Endorsement affidavit through their Firearm Owner’s Identification Card account before Jan. 1, 2024.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Been undergoing a personal tragedy for a few months so have been out of touch with Illinois Firearms Politics. Apparently in order to legally keep my "Assault Weapons" that were purchased before the ban I will be required to register these firearms with Make, Model, and Serial via an affidavit thru the ILL. FOID Site between October 1st and End of January 2024.

 

I rolled around the FOID site after login and as of 10 days before there is absolutely nothing on the FOID site about completing this affidavit. 1st offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd offense is a felony. I'd love to ignore it but I'm terrified I'll be a test case as many friends and neighbors (some who are law enforcement) know I am in possession of these evil firearms.

 

Your thoughts on this are appreciated as I see limited options, comply and register, get rid of the banned firearms (sell in another State), move, or risk becoming a felon.

 

Frankly, I'm worried which I suppose is the entire point of this madness - keep everyone frightened and compliant while they dismantle Freedom and confiscate all our Stuff.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 at 05:17 PM by Vodoun da Vinci

[soundguy]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:14 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

I rolled around the FOID site after login and as of 10 days before there is absolutely nothing on the FOID site about completing this affidavit.

 

I would guess that on October 1st or shortly thereafter there will be registration info at ISP. No reason to let you access it before the registration window opens.

 

You can register them, sell them or store them out of Illinois. No need to panic or be frightened...

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 at 05:25 PM by soundguy

[Jeffrey]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:22 PM, soundguy said:

 

I would guess that on October 1st or shortly thereafter there will be registration info at ISP. No reason to let you access it before the registration window opens.

 

You can register them, sell them or store them out of Illinois. No need to panic or be frightened...

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

It's just a firearm registration database folks.  Nothing to be worried about.  

[Vodoun da Vinci]

The possibility of becoming a Felon after all these years of paying my bills and taxes and being a good citizen because I fail to register something I should have every right to possess is.....frightening. Maybe as the idea sets in on me it'll be less violating to me but right now I think America (starting with Illinois) is being dismantled by scary people with scary ideas.

 

VooDoo

[EdDinIL]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:22 PM, soundguy said:

 

I would guess that on October 1st or shortly thereafter there will be registration info at ISP. No reason to let you access it before the registration window opens.

 

You can register them, sell them or store them out of Illinois. No need to panic or be frightened...

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

OP, your location says Moline.  Assuming that's accurate (or at least accurate enough for us to know), soundguy's third option might be open to you if you'd prefer not to deal with the registration.  If you have friends or family on the other side of the river, maybe they can help you out.  Several people here have posted they have out-of-state relocation plans for their firearms and possibly even themselves.   Something to ponder, at least.

[mousegun6]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:22 PM, soundguy said:

 

I would guess that on October 1st or shortly thereafter there will be registration info at ISP. No reason to let you access it before the registration window opens.

 

You can register them, sell them or store them out of Illinois. No need to panic or be frightened...

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

Tim, I gave the ISP rules a quick read, so I may be wrong, but I thought it said that you cannot sell a banned item until after it had been registered. I think storage out of Illinois is the best route until the courts are finished with the whole mess, if you don't want to register the items. Personally, I think the "voluntary" registration is just that, voluntary. Since you are asked to swear that you are voluntarily registering your firearms then you must not do it if the action is not voluntary. Pretty simple really. My sympathies to the original poster for his personal tragedy. I hope things get better for you.

[countyline]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:22 PM, soundguy said:

 

I would guess that on October 1st or shortly thereafter there will be registration info at ISP. No reason to let you access it before the registration window opens.

 

You can register them, sell them or store them out of Illinois. No need to panic or be frightened...

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

 

Or none of the above...

[captdan]

I would wait until December as much could change before the dust settles. 

 

[soundguy]

On 9/20/2023 at 2:07 PM, mousegun6 said:

Tim, I gave the ISP rules a quick read, so I may be wrong, but I thought it said that you cannot sell a banned item until after it had been registered. I think storage out of Illinois is the best route until the courts are finished with the whole mess, if you don't want to register the items. Personally, I think the "voluntary" registration is just that, voluntary. Since you are asked to swear that you are voluntarily registering your firearms then you must not do it if the action is not voluntary. Pretty simple really. My sympathies to the original poster for his personal tragedy. I hope things get better for you.

I have nothing to register. 
 

One could certainly sell such an item (out of state) before registration begin, so why not up until voluntary registration ends?

 

I agree with storing out of Illinois as a good option to see if the law holds up.. 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[steveTA84]

Registering makes you a target when they close the “assault weapon loophole” (which as already supposedly been discussed amongst the Pritzker admin) and the say “time to hand over your stuff and we know what you have”. The ISP has “emergency rule powers” under this law. It’s a trap

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I'm gonna liquidate my collection down to carry guns and maybe one Precision Rifle and a 9mm PCC. They got me - can't move and I have no resources within my financial means to store things out of State. And what's the point of that? I'm highly skeptical this is going to "go away" ....private gun ownership in the US will mimic the UK and the like in a few more decades.

 

We all know it won't solve the problems but until and unless America splits itself into multiple factions (balkanizes) we as gun owners are doomed. Too many of our neighbors think *WE* are the problem. US and our scary guns.

 

VooDoo

[Bubbacs]

As a future Felon will I then be eligible for Snap and WIC?  Do they still have three strikes on the books? 

[ak76]

On 9/20/2023 at 2:07 PM, mousegun6 said:

Tim, I gave the ISP rules a quick read, so I may be wrong, but I thought it said that you cannot sell a banned item until after it had been registered. I think storage out of Illinois is the best route until the courts are finished with the whole mess, if you don't want to register the items. Personally, I think the "voluntary" registration is just that, voluntary. Since you are asked to swear that you are voluntarily registering your firearms then you must not do it if the action is not voluntary. Pretty simple really. My sympathies to the original poster for his personal tragedy. I hope things get better for you.

They are asking you to voluntarily give up your 5th Amendment right while gutting your 2nd Amendment right, very slick and tyrannical. You have no Constitutional protection if you register and they are covered and will say you gave up your right voluntarily when they come after you. They are asking for you to incriminate yourself for items that you purchased legally and are Constitutionally protected which all of the sudden have become illegal, can you say entrapment and Ex Post Facto. Illegal law passed by corrupt politicians taking bribes from a billionaire who wants to impose his will on us. That's what registration is essentially and this is only the first step and leads toconfiscation and they have it all planned.

 

"Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3 (with respect to federal laws) and Article 1, Section 10 (with respect to state laws)."

 

"The Constitution of the United States forbids Congress and the states to pass any ex post facto law. In 1798 it was determined that this prohibition applies only to criminal laws and is not a general restriction on retroactive legislation."

[ak76]

On 9/20/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

The possibility of becoming a Felon after all these years of paying my bills and taxes and being a good citizen because I fail to register something I should have every right to possess is.....frightening. Maybe as the idea sets in on me it'll be less violating to me but right now I think America (starting with Illinois) is being dismantled by scary people with scary ideas.

 

VooDoo

Being dismantled by scary people with scary ideas and they have to take the guns to complete it. This is only the first step and history has shown repeatedly what happens when the guns are taken.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 9/20/2023 at 2:07 PM, mousegun6 said:

Tim, I gave the ISP rules a quick read, so I may be wrong, but I thought it said that you cannot sell a banned item until after it had been registered. I think storage out of Illinois is the best route until the courts are finished with the whole mess, if you don't want to register the items. Personally, I think the "voluntary" registration is just that, voluntary. Since you are asked to swear that you are voluntarily registering your firearms then you must not do it if the action is not voluntary. Pretty simple really. My sympathies to the original poster for his personal tragedy. I hope things get better for you.

 

From the ISP Website/FAQ's: Failing to complete and submit the required endorsement affidavit is a violation of Illinois law – specifically, the FOID Act (Class A misdemeanor) and the Criminal Code of 2012 (1st offense – Class A misdemeanor; second or subsequent offense – Class 3 Felony). Persons who violate the endorsement affidavit requirements may be arrested and charged.

 

The registration is not voluntary - failure to register is Felony after the 2nd failure to comply. The language used throughout all of this is convoluted and contradictory. Pretty sure if I sell a firearm in Iowa and I am no longer in possession of a banned firearm (and keep the documentation showing the gun was sold on consignment thru an Iowa FFL) I'd be a fool to register it and *then* sell it.

 

Then again I'm not thinking clearly and it'll be some time before I'm able to concentrate - my Wife of 44 years took her own Life 2 months ago after a brutal illness/treatment and the "Brain Fog" of dealing with even the most simple tasks (like paying the bills and taxes) is hard enough without having to read thru all the double speak and BS that Illinois gun laws have now become. I want to keep my nose clean on all of this but it seems to have been engineered to confuse, bewilder, and vex folks who have always worked to do what's right and correct.

 

I don't need to be a test case or end up spending a bunch of money defending myself from felony charges over possession of a 9mm PCC or AR style rifle I legally purchased. heck, even my Beretta Px4 full size pistol is an "assault weapon" now as it comes with 17 round magazines. Just....not dealing with this very well.Sorry for The Rant.

 

VooDoo

[Jeffrey]

VooDoo I'm so sorry for your loss.

[soundguy]

On 9/21/2023 at 8:38 AM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

Just....not dealing with this very well.Sorry for The Rant.

 

VooDoo

 

No apologies needed. Please don't be shy about reaching out to those close to you...

 

Tim

[JTHunter]

Register what?

[Vodoun da Vinci]

Thank you for your condolences and good wishes..

 

VooDoo

[mousegun6]

On 9/21/2023 at 8:38 AM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

The registration is not voluntary - failure to register is Felony after the 2nd failure to comply. The language used throughout all of this is convoluted and contradictory. Pretty sure if I sell a firearm in Iowa and I am no longer in possession of a banned firearm (and keep the documentation showing the gun was sold on consignment thru an Iowa FFL) I'd be a fool to register it and *then* sell it.

You are right. I went back and reread the ISP "rules" and it looks like you can take the gun to an FFL in Illinois and transfer it out of state, without registering it. When I asked Tim about this I stated that I could be wrong at the time and I am sorry if I added to your stress about this whole mess. The language is very confusing and the average Illinois gun owner is completely unaware of the details of the law. We care about it because we want to remain law-abiding citizens. The criminals will not be registering their guns or giving any of them up.

 

As far as this stupid law goes, just do what feels right to you and don't worry about it. Live your life as your own moral compass guides you.

 

I am sorry for your loss. I lost my wife 2 years ago after a long illness. Please reach out to friends and family and let them know that you need to talk. We can't get through life and loss without friends, family and, in my experience, a deep faith in God. I hope you find peace.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

No one's comments are gonna stress me out. I just have the feeling that this whole PICA thing has been concocted and convoluted to make criminals out of people like me who are just not up to jumping thru a bunch of hoops right now. They wanna make examples of those of US who play with these types of firearms for no other reason than they think if they take everything bad away, nothing bad will happen. In the mean time we are gonna see people go to jail for no other reason that they didn't will out paperwork they didn't know existed.

 

VooDoo 

[Molly B.]

We are so very sorry to hear of your loss.  We're here whenever you need to vent/share.

 

My hope is for the courts to stop this thing in its tracks before the deadline.

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 9/22/2023 at 5:13 PM, Molly B. said:

We are so very sorry to hear of your loss.  We're here whenever you need to vent/share.

 

My hope is for the courts to stop this thing in its tracks before the deadline.

That's where I'm siding or I'm going to need a couple more vacuum pack rolls. Tupperware works well too. 

[F12Mahon]

On 9/21/2023 at 8:38 AM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

 

Then again I'm not thinking clearly and it'll be some time before I'm able to concentrate - my Wife of 44 years took her own Life 2 months ago after a brutal illness/treatment and the "Brain Fog" of dealing with even the most simple tasks (like paying the bills and taxes) is hard enough without having to read thru all the double speak and BS that Illinois gun laws have now become. I want to keep my nose clean on all of this but it seems to have been engineered to confuse, bewilder, and vex folks who have always worked to do what's right and correct.

 

(snip)

 

VooDoo

I'm so sorry for your loss.

 

Eugene

[RECarry]

May peace cover you and your memories of her.

[crufflesmuth]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:14 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

Been undergoing a personal tragedy for a few months so have been out of touch with Illinois Firearms Politics. Apparently in order to legally keep my "Assault Weapons" that were purchased before the ban I will be required to register these firearms with Make, Model, and Serial via an affidavit thru the ILL. FOID Site between October 1st and End of January 2024.

 

I rolled around the FOID site after login and as of 10 days before there is absolutely nothing on the FOID site about completing this affidavit. 1st offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd offense is a felony. I'd love to ignore it but I'm terrified I'll be a test case as many friends and neighbors (some who are law enforcement) know I am in possession of these evil firearms.

 

Your thoughts on this are appreciated as I see limited options, comply and register, get rid of the banned firearms (sell in another State), move, or risk becoming a felon.

 

Frankly, I'm worried which I suppose is the entire point of this madness - keep everyone frightened and compliant while they dismantle Freedom and confiscate all our Stuff.

 

 

 

First, your neighbors can know all they want about your "possession" they're not the ones issuing warrants or arresting. Nobody can come onto your property unless you allow them. So it comes down to just locking them away. Much like proof of vaccination, the less people who comply the faster it ends.

[BobPistol]

On 9/20/2023 at 5:58 PM, Bubbacs said:

As a future Felon will I then be eligible for Snap and WIC?  

 

Only if you're a democrat. 

[crufflesmuth]

So there is a requirement to register: but it's not spelled out in Protect Illinois Communities. 

 

An Affidavit just affirms a fact, or certain pertinent legal facts.

This is a perjury trap and fifth amendment privilege gutter.

 

Assuming an "assault weapon" attachment can be registered, how is that registered? 

If I have flash hider, how is that serialized? what about a threaded barrel barrel with a compensator?

 

How does the state handle endorsements? Are they physically listed on the card, or listed under

the applicants FOID/CCL when they log-in? 

 

Fifth amendment privilege is not worth giving up, even under the worst of circumstances. This will be an absolute disaster

for the few, who falsely believe compliance will net a positive gain. The system will get either clogged up or Illinois State

Police will extend the registration deadline with phantom emergency rules. That or an injunctive order. 

This is an unworkable law.

Edited September 26, 2023 at 12:16 AM by crufflesmuth

[soundguy]

On 9/25/2023 at 7:14 PM, crufflesmuth said:

Fifth amendment privilege is not worth giving up, even under the worst of circumstances. This will be an absolute disaster for the few, who falsely believe compliance will net a positive gain...

 

It's been so long from then to now, I imagine some will fail to comply because they went on with their lives and forgot to.

 

I have nothing to declare.

Sometimes I am forgetful or lazy...

 

Cheers,

Tim

[ak76]

On 9/25/2023 at 7:14 PM, crufflesmuth said:

So there is a requirement to register: but it's not spelled out in Protect Illinois Communities. 

 

An Affidavit just affirms a fact, or certain pertinent legal facts.

This is a perjury trap and fifth amendment privilege gutter.

 

Assuming an "assault weapon" attachment can be registered, how is that registered? 

If I have flash hider, how is that serialized? what about a threaded barrel barrel with a compensator?

 

How does the state handle endorsements? Are they physically listed on the card, or listed under

the applicants FOID/CCL when they log-in? 

 

Fifth amendment privilege is not worth giving up, even under the worst of circumstances. This will be an absolute disaster

for the few, who falsely believe compliance will net a positive gain. The system will get either clogged up or Illinois State

Police will extend the registration deadline with phantom emergency rules. That or an injunctive order. 

This is an unworkable law.

5th Amendment Constitutional right not privilege. Voluntarily give up your 5th Amendment right while we take away your 2nd Amendment right.