners and Americans who wish to acquire firearms in numerous ways in recent years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted January 7, 2025 at 09:50 PM Share Posted January 7, 2025 at 09:50 PM She is hot, crazy, and gun toting. My kinda chick. Too bad this doesn't stand a chance as much as I'd like it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted January 7, 2025 at 09:59 PM Share Posted January 7, 2025 at 09:59 PM If we had a free country, Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco would be a chain store, not a government agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted January 9, 2025 at 07:42 PM Share Posted January 9, 2025 at 07:42 PM On 1/7/2025 at 3:59 PM, BobPistol said: If we had a free country, Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco would be a chain store, not a government agency. Aren't there at least a couple of states where the government runs the liquor sales? IIRC, it is one of the Carolinas and Utah. How does that work in those states? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted January 9, 2025 at 08:00 PM Share Posted January 9, 2025 at 08:00 PM On 1/9/2025 at 1:42 PM, JTHunter said: Aren't there at least a couple of states where the government runs the liquor sales? IIRC, it is one of the Carolinas and Utah. How does that work in those states? NH does. IMO so they can keep the control. Ironically you can walk in and walk out on the same visit to purchase a new gun from a gun shop. Tobacco is sold everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 10, 2025 at 04:16 AM Share Posted January 10, 2025 at 04:16 AM On 1/9/2025 at 1:42 PM, JTHunter said: Aren't there at least a couple of states where the government runs the liquor sales? IIRC, it is one of the Carolinas and Utah. How does that work in those states? Ohio. Tangentially: Why are they called ABC stores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundguy Posted January 10, 2025 at 06:07 AM Share Posted January 10, 2025 at 06:07 AM (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 10:16 PM, mikew said: Ohio. Tangentially: Why are they called ABC stores? Alcoholic Beverage Control. Many eastern states, and Utah, have antiquated post-prohibition laws that require alcohol sales to be conducted only by state run entities. And you thought gun laws were a mess... Cheers, Tim Edited January 10, 2025 at 06:08 AM by soundguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted January 10, 2025 at 01:03 PM Share Posted January 10, 2025 at 01:03 PM On 1/10/2025 at 12:07 AM, soundguy said: Alcoholic Beverage Control. Many eastern states, and Utah, have antiquated post-prohibition laws that require alcohol sales to be conducted only by state run entities. And you thought gun laws were a mess... Cheers, Tim Last time I was in Utah they scanned my DL to get a beer, but I was able to turn my 4 horse a carriage around in the street in one sweep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted January 11, 2025 at 06:31 PM Share Posted January 11, 2025 at 06:31 PM I went to Philly to watch a Bears game about 7-8yrs ago and liquor stores cannot sell spirits and beer in the same store. We were like, "where the F' is this, and where the F' is that." Then our buddy, who was born and lived in Philly until his early 20's before he moved to Chicago, told us about spirits and beer. Seems stupid as F' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealcala31 Posted January 11, 2025 at 06:45 PM Share Posted January 11, 2025 at 06:45 PM Looks like Chicago Po-Po supports this too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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