Firefight when CCL-holder tracks stolen car

[mikeyk101]

On 1/30/2024 at 7:45 PM, Tip said:

Whether the owner had insurance or not is irrelevant.
Carjackers always drive without insurance.
Since the owner didn’t grant permission their insurance doesn’t cover the carjacker, unless the carjacker had insurance to specifically cover him driving any other car regardless of whether he had permission or not (absolutely unlikely - even if he has good insurance it’d only cover him driving a car WITH permission) then said carjacker would be driving without insurance. 

Another valid point. 

 

 

And I think this brings up another point. The only connection to the damaged store front the victim has is that his vehicle was used to cause the damage. By having his vehicle stolen from him, he obviously didn't give the criminals permission to be operating the vehicle and they alone would be responsible for crashing the vehicle into the storefront. The liability would be removed from the original victim. Not sure why that didn't originally jump out at me. 

 

One question, you mention carjackers several times in your comment. I wasn't aware that this was a carjacking but rather a theft. Was this indeed a carjacking?

[Mr. Fife]

On 1/29/2024 at 7:36 AM, max503 said:

Don't go someplace with a gun that you wouldn't go to without a gun.  

Wut?

[Black Flag]

On 1/29/2024 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey said:

a couple holes is an easy fix. 

Besides, it looks cool and no one will fork with you.

[Jeffrey]

On 2/2/2024 at 9:25 PM, Black Flag said:

Besides, it looks cool and no one will fork with you.

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[Wild Bill]

On 1/29/2024 at 8:58 AM, max503 said:

 

But they became the aggressors and that's all I got to say about it.  Good day.

Sorry Max, you're wrong and Mikey is right. 

They were shot at so they were defending themselves.

They didn't go there to shoot someone, they went there to get their car back.

Sounds like Max never leaves home with his firearm.

[Smallbore]

On 2/13/2024 at 12:45 PM, Wild Bill said:

Sorry Max, you're wrong and Mikey is right. 

They were shot at so they were defending themselves.

They didn't go there to shoot someone, they went there to get their car back.

Sounds like Max never leaves home with his firearm.

I am under the impression we the victim can not bypass the police and the courts to get our stuff back. I hope we can legally track our stolen property but once found we are required to let the police take it further. The legal term escapes me.

Wisdom tells me walking into a gun fight over a car is not smart.

[Euler]

You might be thinking of vigilantism, which is not actually illegal, although a lot of things vigilantes do are illegal.

For example, if someone breaks into your home to steal your TV, you cannot legally break into their home to take it back. You absolutely can legally knock on their door and tell them you want it back. Whether it's a good idea to do that is a separate issue.

[Smallbore]

On 2/14/2024 at 12:02 PM, Euler said:

You might be thinking of vigilantism, which is not actually illegal, although a lot of things vigilantes do are illegal.

For example, if someone breaks into your home to steal your TV, you cannot legally break into their home to take it back. You absolutely can legally knock on their door and tell them you want it back. Whether it's a good idea to do that is a separate issue.

I had to search the web finally finding it mentioned then digging deeper.

"Self help"

Laws limit it. Wisdom does too.