mab22 Posted August 24, 2023 at 03:49 PM Share Posted August 24, 2023 at 03:49 PM On 8/24/2023 at 10:13 AM, crufflesmuth said: Any other violation of Protect Illinois Communites is a Class A Misdemeanor. That's on Page 66; lines 6-7. Most of the felonies come in for people who make, purchase, deliver and possess. That's going to be a really difficult for ISP to enforce. Looking at most of the felony charges, these are based on people who try buying/bringing firearms across the state lines. If you "knowingly" purchased something, it's a felony. So you're essentially working with defending yourself against Class A Misdemeanor charges. That's nothing. People get charged with DUI's to enhance speeding ticket violations and those cases are generally tossed later due to lack of evidence. Nobody will become a felon. The first person to get arrested with a Class A Misdemeanor will have no criminal record and seeking dismissal based on Bruen applied. Make the state earn it's prosecution. Don't enable them. Today it's a Class A Misdemeanor; tomorrow it could be a felony. It's easier to defend yourself in court by NOT registering. Thanks for clarifying, I don't think anyone want's to "GO FIRST". More than likely it will be an actual criminal that does, if they decide to try that drug dealing gang banger with a normal mag with a switch on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crufflesmuth Posted August 24, 2023 at 03:57 PM Share Posted August 24, 2023 at 03:57 PM If a person just has their AR-15 sitting in their locker, on private property collecting dust, it's easier to defend NOT registering. They need to prove WHEN a possesed weapon was purchased and delivered. Otherwise, pursuing a felony is a waste for them. Unless they're going for FTIP; FOID transaction number. It's possible. But lengthy. The penalty for not registering is non-existant. If prohibited items are possessed on private property, it becomes impossible for this to be enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted September 5, 2023 at 03:37 PM Author Share Posted September 5, 2023 at 03:37 PM https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons#:~:text=On January 10%2C 2023%2C Governor,into effect immediately upon signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted September 5, 2023 at 04:33 PM Share Posted September 5, 2023 at 04:33 PM I can't wait until this law takes full effect so the crime in Chicago will come to a halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 5, 2023 at 05:13 PM Share Posted September 5, 2023 at 05:13 PM On 9/5/2023 at 10:37 AM, steveTA84 said: https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons#:~:text=On January 10%2C 2023%2C Governor,into effect immediately upon signing. You can read how they may go about enforcing things. This is the link on the link on the ISP site under how will this be enforced. They may try to coordinate with local LE. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/002026050K2605-605.htm Number 8 Quote (8) The Task Force shall collaborate with local law enforcement agencies to enforce provisions of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act, the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, the Firearm Dealer License Certification Act, and Article 24 of the Criminal Code of 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted September 5, 2023 at 09:50 PM Share Posted September 5, 2023 at 09:50 PM On 9/5/2023 at 12:13 PM, mab22 said: You can read how they may go about enforcing things. This is the link on the link on the ISP site under how will this be enforced. They may try to coordinate with local LE. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/002026050K2605-605.htm Number 8 Is that the point where all the county sheriffs and States' Attorneys who said they won't enforce anything unconstitutional point to the CA7 and ILSC rulings that say PICA isn't unconstitutional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted September 6, 2023 at 02:30 AM Share Posted September 6, 2023 at 02:30 AM Just so long as everybody is "prepared" because these elitist dictators won't risk their own skin. They have "useful idiots" (mercenaries) to do that for them. And it has been done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 6, 2023 at 04:36 AM Share Posted September 6, 2023 at 04:36 AM This is an image of I believe German law enforcement on patrol with the SS. You can see it on the second video of the link. Image at end of post. I think we need to make a distinction between LE, and Nazi’s. There is a whole article on how the police needed to be be “natzified”. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-police-in-the-nazi-state Maybe we should talk to local LE and see if they are familiar with the programs offered. LE Program https://www.ushmm.org/outreach-programs/law-enforcement In the first video on page the question for law enforcement is asked, is it about enforcing the law or the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted September 6, 2023 at 02:14 PM Share Posted September 6, 2023 at 02:14 PM On 9/5/2023 at 11:36 PM, mab22 said: This is an image of I believe German law enforcement on patrol with the SS. You can see it on the second video of the link. Image at end of post. I think we need to make a distinction between LE, and Nazi’s. There is a whole article on how the police needed to be be “natzified”. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-police-in-the-nazi-state Maybe we should talk to local LE and see if they are familiar with the programs offered. LE Program https://www.ushmm.org/outreach-programs/law-enforcement In the first video on page the question for law enforcement is asked, is it about enforcing the law or the constitution. Soon enough we'll see which members of the LE community honor their oath and which ones become the Nazi / Stasi / KGB and go after law abiding citizens who for the most part support LE. Hopefully all the Sheriffs will continue their promise to NOT enforce this garbage. As far as the Illinois State Police I notice they're coming up with plans for law abiding gun owners. If they want to do some "enforcement" of gun laws maybe they should be be looking for gang members with no FOID card, Glock switches, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted September 6, 2023 at 04:22 PM Share Posted September 6, 2023 at 04:22 PM On 9/6/2023 at 9:14 AM, G214me said: Soon enough we'll see which members of the LE community honor their oath and which ones become the Nazi / Stasi / KGB and go after law abiding citizens who for the most part support LE. Hopefully all the Sheriffs will continue their promise to NOT enforce this garbage. As far as the Illinois State Police I notice they're coming up with plans for law abiding gun owners. If they want to do some "enforcement" of gun laws maybe they should be be looking for gang members with no FOID card, Glock switches, etc. As we have seen time and time again most will side with their paychecks/pensions...........prepare accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AO39 Posted September 7, 2023 at 12:22 AM Share Posted September 7, 2023 at 12:22 AM On 9/6/2023 at 11:22 AM, yurimodin said: As we have seen time and time again most will side with their paychecks/pensions...........prepare accordingly. I think it's more complicated than that. When I was active, it came down more to who knew their duty and obligation lay with the US Constitution, and those who thought an order is an order and I have to obey it. It was a matter of understanding your oath or not, and typically it was the younger officers who had heard a lot less about the Constitution in school who fell into the latter category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 7, 2023 at 12:40 AM Share Posted September 7, 2023 at 12:40 AM On 9/6/2023 at 7:22 PM, AO39 said: I think it's more complicated than that. When I was active, it came down more to who knew their duty and obligation lay with the US Constitution, and those who thought an order is an order and I have to obey it. It was a matter of understanding your oath or not, and typically it was the younger officers who had heard a lot less about the Constitution in school who fell into the latter category. Do you think it is worth bringing up the Law Enforcement program at the Holocaust museum to local law enforcement, or politely inquiring with the Chief if they participate in it? Im sure it’s a delicate conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AO39 Posted September 7, 2023 at 06:15 PM Share Posted September 7, 2023 at 06:15 PM On 9/6/2023 at 7:40 PM, mab22 said: Do you think it is worth bringing up the Law Enforcement program at the Holocaust museum to local law enforcement, or politely inquiring with the Chief if they participate in it? Im sure it’s a delicate conversation. There would be nothing remotely delicate in that conversation in any law enforcement agency I've ever worked with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiliconSorcerer Posted September 8, 2023 at 07:15 PM Share Posted September 8, 2023 at 07:15 PM Few cop's I know say their towns have no plans to help state on registration laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmart Posted September 8, 2023 at 11:50 PM Share Posted September 8, 2023 at 11:50 PM The reality is nobody's going to make plans until they're ordered to do the job. Then they'll just use the plans developed by the Feds. Anyone remember the COVID response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted September 9, 2023 at 01:55 AM Author Share Posted September 9, 2023 at 01:55 AM On 9/8/2023 at 2:15 PM, SiliconSorcerer said: Few cop's I know say their towns have no plans to help state on registration laws. I was at a LGS today and can confirm that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted September 9, 2023 at 03:23 PM Share Posted September 9, 2023 at 03:23 PM On 9/8/2023 at 8:55 PM, steveTA84 said: I was at a LGS today and can confirm that Heard the same from 2 troopers. Though has been said many times here, when it comes to throwing some random dude in the clink or losing that gold-plated pension, I think we know what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted September 9, 2023 at 08:41 PM Share Posted September 9, 2023 at 08:41 PM Saying and doing are two very different things . Will have to see it to believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted September 11, 2023 at 04:59 AM Share Posted September 11, 2023 at 04:59 AM Hey Steve, Lol, why am I not the least bit surprised by your threads opening post? The only thing I have doubts on is the fact that JB may wait for the next big shooting to get the ball rolling on this. Frankly I expect it as soon as registration is over. I'm so frustrated with everything that's been going on in Springfield. I really wanna up and move ASAP. The problem is, all the homes we've been looking at in free states have gone up so much more than our home here it's silly. Ours has gone up nicely, so I'm not complaining, (except for the ridiculous real estate taxes we pay) At first it looked like we were actually going to get some good bang for our buck in Tn. or Ky. That's simply no longer the case. Home prices where we've been looking have skyrocketed. The real estate taxes down in both states are so inexpensive compared to here, it's mind blowing. I had a lot of confidence in the fact that we would prevail based on logical Constitutional law. So far I've been dead wrong on all counts. I'm not sure where Mr. Tom Devore and his clients stand now. I did hear him mention that since the Il. Supreme Court ruled on Caulkins, his stay could be stopped at any moment, per his own words. Anyway, I hope all you folks are healthy and doing well. Have a good week ahead all. Frustrated and crusty old guy JDW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted September 11, 2023 at 05:09 AM Share Posted September 11, 2023 at 05:09 AM On 9/10/2023 at 11:59 PM, JDW said: I'm not sure where Mr. Tom Devore and his clients stand now. I did hear him mention that since the Il. Supreme Court ruled on Caulkins, his stay could be stopped at any moment, per his own words. This is the case. The TROs were dissolved by the court that issued them and the case dismissed shortly after the IL Supreme Court ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted September 11, 2023 at 05:20 AM Share Posted September 11, 2023 at 05:20 AM On 9/11/2023 at 12:09 AM, Upholder said: This is the case. The TROs were dissolved by the court that issued them and the case dismissed shortly after the IL Supreme Court ruling. Thanks for the update Upholder. That stinks, but it went as Mr. D. thought it might after Caulkins. I still regret not being a plantiff. Dumb move on my part. Sorry guys. Geeze we need some positive news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 11, 2023 at 01:57 PM Share Posted September 11, 2023 at 01:57 PM On 9/11/2023 at 12:09 AM, Upholder said: This is the case. The TROs were dissolved by the court that issued them and the case dismissed shortly after the IL Supreme Court ruling. Devore is currently working on motion to reconsider and it will be submitted this month. No doubt he will go to the appeals court if necessary. Keep in mind the state said he Devore case WAS different then the Caulkins case. So we shall see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 13, 2023 at 02:27 AM Share Posted September 13, 2023 at 02:27 AM Devore Motion to Reconsider will be filled tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDW Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:25 AM Share Posted September 18, 2023 at 03:25 AM Tom had a live stream on YT tonight in case anyone wanted to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodoun da Vinci Posted September 21, 2023 at 06:02 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 06:02 PM I have a feeling they (The ISP) has a good feel for who has banned firearms and has not registered them by the end of January. I'd guess we'll see a couple very high profile people subjected to felony "test cases" to show us they mean business. People *will* go to jail on this stuff. Mark my words. VooDoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted September 21, 2023 at 08:08 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 08:08 PM On 9/21/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said: I have a feeling they (The ISP) has a good feel for who has banned firearms and has not registered them by the end of January. I'd guess we'll see a couple very high profile people subjected to felony "test cases" to show us they mean business. People *will* go to jail on this stuff. Mark my words. VooDoo And none of those arrested will be the mind-altered zombies that are already known to the psych profession and law enforcement - the pool of whackos likely to be the next mass shooters. Because idiots believe "it's the gun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:07 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:07 PM On 9/21/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said: I have a feeling they (The ISP) has a good feel for who has banned firearms and has not registered them by the end of January. I'd guess we'll see a couple very high profile people subjected to felony "test cases" to show us they mean business. People *will* go to jail on this stuff. Mark my words. VooDoo How would they know? That would require them to keep a record of all the NICS checks that they do. Not that I don't suspect that they keep all those records on the side, that would validate many foil hats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countyline Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:28 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:28 PM On 9/21/2023 at 4:07 PM, mab22 said: How would they know? That would require them to keep a record of all the NICS checks that they do. Not that I don't suspect that they keep all those records on the side, that would validate many foil hats! The background check only includes the type of firearm, (rifle, shotgun, handgun, muzzleloader, etc), not the make, model, or serial number. They will have to start manually inspecting 4473's in order to be sure. When we hear of that happening, then we will know its going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:30 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 09:30 PM On 9/21/2023 at 4:28 PM, countyline said: The background check only includes the type of firearm, (rifle, shotgun, handgun, muzzleloader, etc), not the make, model, or serial number. They will have to start manually inspecting 4473's in order to be sure. When we hear of that happening, then we will know its going down. What makes you so sure they have to go FFL to FFL to get the data and they don't already have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodoun da Vinci Posted September 21, 2023 at 10:09 PM Share Posted September 21, 2023 at 10:09 PM On 9/21/2023 at 4:28 PM, countyline said: When we hear of that happening, then we will know its going down. I don't think we will hear about it happening. I predict we will see a few dozen hand chosen "suspects" singled out and prosecuted for retaining unregistered/Illegal Evil Black Rifles and hung up to dry in "Test Cases" which even if they prevail in court will cost them tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees to retain their freedom. I think the whole point of this PICA thing is to create Felons out of honset tax paying citizens who possess what is now considered to be contraband. The language and convoluted verbiage is deliberate. Proponents of PICA want to destroy the financial stability of those who resist. If you register, the registration will be hacked and The List distributed to people who will come to yer home at 3 am and call you out, dox you, destroy you for owning these type of firearms. If you don't register or fail to grasp the multitude of silly crap verbiage the ISP will make an example of you. They want our guns in the dirt and they don't care if model citizens get liquidated by legal fees or convoluted rhetoric. They want obedience and fear. And if we resist the nails that stand up *will* be pounded down. Where is the Supreme Court on this issue? VooDoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.