Illinois now tracking the Caliber of ammunition you buy.

[mab22]

Illinois now appears to be tracking the type of ammunition that you buy. I wonder why?

Why would you buy .223/5.56 or 7.62 and not have something at home in that caliber that you didn't register?
Maybe your just bringing it over to resupply what you used from outing with your friend?

.308 and 6.5 Creedmore might be a bolt action or "Other" type of rifle.

Be smart my friends.
 

You can see the video here.

https://www.facebook.com/voodoofirearms/videos/858401285610577/

 

[mauserme]

Henry single shot .223/5.56 break open rifle.

[countyline]

My ruger bolt action is 223 as well, and no one does background checks on ammo purchases other than checking the FOID - downstate anyway.

[lawman]

I have a Remington 700 chambered in .223.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Lots of things chambered in .223 and 6.5 and .308 that isn't an AR. Here's my question - if they have a "person of interest" who has not registered  any Assault Weapons but they have done the legwork and know that this person has submitted 2 dozen 4473's for AR/M4 rifles over the past 10 years *and* is now purchasing .223/5.56 ammuntion might this not be enough evidence, with the right judge, to get a search warrant for those guns known to have been transferred to this person?

 

I'm just asking.

 

VooDoo 

[solareclipse2]

Who's buying ammunition in IL?

[mab22]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:26 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

Lots of things chambered in .223 and 6.5 and .308 that isn't an AR. Here's my question - if they have a "person of interest" who has not registered  any Assault Weapons but they have done the legwork and know that this person has submitted 2 dozen 4473's for AR/M4 rifles over the past 10 years *and* is now purchasing .223/5.56 ammuntion might this not be enough evidence, with the right judge, to get a search warrant for those guns known to have been transferred to this person?

 

I'm just asking.

 

VooDoo 

What makes you think they NEED a warrant, they just wanna talk to you/someone.

 

 

 

[G214me]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:26 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

Lots of things chambered in .223 and 6.5 and .308 that isn't an AR. Here's my question - if they have a "person of interest" who has not registered  any Assault Weapons but they have done the legwork and know that this person has submitted 2 dozen 4473's for AR/M4 rifles over the past 10 years *and* is now purchasing .223/5.56 ammuntion might this not be enough evidence, with the right judge, to get a search warrant for those guns known to have been transferred to this person?

 

I'm just asking.

 

VooDoo 

That would be a lot of legwork for just one person possibly breaking the law. This state and the ISP may not have the funding and man power to do something like that. I would hope a judge would consider that those weapons may be stored and used out of state or the ammo may be for a bolt gun. Another good reason for someone that doesn't register to store the items out of state or NOT at their address.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 10/6/2023 at 3:18 PM, G214me said:

That would be a lot of legwork for just one person possibly breaking the law. This state and the ISP may not have the funding and man power to do something like that. I would hope a judge would consider that those weapons may be stored and used out of state or the ammo may be for a bolt gun. Another good reason for someone that doesn't register to store the items out of state or NOT at their address.

 

It would be a quick database search who is buying 556 that doesn't have an AR15 registered.   5 minutes tops.   

 

That probably isn't enough to get a warrant in most counties, but I bet judges in Lake and Cook would be willing to sign off for less.  

[Vodoun da Vinci]

My perspective is that they don't need to get thousands of convictions....they only need to liquidate (financially) a few dozen and show the rest that if we don't comply we will be next. At $250+ an hour for legal representation plus the fines and loss of liberty, job, and support I'm convinced the objective here is to financially liquidate/persecute/prosecute a select few to terrify the rest of US. They want US disarmed and terrorized, IMO. This is not about making people Safe. It's about terrorizing and liquidating people who resist. The nail that stands proud will be hammered down.

 

IMO.

 

VooDoo

[mauserme]

On 10/6/2023 at 5:45 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

My perspective is that they don't need to get thousands of convictions....they only need to liquidate (financially) a few dozen and show the rest that if we don't comply we will be next. At $250+ an hour for legal representation plus the fines and loss of liberty, job, and support I'm convinced the objective here is to financially liquidate/persecute/prosecute a select few to terrify the rest of US. They want US disarmed and terrorized, IMO. This is not about making people Safe. It's about terrorizing and liquidating people who resist. The nail that stands proud will be hammered down.

 

IMO.

 

VooDoo

 

Except that they can convict those few dozen you mention only after it's too late for new registrations.  The idea that they would use that as a tool to coerce compliance doesn't seem as if it could work.

 

I recall in another thread you mentioned the idea that their plan was to ruin gun owners all along, and had nothing to do with compliance with the registration.  That could be, but I think it might be more along the lines of poor planning.

 

 

 

[steveTA84]

Either way, the Democrats and ISP are Nazi scum that would make Himmler blush. Morgan and Pritzker must be so proud 

[davel501]

How do they articulate reasonable suspicion that an assault weapon is on your property based on ammunition? I can't think of a caliber that isn't available for something legal. There are plenty of bolt action rifles in 5.56/.223 even. 

 

Buying the ammo means nothing. Even if it was for a an actual assault weapon, as they've made up the term to mean, they need to connect it to you in the state. They can skip fighting for warrants outside the state's jurisdiction and just wait for the angry exes to call. 

 

The only people they could get are those buying .50 caliber ammo since that's banned but who is going to ship it here? 

[DoYouFeelLucky]

A day should be designated for everyone to buy a box of .223/5.56 ammo.  These kind of monitoring systems are not usually built to handle the large of sudden influx of data.  

[G214me]

On 10/6/2023 at 8:55 PM, DoYouFeelLucky said:

A day should be designated for everyone to buy a box of .223/5.56 ammo.  These kind of monitoring systems are not usually built to handle the large of sudden influx of data.  

This could be good if it went big enough and all over the place.

[G214me]

Fun weekend get away idea.... Pile some buddies or your girl / guy into the car and go to a huge gun show in KY, WI, IA, IN, MO or whatever. Buy lots of ammo and possibly save some $$$. If you and your buds are getting a couple thousand rounds from the same seller a deal may be possible. Get out of Illinois for a day. camp, go in on a cheap room, or with a bunch of guys take turns driving and make a day of it.  

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 10/6/2023 at 6:12 PM, steveTA84 said:

Either way, the Democrats and ISP are Nazi scum that would make Himmler blush. Morgan and Pritzker must be so proud 

 

+1    

[steveTA84]

Press is gonna cover it and national orgs/lawyers aware 👍

Edited October 7, 2023 at 02:29 AM by steveTA84

[mab22]

On 10/6/2023 at 8:55 PM, DoYouFeelLucky said:

A day should be designated for everyone to buy a box of .223/5.56 ammo.  These kind of monitoring systems are not usually built to handle the large of sudden influx of data.  

If there’s going to be a day it should be .50 cal rounds, just 1 per person should be enough to say 🖕

Don’t be surprised if they set this one to scale up, so load may not be a problem, does anyone have the URL handy?

We still need to focus on voiding their precious - the FOID card. 
 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 at 03:16 AM by mab22

[steveTA84]

On 10/6/2023 at 10:12 PM, mab22 said:

We still need to focus on voiding their precious - the FOID card

This is the time to do it. I mean, wow lol 

[Chitownshooterz]

On 10/6/2023 at 9:18 PM, G214me said:

Fun weekend get away idea.... Pile some buddies or your girl / guy into the car and go to a huge gun show in KY, WI, IA, IN, MO or whatever. Buy lots of ammo and possibly save some $$$. If you and your buds are getting a couple thousand rounds from the same seller a deal may be possible. Get out of Illinois for a day. camp, go in on a cheap room, or with a bunch of guys take turns driving and make a day of it.  

Exactly. Picked up a bucket of .223 and very hard to find small pistol magnum primers from Bud’s in Severville TN over the summer. Great place to shop. 

[G214me]

On 10/6/2023 at 6:12 PM, steveTA84 said:

Either way, the Democrats and ISP are Nazi scum that would make Himmler blush. Morgan and Pritzker must be so proud 

^ This x10 ^

[Tvandermyde]

wanna bet it goes back to HB-562?

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 10/6/2023 at 6:02 PM, mauserme said:

 

Except that they can convict those few dozen you mention only after it's too late for new registrations.  The idea that they would use that as a tool to coerce compliance doesn't seem as if it could work.

 

I recall in another thread you mentioned the idea that their plan was to ruin gun owners all along, and had nothing to do with compliance with the registration.  That could be, but I think it might be more along the lines of poor planning.

 

 

 

 

Now that I think about it, I think yer prolly right on both counts. I'm paranoid about where Illinois is going and over reacting because I'm stressed. It's why I'm hanging here at Illinois Carry - some cooler heads for me to interact with. 

 

VooDoo

[G214me]

On 10/6/2023 at 6:12 PM, steveTA84 said:

Either way, the Democrats and ISP are Nazi scum that would make Himmler blush. Morgan and Pritzker must be so proud 

Targeting a certain group of law abiding citizens, coming up with laws and rules to harass and intimidate that group and then sicking a law enforcement agency on them. Sounds like something Ol' Adolf would have supported. 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:26 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

Lots of things chambered in .223 and 6.5 and .308 that isn't an AR. Here's my question - if they have a "person of interest" who has not registered  any Assault Weapons but they have done the legwork and know that this person has submitted 2 dozen 4473's for AR/M4 rifles over the past 10 years *and* is now purchasing .223/5.56 ammuntion might this not be enough evidence, with the right judge, to get a search warrant for those guns known to have been transferred to this person?

 

I'm just asking.

 

VooDoo 

"For" isn't reported on a 4473.

There's not even confirmation that you completed the purchase without them coming out to inspect the FFLs book. 

[steveTA84]

https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Ammunition/Buyer.aspx

[davel501]

On 10/7/2023 at 11:10 AM, steveTA84 said:

https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Ammunition/Buyer.aspx

Ever been asked for your foid when buying ammo in person out of state? It's a tough gap for the isp to close. 

[blom]

Yes, Walmart in Monroe Wi. Even for pellets for an air gun.

[davel501]

On 10/7/2023 at 1:55 PM, blom said:

Yes, Walmart in Monroe Wi. Even for pellets for an air gun.

Interesting. Not a big Walmart ammo shopper.