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https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/gun-rights-group-vows-defend-trumps-firearm-permit

 

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“If Donald Trump is further prosecuted for owning firearms, we will offer to defend him and challenge the law," Alan M. Gottlieb, SAF's founder and executive vice president, said in a statement.

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"Donald Trump has no history of violent crime," he said. "There is no historical nexus to deny someone, including Trump, of their gun rights over such a conviction."

 

Can you imagine the anti-gun tears if Trump's name ends up being attached to restoring and expanding 2nd carry rights?

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Is his difficult to obtain NYC Permit to Carry even valid as a resident of Florida? I would think that a state permit would no longer be valid when state residence changed. An Illinois license would not be valid had he been an Illinois resident and relocated to Florida.
 

I don’t know the answer here… Just asking. 

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

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On 6/7/2024 at 11:22 PM, soundguy said:

Is his difficult to obtain NYC Permit to Carry even valid as a resident of Florida? I would think that a state permit would no longer be valid when state residence changed. An Illinois license would not be valid had he been an Illinois resident and relocated to Florida.
 

I don’t know the answer here… Just asking. 

 

New York allows New York business owners (and employees) to obtain carry permits even if they are residents of another state...

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On 6/8/2024 at 9:18 AM, fxdpntc said:

Would the Secret Service allow an individual under their protection to carry a firearm?

The Vice-president Cheney was involved in a hunting accident in 2006. 

Dick Cheney hunting accident - Wikipedia

 

"Next up is Jimmy Carter, probably the most blue collar of our modern presidents. Carter took just 79 days off during his term of office, most of which he spent hunting or fishing, just as he did since childhood growing up in rural Georgia".

Favorite pastime: Past presidents liked to hunt - Farm and Dairy 

 

Obama shot skeet at Camp David. 

Presidents' Guns: Firearms and the Commander-In-Chief (outdoorlife.com)

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On 6/8/2024 at 11:06 AM, Bitter Clinger said:

Didn't Reagan carry a .38 in his briefcase?

 

2016 Article: President Ronald Reagan packed heat.

Google "did ronald reagan carry a gun" to find more articles on Reagan and other Presidents.

 

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Biographer Craig Shirley, on the other hand—a conservative movement activist who has established an identity defying Washington insiders who'd seek to clean up what history might judge as Reagan's extremism—said he'd already confirmed it with the head of Reagan's post-presidential Secret Service detail.

 

Shirley also reports that Reagan had begun the practice after John Hinckley's 1981 assassination attempt, that he "routinely" brought the gun aboard flights on Air Force One and Marine One, that he'd defied both Nancy and the Secret Service to do so ("Who's going to say no to the president?"), and that, though Alzheimer's-ridden, he continued the practice until the Secret Service finally took the gun from him in 1994.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

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On 6/8/2024 at 9:54 AM, Quiet Observer said:

The Vice-president Cheney was involved in a hunting accident in 2006. 

Dick Cheney hunting accident - Wikipedia

 

"Next up is Jimmy Carter, probably the most blue collar of our modern presidents. Carter took just 79 days off during his term of office, most of which he spent hunting or fishing, just as he did since childhood growing up in rural Georgia".

Favorite pastime: Past presidents liked to hunt - Farm and Dairy 

 

Obama shoot skeet at Camp David. 

Presidents' Guns: Firearms and the Commander-In-Chief (outdoorlife.com)


Operative word being “carry”, meaning Concealed Carry, which is what the permit in question would be used for. Not hunting or skeet shooting. 

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On 6/8/2024 at 4:36 PM, fxdpntc said:


Operative word being “carry”, meaning Concealed Carry, which is what the permit in question would be used for. Not hunting or skeet shooting. 

If you mean concealed carry, then specify such. How would the Secret Service forbid their boss from carrying a gun in any fashion? As for a permit, are you saying that the Secret Service enforce a state law?

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On 6/8/2024 at 6:13 PM, Quiet Observer said:

If you mean concealed carry, then specify such. How would the Secret Service forbid their boss from carrying a gun in any fashion? As for a permit, are you saying that the Secret Service enforce a state law?


Well, since the last two words in the thread title are “carry license”, I didn’t think it would be necessary. 
 

Did you know that the SS doesn’t allow current or former presidents to drive on public roads?

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On 6/8/2024 at 11:12 AM, Yeti said:

So even NY is better than IL in that aspect?  Sad

 

On 6/7/2024 at 11:34 PM, Flynn said:

 

New York allows New York business owners (and employees) to obtain carry permits even if they are residents of another state...

New York is a may issue state. 

Penal Code 400.00 prohibits a convicted fellow from obtaining type of handgun license: "(c) who has not been convicted anywhere of a felony or a serious offense or who is not the  subject of an outstanding warrant of arrest issued upon the alleged commission of a felony or serious offense;". 

 

Types Of Pistol Licenses 
Per Section 400.00 (2) of the Penal Code
(a) Premise Dwelling – Have and possess in his dwelling by a householder.
(b) Premise Business – Have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper.
(c) Bank or Express Messenger – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed 
by a banking institution or express company.
(d) Justice of The Supreme Court 1st or 2nd Judicial Dept. or Judge of NYC Civil or Criminal Court –
Have and carry concealed by a justice of the supreme court in the first or second judicial departments, or by a 
judge of the New York City civil court or the New York City criminal court.
(e) Employee Of Corrections – Have and carry concealed while so employed by a regular employee of an 
institution of the state, or of any county, city, town or village, under control of a commissioner of correction 
of the city or any warden, superintendent or head keeper of any state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county 
jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime or held as witnesses in 
criminal cases, provided that application is made therefore by such commissioner, warden, superintendent or 
head keeper.
(f) License to Carry – Have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession.
(g) Antique Pistols – Have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined in section 400.00
subd. 2(i)(ii)(1)(2). 

State Name (handgunlaw.us)

 

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On 6/10/2024 at 9:45 AM, Quiet Observer said:

New York is a may issue state. 

 

New York City has it's own special rules.

A New York State pistol license is not valid within NYC for carry or even possession, unless it has been approved by NYPD.

 

Trump turned in two of his three "registered with NYC" pistols on March 31, 2023, the day before his pistol license was suspended. From that point forward, he can't own/possess a gun, even in Florida, where he supposedly moved the third gun to. I suppose that's why NCPD wants to know where that third gun is.

 

Will SAF sue Florida and the feds to change the law?

 

Interesting times we live in...

 

Cheers,

Tim

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On 6/10/2024 at 8:11 AM, Jeffrey said:

I'm surprised the Chief Commander is required a permit at all.

I assume that you mean Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy. That is not a life position but expires at the end a sitting president's term. 

The new president acquires that position when sworn in.

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On 6/10/2024 at 12:30 PM, SiliconSorcerer said:

I think New Yok/Democrats better think hard on the headlines that will create with the national growing support of people's right to defend themselves. 


I’m sure NY already has considered this and it’s pretty clear where the state legislature and NYC want to be.
 

As for Democrats… not all Democrats are anti gun/anti carry and there are plenty of conservatives who are. It’s not a straight out political affiliation thing. 
 

Cheers,

Tim

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On 6/8/2024 at 3:25 PM, Flynn said:

Yeah, really not much to brag about though, we really need national reciprocity (including honoring 'Constitutional carry') so that rights don't vanish when you cross state lines...

 

Flynn - the problem with a "national reciprocity" is that could possibly be changed by changes in administrations.  Considering how well the feds have done on other programs, it would be better to keep them out of it.

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On 6/10/2024 at 10:02 PM, JTHunter said:

 

Flynn - the problem with a "national reciprocity" is that could possibly be changed by changes in administrations.  Considering how well the feds have done on other programs, it would be better to keep them out of it.

That which .gov giveth, so may it be taken away with the almighty fist of .gov.

 

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On 6/10/2024 at 1:29 PM, soundguy said:

I’m sure NY already has considered this and it’s pretty clear where the state legislature and NYC want to be.
 

As for Democrats… not all Democrats are anti gun/anti carry and there are plenty of conservatives who are. It’s not a straight out political affiliation thing. 

Soundguy, yes it is true that some Democrats like guns (polling last year says that only 12% put gun rights > gun control), but what is straight out is that the Democratic Party platform endorses gun control and there is no wavering there.  The Republican Party platform is still pro gun.   Every D vote puts other issues before gun rights while endorsing the anti gun Democratic party platform.  Every D vote necessitates that we remain here fighting this fight as long as gun control is in the platform.  There is no sign that the people who like guns (but vote for the gun control party) can change the D party from within on the gun issue.

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On 6/10/2024 at 10:02 PM, JTHunter said:

 

Flynn - the problem with a "national reciprocity" is that could possibly be changed by changes in administrations.  Considering how well the feds have done on other programs, it would be better to keep them out of it.

 

I understand that, but there is really no other viable alternative is there?

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On 6/11/2024 at 1:26 PM, Flynn said:

 

I understand that, but there is really no other viable alternative is there?

This would not automatically allow felons to possess firearms. It would still be against federal law. 

While some people would support allowing nonviolent felons to possess firearms, support for violent felons is much weaker.

Many states that have permit less carry still prohibit felons from possessing. 

Permitless_Carry_States.pdf (handgunlaw.us)

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On 6/11/2024 at 4:54 PM, Quiet Observer said:

This would not automatically allow felons to possess firearms. It would still be against federal law. 

While some people would support allowing nonviolent felons to possess firearms, support for violent felons is much weaker.

Many states that have permit less carry still prohibit felons from possessing. 

Permitless_Carry_States.pdf (handgunlaw.us)

 

Huh?  I never said it would allow felons to posses firearms...

 

"National reciprocity" would simply allow a non-prohibited person who was allowed to carry in their state, to also carry across state lines without being in violation of differing state or even town or city laws... Of course, national reciprocity would not grant the right to possess and carry to prohibited people, that is an entirely different subject well beyond forcing other state to honor the carry rights of non-residents in the same every other right doesn't vanish when you cross a state line...

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