ISP has filed the Emergency Rule to implement PICA

[G214me]

On 9/19/2023 at 4:14 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I'm almost laughing. 

 

I know a few individuals who believed they were completely exempt and supported the law because it wouldn't affect them.  

That's the problem, brain dead zombies who sit and watch "the other guy get screwed" and then we lose everything. Tell those ***holes you expect them to register everything since they supported this garbage.

[springfield shooter]

On 9/19/2023 at 4:14 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I'm almost laughing. 

 

I know a few individuals who believed they were completely exempt and supported the law because it wouldn't affect them.  

 

So the state's word is as good as it's financial situation? Go figure.

[davel501]

On 9/19/2023 at 5:25 PM, springfield shooter said:

 

So the state's word is as good as it's financial situation? Go figure.

 

Dang, I forgot all about that. Strange how the press quit talking about it when the dems took full control. 

[impressivechoice]

On 9/19/2023 at 1:03 PM, springfield shooter said:

 

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't the fact that there would be "exempts" used as a selling point when this was passed?

 

Police and anyone listed in section 2 are still completely exempt. Private security, military and people listed in section 3 are not required to register firearms used in offical duty. But required to register personal firearms. 

[steveTA84]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:36 PM, impressivechoice said:

 

Police and anyone listed in section 2 are still completely exempt. Private security, military and people listed in section 3 are not required to register firearms used in offical duty. But required to register personal firearms. 

Which is completely silly even by the law’s standards. What are they exempt from then? They’re not exempt from anything 😂😂😂😂😂. In the law, it just said they can use them in their official duties, did not specify personally owned or not.

 

 

Now, even if using personal weapons on their official duties per the ISP, they gotta still register like anyone else. 
 

 

Sounds to me that the equal protections claim is ripe to be crushed and the ILSC ruling challenged, or at the very least, these “rules” really beaten down. 

[Howard Roark]

On 9/18/2023 at 8:12 PM, Tip said:

So basically they are forcing you to perjure yourself in order to comply with the mandates of the law…. 

Yeah, that "voluntary" is a trap.  The whole thing is a trap.

[Howard Roark]

On 9/19/2023 at 2:11 PM, yurimodin said:

looks like they are not going to want to enforce it either.

I wonder what percentage of sworn LEO in Illinois own AR15's?  I'm guessing 80%.  There should be no special carve outs for them. They should be fully subject to the law for all personally owned banned items. 

[davel501]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:34 PM, Howard Roark said:

I wonder what percentage of sworn LEO in Illinois own AR15's?  I'm guessing 80%.  There should be no special carve outs for them. They should be fully subject to the law for all personally owned banned items. 

 

It's a lot less that you'd think if the department provides them with one for duty. In departments where they have to supply their own it's closer to 100%. Most cops aren't gun people. 

[ragsbo]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:41 PM, davel501 said:

 

It's a lot less that you'd think if the department provides them with one for duty. In departments where they have to supply their own it's closer to 100%. Most cops aren't gun people. 

They should have to do what we had to do when working for DOE. You were issued the pistol and rifle at the beginning of the shift and you turn it in when the shift was over= all weapons staid at the site and you went home naked- because NO firearms were allowed in parking lots! That would change their attitudes! (Take that all with a grain of salt- I don't want to hang them out for target practice but don't think they deserve anything more than the rest of us)

[ak76]

On 9/19/2023 at 8:29 PM, Howard Roark said:

Yeah, that "voluntary" is a trap.  The whole thing is a trap.

I agree, the whole thing is a trap as designed to entrap gun owners.

[sdf4]

On 9/18/2023 at 12:41 PM, bmyers said:

I have already made arrangements to have my 'registerable' items moved across the State line and stored for me. The only thing I haven't figured out yet, is how to get my wife moved across the State line so this would become a non-issue. 

Do you want to move you wife across the state line with your 'registerable' items and have her stored to?

[bmyers]

On 9/20/2023 at 12:06 AM, sdf4 said:

Do you want to move you wife across the state line with your 'registerable' items and have her stored to?

Whatever it takes to keep my firearms from having to be registered.  

[Bo69]

The police officers need to remember they swore an OATH to the constitution and not to unconstitutional laws created by Prickster. 

[yurimodin]

On 9/20/2023 at 10:25 AM, Bo69 said:

The police officers need to remember they swore an OATH to the constitution and not to unconstitutional laws created by Prickster. 

They pledge fealty to the gubmint pension, NOT to your rights. The only LEO's with a spine are currently 98% of IL Sherrifs 

[springfield shooter]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:36 PM, impressivechoice said:

 

Police and anyone listed in section 2 are still completely exempt. Private security, military and people listed in section 3 are not required to register firearms used in offical duty. But required to register personal firearms. 

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[crufflesmuth]

The registration seems unworkable. How do the endorsements work? Are they printed on the card, or are these additional expansions of the FOID database? will they actually 

list these under your number? 

 

Waiving fifth amendment privilege is not worth it. If you voluntarily waive it, you're working with

preponderance levels of defense. Perhaps there will be massive non-compliance. 

 

Will the state and local police register their personal weapons? If

police can buy new semi-auto rifles, how do they register those

if there is no provision? 

[Cerus]

On 9/20/2023 at 6:25 AM, bmyers said:

Whatever it takes to keep my firearms from having to be registered.  

All it takes is the balls to say no. 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 9/23/2023 at 12:07 PM, Cerus said:

All it takes is the balls to say no. 

 ..and perhaps tens of thousands to pay an attorney to keep you out of prison when "They" decide to use you as a testt case for not registering firearms that are now *ILLEGAL* to be in possession of without registration which is, at this point, nebulous, convoluted and confusing. First offense (I don't register my Beretta Px4 Storm full size 'cause I have the balls to say no) is a misdemeanor. 2nd offense ('cause I didn't register my Sig 9mm PCC ('cause I have the balls to say no...) is a *FELONY*  and now they wanna make an example out of me and put me in prison, fine me (in addition to $250 an hour for legal team) and then they get to the Rock River Arms LAR-15, and then the Ruger 1022 in tactical chassis, and then... you get the point.

 

They are gonna find high profile folks that did not register (because they have balls) and rack their balls with tens of thousands of dollars in fines, lawyer fees, and news headline. They'll lose their jobs and their families will suffer and they'll spend the rest of their lives wishing they had never seen a Sig PCC, or an AR, or and tricked out Ruger 1022.These people are playing for blood at this point - my blood. I have as much starch as the next guy but I'm not powerful enough to fight the whole State of Illinois that wants me behind bars for possessing objects that terrify them.

 

They want those guns in the dirt and I don't have the financial means to resist. They are gonna make this a nightmare if they can/ Mark my words. They don't have to get US all - just a few hundred of the low hanging fruit.

 

IMO. VooDoo

Edited September 23, 2023 at 09:32 PM by Vodoun da Vinci

[ragsbo]

On 9/23/2023 at 4:30 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

 ..and perhaps tens of thousands to pay an attorney to keep you out of prison when "They" decide to use you as a testt case for not registering firearms that are now *ILLEGAL* to be in possession of without registration which is, at this point, nebulous, convoluted and confusing. First offense (I don't register my Beretta Px4 Storm full size 'cause I have the balls to say no) is a misdemeanor. 2nd offense ('cause I didn't register my Sig 9mm PCC ('cause I have the balls to say no...) is a *FELONY*  and now they wanna make an example out of me and put me in prison, fine me (in addition to $250 an hour for legal team) and then they get to the Rock River Arms LAR-15, and then the Ruger 1022 in tactical chassis, and then... you get the point.

 

They are gonna find high profile folks that did not register (because they have balls) and rack their balls with tens of thousands of dollars in fines, lawyer fees, and news headline. They'll lose their jobs and their families will suffer and they'll spend the rest of their lives wishing they had never seen a Sig PCC, or an AR, or and tricked out Ruger 1022.These people are playing for blood at this point - my blood. I have as much starch as the next guy but I'm not powerful enough to fight the whole State of Illinois that wants me behind bars for possessing objects that terrify them.

 

They want those guns in the dirt and I don't have the financial means to resist. They are gonna make this a nightmare if they can/ Mark my words. They don't have to get US all - just a few hundred of the low hanging fruit.

 

IMO. VooDoo

Because they are not scared of any consequences for their unconstitutional acts and have the power of state government to tax YOU to pay for their attacks against YOU!

[JTHunter]

There are things I would like to say in this situation as to what is likely to happen to me and how I would react (accordingly).

Unfortunately, those opinions could be considered "premeditation". 🤬

[lumpy76]

On 9/25/2023 at 1:22 PM, JTHunter said:

There are things I would like to say in this situation as to what is likely to happen to me and how I would react (accordingly).

Unfortunately, those opinions could be considered "premeditation". 🤬

I would "like" this very much!!

 

Edited September 25, 2023 at 07:48 PM by lumpy76
missed word

[Tango7]

So Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968) held that felons can't be forced to register, but we can? https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/390/85/

[Upholder]

On 10/4/2023 at 6:20 PM, Tango7 said:

So Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968) held that felons can't be forced to register, but we can? https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/390/85/

 

If you don't register, you're a Felon, which Haynes says you can't be forced to register because you're a felon.. but you wouldn't be a felon unless you didn't register.. it's enough to make someone's head hurt.   If only it made Bob Morgan's head hurt.

[davel501]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:33 PM, Upholder said:

 

If you don't register, you're a Felon, which Haynes says you can't be forced to register because you're a felon.. but you wouldn't be a felon unless you didn't register.. it's enough to make someone's head hurt.   If only it made Bob Morgan's head hurt.

 

I believe he lacks the requisite processing power for that.

[mab22]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:33 PM, Upholder said:

 

If you don't register, you're a Felon, which Haynes says you can't be forced to register because you're a felon.. but you wouldn't be a felon unless you didn't register.. it's enough to make someone's head hurt.   If only it made Bob Morgan's head hurt.

Does it really matter IF you’re a felon or a non felon? I would think we ALL have the same rights?
 

Edited October 5, 2023 at 01:45 AM by mab22

[JTHunter]

On 10/4/2023 at 7:33 PM, Upholder said:

If you don't register, you're a Felon, which Haynes says you can't be forced to register because you're a felon.. but you wouldn't be a felon unless you didn't register.. it's enough to make someone's head hurt.   If only it made Bob Morgan's head hurt.

 

That is like the "time traveler's paradox" where you go back in time, accidentally kill your grandfather before he has any children, hence, you can't be born.

So how do you go back to cause your grandfather's death?  Nice brain twister, isn't it?

[SiliconSorcerer]

Todd might want to talk to him about his latest post yesterday , he's off by a couple zero's

1.618 / 2,400,000 = .0006741 in my calculator. 

"With a total of 1,618 individuals complying two weeks in, that would be about 0.07% of the 2.4 million FOID card holders in the state."

 

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_771bf3dc-6eb1-11ee-a763-f76b309d3dd5.html

[mikew]

On 10/20/2023 at 10:07 AM, SiliconSorcerer said:

Todd might want to talk to him about his latest post yesterday , he's off by a couple zero's

1.618 / 2,400,000 = .0006741 in my calculator. 

"With a total of 1,618 individuals complying two weeks in, that would be about 0.07% of the 2.4 million FOID card holders in the state."

 

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/article_771bf3dc-6eb1-11ee-a763-f76b309d3dd5.html

.0006741  X 100% =  0.07% in my calculator, with apologies to significant digits.

 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 10/20/2023 at 10:10 AM, mikew said:

.0006741  X 100% =  0.07% in my calculator, with apologies to significant digits.

 

yeah but .0006741 looks better  (oops accepted) 

[Tvandermyde]

my math was 1618 divided by 2,400,000 was .0006% just real quick public school math