What to do with handguns that have magazines that hold more than 15 rounds now?

[OTR Trucker]

Does anyone know the requirements of the new Illinois "assault weapon" and magazine ban law are as far as it pertains to handguns ? Do we have to register our Glock 17s. Is it still legal to own them since they have a 17 round magazine? What about concealed carry? It seems that even the gun dealers have contradicting opinions about the new law.

[Euler]

Handguns are not illegal and mostly do not need to be registered.

If they take magazines that hold more then 15 rounds, you cannot carry them concealed unless you do so with magazines that hold 15 rounds or less.

If they have a threaded barrel or an integral flash hider, then they do have to be registered or the threaded barrel/integral flash hider has to be replaced with a non-threaded barrel without a flash hider.

You can still use "high capacity" (I.e., standard capacity) magazines for home defense and at the range, although they have to be transported unloaded.

Additionally: You cannot sell your existing 16+ magazines (within the state) nor may you buy more.

Edited December 24, 2023 at 03:18 AM by Euler

[BradS]

On 12/23/2023 at 9:14 PM, Euler said:

Handguns are not illegal and mostly do not need to be registered.

If they take magazines that hold more then 15 rounds, you cannot carry them concealed unless you do so with magazines that hold 15 rounds or less.

If they have a threaded barrel or an integral flash hider, then they do have to be registered or the threaded barrel/integral flash hider has to be replaced with a non-threaded barrel without a flash hider.

You can still use "high capacity" (I.e., standard capacity) magazines for home defense and at the range, although they have to be transported unloaded.

Additionally: You cannot sell your existing 16+ magazines (within the state) nor may you buy more.
 

Thanks Euler for clearing that up!

 

I used to shoot USPSA pistol matches.  There are divisions which you sign up for based on the gun you shoot.

 

A typical USPSA (or Steel Challenge) Open Division gun would look like this:

 

 

That gold colored part on the right is a muzzle brake / compensator.

 

Those compensators normally would thread onto the barrel.

 

I guess the only other way would be to weld one onto a barrel.  Or have a milled from one piece barrel and integral compensator.

 

The “big stick” magazines could hold up to 28 or 29 rounds of 9mm Major.

 

So, in effect, USPSA (and Steel Challenge) Open division just got killed off in Illinois???

Edited December 24, 2023 at 05:57 PM by BradS

[Weed]

Don’t have time to look it up now but I was sure the computation shooters had a expedition, of course the final version could have taken it out.

[BradS]

On 12/24/2023 at 12:08 PM, Weed said:

Don’t have time to look it up now but I was sure the computation shooters had a expedition, of course the final version could have taken it out.

Yeah, I vaguely remember seeing an exception for competition shooters also.

 

About the only time I am on a real computer any more is at work.  The search function for .pdf’s works way better on a real computer than on my smart phone.  So the last time I looked there was a “carve out” for Olympic shooters and/or coaches and something about the Shooting Complex in Sparta.

[Stratomaster18]

The threaded barrel part does not apply if the  gun shoots .22lr. For example the s&w .22 compact comes standard with a threaded barrel I believe, but it would not need to be registered since it’s a .22. 

[Chinto]

Per the linked video below at time stamp 4;30 thru 6;00 minutes.    Since registration is only required for a flash hider and not for muzzle break or compensators (according to ISP) would a threaded barrel rifle with an attached linear compensator need registered so long as the compensator is never removed since the attachment is not a flash hider?   

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMW8lTDcug

[davel501]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:16 PM, Stratomaster18 said:

The threaded barrel part does not apply if the  gun shoots .22lr. For example the s&w .22 compact comes standard with a threaded barrel I believe, but it would not need to be registered since it’s a .22. 

 

What is your source for this? 

[davel501]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:26 PM, Chinto said:

Per the linked video below at time stamp 4;30 thru 6;00 minutes.    Since registration is only required for a flash hider and not for muzzle break or compensators (according to ISP) would a threaded barrel rifle with an attached linear compensator need registered so long as the compensator is never removed since the attachment is not a flash hider?   

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMW8lTDcug

 

Nobody has been prosecuted yet so hard to say. Pin and weld would be the safest but that makes things like Glocks hard to disassemble. 

 

Rockset might be another option depending on the instructions you follow to remove it. 

[BradS]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:26 PM, Chinto said:

Per the linked video below at time stamp 4;30 thru 6;00 minutes.    Since registration is only required for a flash hider and not for muzzle break or compensators (according to ISP) would a threaded barrel rifle with an attached linear compensator need registered so long as the compensator is never removed since the attachment is not a flash hider?   

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMW8lTDcug

It must be a glitch in the Matrix, but that link takes me right back to this thread.

 

I even tried to do a cut and paste.

 

Same thing.

 

 

[BradS]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:39 PM, davel501 said:

 

Nobody has been prosecuted yet so hard to say. Pin and weld would be the safest but that makes things like Glocks hard to disassemble. 

 

Rockset might be another option depending on the instructions you follow to remove it. 

“The process is the punishment.”

 

Illinois law allows for people to be detained in jail for up to 72 hours WITHOUT being charged.

 

Would most people get fired from their work if they missed 3 days?

 

Would most people get fired from their work if they had to tell their boss or HR that they were going to be missing work because they were in jail and went on to tell them that they haven’t been charged yet?

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:16 PM, Stratomaster18 said:

The threaded barrel part does not apply if the  gun shoots .22lr. For example the s&w .22 compact comes standard with a threaded barrel I believe, but it would not need to be registered since it’s a .22. 

 

The caliber does not make an exception. Any semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and has one of more of the """assault weapon""" attachments (Including a threaded barrel) are now banned.

 

 

Like the Ruger MkIV 22/45 with threaded barrel. No longer legal for sale in Illinois and would require a disclosure Affidavit to possess legally.

 

VooDoo

 

Edited December 24, 2023 at 10:20 PM by Vodoun da Vinci

[Chinto]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:26 PM, Chinto said:

Per the linked video below at time stamp 4;30 thru 6;00 minutes.    Since registration is only required for a flash hider and not for muzzle break or compensators (according to ISP) would a threaded barrel rifle with an attached linear compensator need registered so long as the compensator is never removed since the attachment is not a flash hider?   

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMW8lTDcug

I re-linked the YouTube video.   Hopefully it will work this time.      -     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNMW8lTDcug

[mauserme]

On 12/24/2023 at 4:16 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

 

The caliber does not make an exception. Any semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and has one of more of the """assault weapon""" attachments (Including a threaded barrel) are now banned.

 

 

Like the Ruger MkIV 22/45 with threaded barrel. No longer legal for sale in Illinois and would require a disclosure Affidavit to possess legally.

 

VooDoo

 

 

 

In some ways ISP has played fast and loose with the way they're interpreting the law.  For example, they were requiring a record of ammunition calibers purchased even though the law does not allow that.

 

Any idea if that flow chart comports exactly with the law as written, or did they just make some of it up?

 

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 12/24/2023 at 8:16 PM, mauserme said:

 

 

In some ways ISP has played fast and loose with the way they're interpreting the law.  For example, they were requiring a record of ammunition calibers purchased even though the law does not allow that.

 

Any idea if that flow chart comports exactly with the law as written, or did they just make some of it up?

 

 

 

 In my opinion they are making stuff up as they go along. I have not seen anything I remember in writing that makes an exception for .22 - if it is semiauto and has one or more attachments then it needs to have a disclosure affidavit filled out or possession, regardless of caliber, is illegal after Jan. 1. That much seems pretty clear to me unlike a lot of the rules.

 

VooDoo

[davel501]

On 12/24/2023 at 4:01 PM, BradS said:

“The process is the punishment.”

 

Illinois law allows for people to be detained in jail for up to 72 hours WITHOUT being charged.

 

Would most people get fired from their work if they missed 3 days?

 

Would most people get fired from their work if they had to tell their boss or HR that they were going to be missing work because they were in jail and went on to tell them that they haven’t been charged yet?

Yep. A few people will get absolutely hammered by this. There are quite a few threads covering all of this. I know I've talked about how I'm handling my staccato xc - the replacement for the dvc open more than once. 

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

Play it safe if you live or travel in a blue county that will enforce PICA.  The vagueness of the law is being used against us contrary to what even the ISP has in their FAQ. 

 

The Lake County State's Attorney is claiming we have to register high capacity mags and that not doing so is a crime.  

 

I will not be traveling to the range with anything over 10 or 15.   

 

If you have any doubts error on the side of extreme caution. 

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 12/24/2023 at 10:07 PM, davel501 said:

Yep. A few people will get absolutely hammered by this. There are quite a few threads covering all of this. I know I've talked about how I'm handling my staccato xc - the replacement for the dvc open more than once. 

 

I can't remember if I mentioned this to you already.  You can get 15 rounders for the XC from Staccato.  I believe there is a company that makes +0 mag extensions for them as well so you can keep the magwell on the pistol.  

 

I was looking at buying an XC.  I understand that the comp is machined with the barrel and not threaded on?  

[davel501]

On 12/24/2023 at 10:12 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I can't remember if I mentioned this to you already.  You can get 15 rounders for the XC from Staccato.  I believe there is a company that makes +0 mag extensions for them as well so you can keep the magwell on the pistol.  

 

I was looking at buying an XC.  I understand that the comp is machined with the barrel and not threaded on?  

 

You did mention it when I complained about the 10 rounders. I don't think they make 15s for the xc. I found 16s and 10s on the small side.

 

The comp does appear to be permanently attached to the barrel. It has some notches that look like you could get a tool in to take off the barrel but everyone says the barrel and comp are a single unit. I probably should email Staccato customer service just to be sure. 

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 12/24/2023 at 10:19 PM, davel501 said:

 

You did mention it when I complained about the 10 rounders. I don't think they make 15s for the xc. I found 16s and 10s on the small side.

 

The comp does appear to be permanently attached to the barrel. It has some notches that look like you could get a tool in to take off the barrel but everyone says the barrel and comp are a single unit. I probably should email Staccato customer service just to be sure. 

 

https://staccato2011.com/products/15-round-double-stack-9mm-magazines  You select the option for the 126mm length mags.  Then you need to get the extensions so the base of the mag sticks out below the mag well. Just make sure the extensions are +0 and don't let you add more rounds.  If Staccato doesn't sell +0 extended baseplates I think Taran Tactical does.  

 

126mm are flush fit for the full size grip of P, XL and XC models.  

 

ALSO:

 

You can also buy 15 round 126mm AND 140mm mags from MBX.    These are pricey, but you've spent serious $$$ on an XC. The 140mm are more compatible with the magwell on your XC.   

 

Options for 126 and 140.  

 

https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_15Round_Defender

 

[MagSlap]

Sent from....not Illinois...

 

 

[davel501]

On 12/24/2023 at 10:40 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

https://staccato2011.com/products/15-round-double-stack-9mm-magazines  You select the option for the 126mm length mags.  Then you need to get the extensions so the base of the mag sticks out below the mag well. Just make sure the extensions are +0 and don't let you add more rounds.  If Staccato doesn't sell +0 extended baseplates I think Taran Tactical does.  

 

126mm are flush fit for the full size grip of P, XL and XC models.  

 

ALSO:

 

You can also buy 15 round 126mm AND 140mm mags from MBX.    These are pricey, but you've spent serious $$$ on an XC. The 140mm are more compatible with the magwell on your XC.   

 

Options for 126 and 140.  

 

https://mbxextreme.com/index.php?page=Magazines_15Round_Defender

 

 

126 is actually good for carry. I can still run the big mags I have at the range. I just spent $80 each on the 10s so $100 each on the 15s doesn't sound terrible until I think about how many glock mags I could get 🤣🤣😭. 

[TomKoz]

This whole PICA thing is FUBAR!

We know it.  They know it.

All meant to jack us law abiding citizens up.

SCOTUS needs to Finally clarify and Rule - favorably on our side I may add - on “Shall Not Be Infringed”.  Plain and simple.  In “legal speak” I’m guessing - can’t be any clearer!

Bruen gets us close.

I don’t think “shall not be infringed” ever challenged. 
Focus on “Shall not be Infringed”.

 

[TomKoz]

Is a year 1,600 year law an infringement?

is a year 1,700 year law an infringement?

is a year 1,800 year law an infringement?

is a year 1,900 year law an infringement?

 

UN-Constitutional then by plain text and meaning!

 

Unconstitutional laws are not enforceable.

 

dot.gov will do all they can to jack you though!!

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I'm taking the whole PICA thing as well as other Life changes to reduce my "collection" and concentrate on carry pistols. For my Beretta Px4 carry guns I just purchased 15 round magazines for the full size and magazine adapters so the 15 round full size mags integrate seamlessly with my Px4 Subcompact. So while PICA seemed designed to limit my carry capacity (how a 15 round mag makes anyone safer than a 17 round mag still boggles my mind....) from 17 down to 15, the 15 round mags now give me added capacity over the original 13 round mags for the subcompact.

 

 

So when i carry my full size with 15+1 and my subcompact as a backup with 15+1 plus an extra 15 round mag I get 47 rounds as opposed to 17+1, 13+1 and a 17 round spare mag with 49 total rounds. So a lot a mish mash BS just to only limit me by 2 rounds. I'm sure everyone will be a lot safer now which should make Mom's and Pritzker happy.

 

VooDoo

[mauserme]

On 12/25/2023 at 11:20 AM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

I'm taking the whole PICA thing as well as other Life changes to reduce my "collection" and concentrate on carry pistols. For my Beretta Px4 carry guns I just purchased 15 round magazines for the full size and magazine adapters so the 15 round full size mags integrate seamlessly with my Px4 Subcompact. So while PICA seemed designed to limit my carry capacity (how a 15 round mag makes anyone safer than a 17 round mag still boggles my mind....) from 17 down to 15, the 15 round mags now give me added capacity over the original 13 round mags for the subcompact.

 

So when i carry my full size with 15+1 and my subcompact as a backup with 15+1 plus an extra 15 round mag I get 47 rounds as opposed to 17+1, 13+1 and a 17 round spare mag with 49 total rounds. So a lot a mish mash BS just to only limit me by 2 rounds. I'm sure everyone will be a lot safer now which should make Mom's and Pritzker happy.

 

VooDoo

 

A lot of folks who have the greatest need for carry aren't able to afford to just go buy a bunch of new magazines, especially around Christmas.  Anti-gun laws have always had a disparate effect against the least fortunate in our society.  This one, by design, is no exception.

 

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 12/25/2023 at 11:44 AM, mauserme said:

 

A lot of folks who have the greatest need for carry aren't able to afford to just go buy a bunch of new magazines, especially around Christmas.  Anti-gun laws have always had a disparate effect against the least fortunate in our society.  This one, by design, is no exception.

 

 

Completely agreed. My heart goes out to those concealed carry aficionados in need of adapting to this PICA travesty and not having the available funds to make it happen. Yes - by design.

 

VooDoo

[DoYouFeelLucky]

I am surprised there isn't a class-action lawsuit against the IL legislature for causing harm to IL citizens who had to make purchases to preserve their rights and whose prior purchases now have diminished value.

[Euler]

On December 25, 2023 at 11:20 AM CST, Vodoun da Vinci said:→

... how a 15 round mag makes anyone safer than a 17 round mag still boggles my mind....

Restricting magazine size to 15 rounds stops law-abiding people from murdering more than 15(+1) children before reloading.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

Sinister intentions.

 

Collectivists hate individualism.  They want everyone dependent on the collective. Being able to defend oneself makes them not dependent on the collective. It is why they hate guns so much.  It has nothing to do with crime.

 

If crime was their worry, then all the gangbangers would be priority number one. Instead, they are allowed to walk time and time again and law abiding gun owners are their top priority.