crufflesmuth Posted August 29, 2023 at 11:32 PM Share Posted August 29, 2023 at 11:32 PM Are there still semi-automatic rifles that people can buy? Off the top of my head, the FNAR, SKS and M1 Rifle seem they would be "legal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted August 29, 2023 at 11:59 PM Share Posted August 29, 2023 at 11:59 PM The Internet appears to have convinced itself that a Ruger Ranch Mini-14 with a 5-round magazine would not be banned, because the Mini-14 Tactical is specifically listed as banned, but the Ranch is not. I think the Internet is wrong. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted August 30, 2023 at 02:09 AM Share Posted August 30, 2023 at 02:09 AM If you are worried about a specific gun, I can provide safe haven for it in IA. Just make sure it is clean and you send lots of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted August 31, 2023 at 12:00 AM Share Posted August 31, 2023 at 12:00 AM ILguns Reddit loves to argue about this. Many argue every semi auto that can accept a detachable magazine is banned because of the barrel shroud language that could conceivably cover every form of hand guard on every rifle ever. I personally believe those drafting and voting for the law were idiots who probably just intended to cover things like a Tec 9. In a potential worst case where the law is not struck down it’s going to have to get settled in a criminal case perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted August 31, 2023 at 01:30 PM Share Posted August 31, 2023 at 01:30 PM I've wanted an MP5 for as long as I can remember. Currently there are some sales on the knock off versions. And cheap enough to catch my cheap eye. I'm torn right now whether or not it would be safe to spend my money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plinkermostly Posted August 31, 2023 at 09:45 PM Share Posted August 31, 2023 at 09:45 PM What state do you plan on living in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak76 Posted August 31, 2023 at 10:31 PM Share Posted August 31, 2023 at 10:31 PM Even semi automatic hunting shotguns are not legal. Can't wait to move from this doomed state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted September 1, 2023 at 12:20 PM Share Posted September 1, 2023 at 12:20 PM What about a 50 cal handgun? Just no ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted September 1, 2023 at 03:39 PM Share Posted September 1, 2023 at 03:39 PM On 8/29/2023 at 6:32 PM, crufflesmuth said: Are there still semi-automatic rifles that people can buy? Off the top of my head, the FNAR, SKS and M1 Rifle seem they would be "legal." Have you seen the Tactical Lever-action carbines? Wait for the trailer bill to ban those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilguy Posted September 16, 2023 at 04:26 AM Share Posted September 16, 2023 at 04:26 AM Gun shop in Mchenry is selling Ruger Minis. Their lawyers are telling them they are not banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted September 16, 2023 at 08:53 PM Share Posted September 16, 2023 at 08:53 PM Yes, there are semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that are legal under the stupid Protect Illinois Communities Act. It is bad enough as it is without people saying that it contains items that do not exist. (720 ILCS 5/24-1.9 new) Sec. 24-1.9. Manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and purchase of assault weapons, .50 caliber rifles, and .50 caliber cartridges. (a) Definitions. In this Section: (1) "Assault weapon" means any of the following, except as provided in subdivision (2) of this subsection: (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine, if the firearm has one or more of the following: (i) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock; (ii) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a folding, telescoping, thumbhole, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of, the weapon; (iv) a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; (vi) a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel. (B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. (C) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine, if the firearm has one or more of the following: (i) a threaded barrel; (ii) a second pistol grip or another feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; (iv) a flash suppressor; (v) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip; or (vi) a buffer tube, arm brace, or other part that protrudes horizontally behind the pistol grip and is designed or redesigned to allow or facilitate a firearm to be fired from the shoulder. (D) A semiautomatic pistol that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 15 rounds. (E) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. (F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following: (i) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock; (ii) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a folding or thumbhole stock; (iv) a grenade launcher; (v) a fixed magazine with the capacity of more than 5 rounds; or (vi) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. (G) Any semiautomatic firearm that has the capacity to accept a belt ammunition feeding device. (H) Any firearm that has been modified to be operable as an assault weapon as defined in this Section. Public Act 1116 102ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY (ilga.gov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 16, 2023 at 10:36 PM Share Posted September 16, 2023 at 10:36 PM On 9/16/2023 at 3:53 PM, Quiet Observer said: (vi) a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel. I think that brings most semi automatic rifles in scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted September 17, 2023 at 06:20 AM Share Posted September 17, 2023 at 06:20 AM On 9/16/2023 at 5:36 PM, davel501 said: I think that brings most semi automatic rifles in scope. Proof that there's no way legislators know about what they're regulating. I bet if you showed them a picture of the rifle above, they'd say " that rifle isn't scary, and ok to own". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 17, 2023 at 06:43 AM Share Posted September 17, 2023 at 06:43 AM On 9/17/2023 at 1:20 AM, spanishjames said: Proof that there's no way legislators know about what they're regulating. I bet if you showed them a picture of the rifle above, they'd say " that rifle isn't scary, and ok to own". My favorite was the one that got their info from a video game. It was like "flash suppressor +5 concealment +3 damage". It was a good laugh until I really thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted September 17, 2023 at 02:17 PM Share Posted September 17, 2023 at 02:17 PM On 9/17/2023 at 1:20 AM, spanishjames said: Proof that there's no way legislators know about what they're regulating. I bet if you showed them a picture of the rifle above, they'd say " that rifle isn't scary, and ok to own". Then sloppy catch-all Illinois gun laws fail the "well-regulated" test that leftists demand of the 2nd Amendment. "Well" does not mean "extreme" or "punitive" or "broad-sweeping" or "non-sensical". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted September 19, 2023 at 10:26 PM Share Posted September 19, 2023 at 10:26 PM On 8/30/2023 at 7:00 PM, Matt B said: ILguns Reddit loves to argue about this. Many argue every semi auto that can accept a detachable magazine is banned because of the barrel shroud language that could conceivably cover every form of hand guard on every rifle ever. I personally believe those drafting and voting for the law were idiots who probably just intended to cover things like a Tec 9. In a potential worst case where the law is not struck down it’s going to have to get settled in a criminal case perhaps. Yes, they are idiots but I think they left it vague enough so that FFL's would be afraid to take a risk and refuse to sell anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckInIllinois Posted September 19, 2023 at 11:42 PM Share Posted September 19, 2023 at 11:42 PM This kind of blanket policy is what really p***es me off. Sent an email, twice, to get clarification with no response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 20, 2023 at 01:55 PM Share Posted September 20, 2023 at 01:55 PM On 9/19/2023 at 6:42 PM, StuckInIllinois said: This kind of blanket policy is what really p***es me off. Sent an email, twice, to get clarification with no response. I hope this means they are not shipping anything to IL no matter who orders. I would support that stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted September 20, 2023 at 02:07 PM Share Posted September 20, 2023 at 02:07 PM On 9/20/2023 at 8:55 AM, davel501 said: I hope this means they are not shipping anything to IL no matter who orders. I would support that stand. This would help knock off some of this stupid stuff if the "authorities" could NOT get their weapons, ammo, etc like the rest of us can't. Let them feel the pain as well, BUT that is usually not the way it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 20, 2023 at 02:12 PM Share Posted September 20, 2023 at 02:12 PM On 9/20/2023 at 9:07 AM, ragsbo said: This would help knock off some of this stupid stuff if the "authorities" could NOT get their weapons, ammo, etc like the rest of us can't. Let them feel the pain as well, BUT that is usually not the way it works. Yeah, there's always one guy that figures out all this means he can get above market prices and doesn't care about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roundkot Posted September 21, 2023 at 04:26 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 04:26 PM I'll throw my question in, after reading through the law, googling and still not getting it. Ruger takedown 10/22, 10 round detachable mag. Banned or not? TIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 21, 2023 at 04:54 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 04:54 PM On 9/21/2023 at 11:26 AM, roundkot said: I'll throw my question in, after reading through the law, googling and still not getting it. Ruger takedown 10/22, 10 round detachable mag. Banned or not? TIA. Probably. If not the first day then give it 10 years of enforcement to slowly widen the net to the exact letter of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted September 21, 2023 at 06:23 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 06:23 PM On September 21, 2023 at 11:26 AM, roundkot said:→... Ruger takedown 10/22, 10 round detachable mag. Banned or not? ... Takedown or not, semi-auto + detachable magazine = banned. There is no exception for 22LR. Supposedly Harmon said on the floor during senate debate that he specifically did not want to exclude the 10/22 from the ban. The law does specifically allow tube-fed 22LR, but that's just a special case of a non-detachable magazine. (At least I've never heard of a detachable tube magazine.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybermgk Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:12 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:12 PM On 9/21/2023 at 1:23 PM, Euler said: Takedown or not, semi-auto + detachable magazine = banned. There is no exception for 22LR. Supposedly Harmon said on the floor during senate debate that he specifically did not want to exclude the 10/22 from the ban. The law does specifically allow tube-fed 22LR, but that's just a special case of a non-detachable magazine. (At least I've never heard of a detachable tube magazine.) Where in the law does it state "semi-auto + detachable magazine = banned." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:24 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:24 PM On 9/21/2023 at 2:12 PM, cybermgk said: Where in the law does it state "semi-auto + detachable magazine = banned." That assessment assumes a broad reading of the barrel shroud language, as every rifle has some sort of hand guard or shroud to prevent the non firing hand from being burned by the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:29 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:29 PM The 10/22 takedown, in particular, has a handguard that is a separate piece from the stock that is shouldered and thus is more likely to be interpreted as included in the hand guard language than most rifles. As much as I am not in favor of it, it appears to me to squarely fall into the language in the law as enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:51 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 07:51 PM People have to start assuming those who wrote/voted for the bill and will enforce the bill have terrible intentions, and plan accordingly. The vagueness issue is by design. That is why ISP didn't clarify anything in their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:34 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:34 PM We openly sell 10/22's every day, they are not banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted September 21, 2023 at 10:29 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 10:29 PM On 9/21/2023 at 4:34 PM, countyline said: We openly sell 10/22's every day, they are not banned. You got one of those car registers with the tiny little lawyers in them that won't let you break the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted September 21, 2023 at 11:32 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 11:32 PM On September 21, 2023 at 02:12 PM, cybermgk said:→Where in the law does it state "semi-auto + detachable magazine = banned." On September 21, 2023 at 02:24 PM, Matt B said:→That assessment assumes a broad reading of the barrel shroud language, as every rifle has some sort of hand guard or shroud to prevent the non firing hand from being burned by the barrel. Pretty much that. Every rifle has a feature that allows supporting the rifle with one's non-trigger-finger hand and not burning it. The language itself is over-broad. In addition, I think it's also worth remembering that the word "shroud" was introduced into the gun control debate by the 1994 Clinton AWB. It was never used by the pro-2A side before that and has never been precisely defined by the anti-2A side after that. On September 21, 2023 at 04:34 PM, countyline said:→We openly sell 10/22's every day, they are not banned. The difficulty is that LE not enforcing a law doesn't guarantee that it doesn't apply. The first enforcement point is supposed to be when owners register their firearms. If the firearm is not exempt, the police will deny the registration and seize it. But if even an owner who wants to comply with the law thinks he isn't required to register a firearm, then LE will never know. That's the functional definition of unconstitutional vagueness: people cannot comply with a law if they can't figure out when it's supposed to apply. The alternative is to chill the exercise of a right: people choose to avoid situations (rather than the government actively prohibiting them) where the law shouldn't apply, because they fear the extreme consequences of arbitrary enforcement (which is exactly why vagueness is unconstitutional). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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