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There’s gotta be some substance to this if it’s being said

 

https://www.gunssavelife.com/2023/08/21/illinois-exec-dir-report-its-not-good-right-now-but-dont-lose-hope/

 

Something else to think about: Will Rep. Bob Morgan introduce a new bill in January to “close the existing owner loophole” and demand owners surrender all registered guns, mags & parts?

Sources inside the Pritzker administration have hinted that the governor will advocate for just such a “close the existing owner loophole” law immediately after the first mass casualty event after registration closes. Especially if it happens in IL.

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On 8/21/2023 at 2:17 PM, steveTA84 said:

There’s gotta be some substance to this if it’s being said

 

https://www.gunssavelife.com/2023/08/21/illinois-exec-dir-report-its-not-good-right-now-but-dont-lose-hope/

 

Something else to think about: Will Rep. Bob Morgan introduce a new bill in January to “close the existing owner loophole” and demand owners surrender all registered guns, mags & parts?

Sources inside the Pritzker administration have hinted that the governor will advocate for just such a “close the existing owner loophole” law immediately after the first mass casualty event after registration closes. Especially if it happens in IL.

When we toured the Capitol building this year I pointed out Morgan to my wife. He was down in the basement conferring with someone in hushed tones - like a RAT.

Pritzker's own pet rat. Draw your own conclusions.

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On 8/21/2023 at 6:41 PM, RECarry said:

When we toured the Capitol building this year I pointed out Morgan to my wife. He was down in the basement conferring with someone in hushed tones - like a RAT.

Pritzker's own pet rat. Draw your own conclusions.

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On 8/21/2023 at 6:41 PM, RECarry said:

When we toured the Capitol building this year I pointed out Morgan to my wife. He was down in the basement conferring with someone in hushed tones - like a RAT.

Pritzker's own pet rat. Draw your own conclusions.

Over 3000 bills were introduced in the General Assembly, but with your lip reading and mindreading skills you were able to know precisely what they were talking about. 

Here are five new bills proposed in the Illinois General Assembly (sj-r.com)

When you have a conversation with someone in a public place, do you speak very loudly when you are next to someone so that everyone within 50 feet can hear? 

 

"HEY TOM, DO YOU AND JANE WANT TO COME OVER TOMORROW?" "YEAH, JACK WOULD BE GREAT!" 

 

 

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On 8/21/2023 at 7:02 PM, Quiet Observer said:

Over 3000 bills were introduced in the General Assembly, but with your lip reading and mindreading skills you were able to know precisely what they were talking about. 

Here are five new bills proposed in the Illinois General Assembly (sj-r.com)

When you have a conversation with someone in a public place, do you speak very loudly when you are next to someone so that everyone within 50 feet can hear? 

 

"HEY TOM, DO YOU AND JANE WANT TO COME OVER TOMORROW?" "YEAH, JACK WOULD BE GREAT!" 

 

 

Did I claim to know exactly what they were taking about? Morgan and this other person were the ONLY ones meeting in a corner of the basement. All other conversations were happening on the main floor and above. The observation is that rats and mice avoid daylight. You're content with ANY bills Bob Morgan would endorse?

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On 8/21/2023 at 7:02 PM, Quiet Observer said:

Over 3000 bills were introduced in the General Assembly, but with your lip reading and mindreading skills you were able to know precisely what they were talking about. 

Here are five new bills proposed in the Illinois General Assembly (sj-r.com)

When you have a conversation with someone in a public place, do you speak very loudly when you are next to someone so that everyone within 50 feet can hear? 

 

"HEY TOM, DO YOU AND JANE WANT TO COME OVER TOMORROW?" "YEAH, JACK WOULD BE GREAT!" 

 

 

1. Some people are VERY loud, others may be hard of hearing, so yes it’s always possible to hear people 50 feet away.
2. You have to love and respect a journalist, Democrap mouth piece, that starts going on the offensive immediately in their article “so called news”. Keep attacking Devore Because he ran and lost. When will we see “Failed Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton”, “Who lost to Donald Trump” introductions in articles?
 

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Legal challenges to Illinois' ban on the sale and purchase of assault-style weapons have mounted in recent weeks at the state and federal levels.

The efforts have been led by Republicans, including three lawsuits from failed Attorney General candidate Thomas DeVore. 


 

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The last time I went to IHOP was in Dekalb near NIU.  Multiple tables of children having conversations through their phones, or music, that the rest of the place doesn't care to hear.  I appreciate those rats that are quiet in conversation.  Besides, I think for as dumb as the D's in control are, they're smart enough to talk "business" outside of the Capitol building.

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None of this matters at this point. The Illinois Republicans are powerless to change this gun ban. They are trying to show they support gun rights with no ability to save them.

 

“Suing to stop the registration?
Yes, that was our first inclination, too. Then we consulted legal experts. We learned that no gun registration scheme has ever been rejected by any court in America. If that wasn’t enough, we could easily end up in front of the very same three-judge panel at the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals after spending $100k on a new lawsuit. So we’re taking a pass.”

 

Nobody is riding to our rescue I fear. Some here are optimistic about the last highest court stopping all this. Don’t hold your breath.

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On 8/21/2023 at 4:49 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

They want the registration period to happen. Even if the courts eventually knock PICA out, IL won't delete that information.

 

The next bill will be turn them in. 

 

 

I agree, Registration is something every tyrannical regime and freedom hating "gun control" loon wants more than anything else. The leftist scum that runs this garbage can state would have been smart to not ban anything at all and only pass registration as a first step. The zombie majority voters may have went for this if it was a mild first step but the regime is way to greedy for that.

 

WE decide if the regime gets its ultimate prize.... A list of what they'll confiscate. All the ban stuff sucks of course and will cause a lot of pain but they still lose without the list of who has what. Eventually ( hopefully ) PICA gets knocked down in court and if the regime has no registration list they go back to square one and have jack s**t.

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On 8/22/2023 at 11:31 PM, lilguy said:

None of this matters at this point. The Illinois Republicans are powerless to change this gun ban. They are trying to show they support gun rights with no ability to save them.

 

“Suing to stop the registration?
Yes, that was our first inclination, too. Then we consulted legal experts. We learned that no gun registration scheme has ever been rejected by any court in America. If that wasn’t enough, we could easily end up in front of the very same three-judge panel at the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals after spending $100k on a new lawsuit. So we’re taking a pass.”

 

Nobody is riding to our rescue I fear. Some here are optimistic about the last highest court stopping all this. Don’t hold your breath.

You mind telling us who said the quote?

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On 8/22/2023 at 11:31 PM, lilguy said:

None of this matters at this point. The Illinois Republicans are powerless to change this gun ban. They are trying to show they support gun rights with no ability to save them.

 

“Suing to stop the registration?
Yes, that was our first inclination, too. Then we consulted legal experts. We learned that no gun registration scheme has ever been rejected by any court in America. If that wasn’t enough, we could easily end up in front of the very same three-judge panel at the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals after spending $100k on a new lawsuit. So we’re taking a pass.”

 

Nobody is riding to our rescue I fear. Some here are optimistic about the last highest court stopping all this. Don’t hold your breath.


Doesn’t the case mentioned at the end of this post deal with the registration aspect, either this case doesn’t apply, or they didn’t do enough research.

 

https://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?/topic/81687-concern-about-registering-semi-auto-rifles/&do=findComment&comment=1375219

 

Haynes v United States.

 

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/390/85/

  

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On 8/22/2023 at 11:31 PM, lilguy said:

None of this matters at this point. The Illinois Republicans are powerless to change this gun ban. They are trying to show they support gun rights with no ability to save them.

 

“Suing to stop the registration?
Yes, that was our first inclination, too. Then we consulted legal experts. We learned that no gun registration scheme has ever been rejected by any court in America. If that wasn’t enough, we could easily end up in front of the very same three-judge panel at the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals after spending $100k on a new lawsuit. So we’re taking a pass.”

 

Nobody is riding to our rescue I fear. Some here are optimistic about the last highest court stopping all this. Don’t hold your breath.

 

No registration scheme has been rejected; correct. Whether it has been deemed unconstitutional? debatable. Haynes merely said, a felon cannot be incriminated through failure to register. So the main scheme of registration schemes falls flat: it merely tells the government where and who owns what. Whether the government has enough goodwill and manpower to enforce is another story. Get some CCW Insurance. Don't respond or say anything. 

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On 8/23/2023 at 5:16 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

No registration scheme has been rejected; correct. Whether it has been deemed unconstitutional? debatable. Haynes merely said, a felon cannot be incriminated through failure to register. So the main scheme of registration schemes falls flat: it merely tells the government where and who owns what. Whether the government has enough goodwill and manpower to enforce is another story. Get some CCW Insurance. Don't respond or say anything. 

So we have to become felons for not registering, before we can be protected from registering under the 5th?
 

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On 8/24/2023 at 9:33 AM, mab22 said:

So we have to become felons for not registering, before we can be protected from registering under the 5th?
 

 

Any other violation of Protect Illinois Communites is a Class A Misdemeanor. That's on Page 66; lines 6-7. Most of the felonies come in for people who make, purchase, deliver and possess. That's going to be a really difficult for ISP to enforce.

 

Looking at most of the felony charges, these are based on people who try buying/bringing firearms across the state lines.

If you "knowingly" purchased something, it's a felony. 

 

So you're essentially working with defending yourself against Class A Misdemeanor charges. That's nothing.

People get charged with DUI's to enhance speeding ticket violations and those cases are generally tossed 

later due to lack of evidence. 

 

Nobody will become a felon. The first person to get arrested with a Class A Misdemeanor will have no 

criminal record and seeking dismissal based on Bruen applied. 

 

Make the state earn it's prosecution. Don't enable them. Today it's a Class A Misdemeanor; tomorrow it could

be a felony. It's easier to defend yourself in court by NOT registering. 

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Additionally, some service pistol models may be banned by PICA.

 

First, let's look at the text,

  (E) A semiautomatic pistol that can accept a
14            detachable magazine and has at least one of the following:
15                    (i) An ability to accept a detachable ammunition
16                magazine that attaches at some location outside of the
17                pistol grip.
18                    (ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a
19                flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer.
20                    (iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially
21                or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits
22                the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned,
23                except a slide that encloses the barrel.

This essentially means, any service pistol with a UPC Code that
involves "threaded barrel" or is marketed from the factory as
"suppressor ready" is covered by the ban..


FNX-45 Tactical 

Ruger Mark IV

HK45 Compact Tactical 

Nighthawk Custom GRP

Beretta M9A3 

Shadow Systems MR920

CZ P-09

Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0

Hushpuppy Glock

CZ P10 Series; C or SR.

CZ P10C; F.

Essentially, these are technically banned if they are factory "suppressor ready" models. Depending on how the "has at least" language is interpreted. 

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On 8/24/2023 at 9:30 AM, steveTA84 said:

Once again, why is no one suing yet on the violation of federal law under FOPA?

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You mean this part?

Wouldn't this also apply to the FOID as a registry of Firearm owners, or "Potential" owners?

Sources : https://www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/49/text , https://www.congress.gov/99/statute/STATUTE-100/STATUTE-100-Pg449.pdf

Bottom pf page 11 on the PDF.

 

 

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SEC. 106. AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 926.
Section 926 of title 18 of the United States Code is amended—
(1) by inserting "(a)" before "The Secretary" the first place it
occurs;
(2) by inserting "only" after "prescribe";
(3) by striking out "as he deems reasonably" and inserting in
lieu thereof "as are";
(4) by striking out the last sentence and inserting in lieu
thereof "No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of
the enactment of the Firearms Owners' Protection Act may
require that records required to be maintained under this chap-
ter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at
or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the
United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof,
nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms
owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established
.

 

 

 

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