mauserme Posted November 5, 2023 at 11:42 PM Share Posted November 5, 2023 at 11:42 PM It has become appearant the the folks representing ISP just don't get it. They just don't see that people want to understand the Protect Illinois Communities Act. They want to understand and have input in the rule making process. They want more than the FAQs, FAQs that ISP itself says are not exhaustive. FAQs that will mean nothing for a defendant charged with violating PICA. Yet, FAQs is all they have to offer. Today is the third of the three scheduled PICA hearings, at 9:30 AM. Meeting details can be found in this ISP publication. The WebEx feed, such as it is, can be found here (password = fdHGXTNc838). We plan to follow the action on BlueRoomStream if a feed becomes available since this has proven to be the only reliable source of audio. As of this posting, no meeting is shown and reference to past hearings is gone. Fear not. We have links to the archives: 11/2/2023 BlueRoomStream Archive 11/3/2023 BlueRoomStream Archive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted November 6, 2023 at 12:32 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 12:32 PM Looks like the attorney representing ISP at these has the job cuz of her dad and she’s not listed on the IL BAR https://www.gunssavelife.com/2023/11/05/more-on-suzanne-bond-illinois-state-polices-polly-want-a-cracker-parrot/ Searching the BAR, this comes up But it’s not her, it’s a healthcare attorney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:13 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:13 PM Good turnout this morning. However, we see no microphones in the room. They say the laptop webex will be recording the hearing... will people in the room will be able to hear??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:31 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:31 PM On 11/6/2023 at 9:13 AM, Molly B. said: Good turnout this morning. However, we see no microphones in the room. They say the laptop webex will be recording the hearing... will people in the room will be able to hear??? The meeting started - just got audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:32 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:32 PM She opens with references to the ISP site, "including numerous FAQs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:43 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:43 PM More FAQs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:43 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:43 PM Ed Sullivan of ISRA is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:47 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:47 PM Mr. Sullivan refers to the law as "deeply flawed". Question 1 is in regard to private security. A FOID endorsement is not needed to possess a banned forearm while engaged in their employment, but they typically own those weapons. Is that a violation. Question 2: Is it a violation to train with these firearms. Answer: Yes, as the rules are currently drafted they would be in violation. ISP intends to address this with JCAR and, within statutory authority, address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:52 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:52 PM He bluntly states that he doesn't know why anyone would comply with this act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:53 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:53 PM Valinda Rowe of IllinoisCarry.com is now up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:56 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:56 PM Question 1: Regarding current and retired LEO who may be exempt from the purchase ban - are they also exempt from registration? Answer: ISP will accept registration even after the 1/1/ window closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpdesk9 Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:57 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:57 PM On 11/6/2023 at 6:32 AM, steveTA84 said: Looks like the attorney representing ISP at these has the job cuz of her dad and she’s not listed on the IL BAR https://www.gunssavelife.com/2023/11/05/more-on-suzanne-bond-illinois-state-polices-polly-want-a-cracker-parrot/ Searching the BAR, this comes up But it’s not her, it’s a healthcare attorney https://illinoiscomptroller.gov/financial-reports-data/data-sets-portals/salary-database/employee-history?Issue_Year=2023&EmpId=kDqjhhN2bXUgmiz5%2F24nbQ%3D%3D&Agency=DEPARTMENT%20OF%20STATE%20POLICE&Last_Name=BOND&First_Name=SUZANNE&Position= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:58 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 03:58 PM Question 2: Regarding FAQ #45 - magazines that are readily converted. How does ISP justify ignoring the readily converted language? Answer: ISP will be working with JCAR on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:00 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:00 PM Question #3: FOID cards are not required to possess AirSoft items, yet many of these are banned. How will registration work for non-FOID holders? Answer: You do not need a FOID card to register, but they will be working with JCAR on AirSoft items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:00 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:00 PM The audio is getting bad - multiple speakers at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:02 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:02 PM Ms. Rowe questions ISP officers' willingness to enforce a clearly unconstitutional law. We know "citizens of Illinois are going to wholesale ignore it". She encourages them to put our resources into protecting us from mentally deranged people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:03 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:03 PM Audio is gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:04 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:04 PM Dan Eldridge of FFL- IL is now up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:04 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:04 PM He asks if the FAQs are static or additive. Ms. Bond states that they are additive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:06 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:06 PM He points out that FAQ 6 states that repairs must be done through an FFL but, as an FFL, he cannot sell the parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:07 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:07 PM He also address FAQ 9, 25, 26 but there's an echo that's so bad I can't make things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:09 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:09 PM He points out that FFLs are prohibited from maintaining an inventory of banned items for sale, yet there is no prohibition on out of state sales that would require an inventory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:11 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:11 PM He reads the ISP definition of a buffer tube as allowing the firearm to be shouldered. He points out that a buffer tube is designed to allow the bolt to function and shouldering the buffer tube would be painful. It is not the design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:14 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:14 PM I'm away for just a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:15 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:15 PM A speaker who sounds like Darren Baily asks if they are prepared to lock up millions of people who just want to protect themselves and their families. He demands transparency and respect for the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:17 PM Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 04:17 PM The meeting has come to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted November 6, 2023 at 05:22 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 05:22 PM Yes, it was Darren Bailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted November 6, 2023 at 05:37 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 05:37 PM On 11/6/2023 at 10:15 AM, mauserme said: A speaker who sounds like Darren Baily asks if they are prepared to lock up millions of people who just want to protect themselves and their families. He demands transparency and respect for the Constitution. This is like trying to do hostage negotiations with a rabid animal.......everyone with a bit of sense knows that rights & the constitution mean nothing to these tyrannical communists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted November 6, 2023 at 09:29 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 09:29 PM https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_372bd552-7ce5-11ee-b110-bbc87c8c25d4.html?utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0AJCOjH0fjOwFfWpb5sZ4P9Amy2JxDI4XJhI4tQpDZTxuPyaOyZUum6io Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollarbilme Posted November 6, 2023 at 10:09 PM Share Posted November 6, 2023 at 10:09 PM Is there a link for a recording of today's hearing? I checked this morning and it wasn't on Blueroom today. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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