Citing antisemitism, Jewish charity CEO challenges NY’s concealed carry law in court

[Lou]

JTA — The CEO of Kars4Kids, the Jewish charity with a catchy advertising jingle, is challenging New York state’s concealed carry law in court — claiming that it leaves children vulnerable to antisemitic attacks.

Eliyohu Mintz, who heads Kars4Kids, is also the CEO of Oorah, a Jewish outreach nonprofit funded by Kars4Kids that runs a summer camp in upstate New York. In a federal lawsuit filed Friday, Mintz and a camp administrator, Eric Schwartz, say the law exposes the camp to antisemitic attack because it bans private citizens from carrying guns in places where religious activities are conducted.

“The violent attacks on Jewish people targeting places of worship and places where children are — the most vulnerable of the population — are random and provide the victims with no notice or advance warning,” Mintz said in a declaration attached to the lawsuit. “I cannot be left unprepared and unarmed in the event that an evildoer decides to attack one or both of the [camp’s] campuses, nor can the other licensed staff members.”
 

More here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/citing-antisemitism-jewish-charity-ceo-challenges-nys-concealed-carry-law-in-court/

[yurimodin]

just carry anyway ffs

[Lou]

Never again!

[Quiet Observer]

I do not see where the law is specifically antisemitic. 

It puts any camp or recreational institution run by a religious group in New York state in danger from those who would do harm. 

 

This may be outdated, but in 2017 there were 9 states that restricted guns in places of worship.

Two States Ban Concealed Carry In Church, Seven Require Permission | GOA (gunowners.org) 

 

I was surprised that Illinois did not ban guns in places of worship when the FCCL was passed. I think it still is introduced at each legislative session.

 

[mikew]

On 7/4/2023 at 9:07 PM, Lou said:

Never again!

Never again, and again, again, again and again.   <- liberal american jewish population, aided by global progressive propaganda.

 

 

 

[mikew]

On 7/5/2023 at 9:06 AM, Quiet Observer said:

I was surprised that Illinois did not ban guns in places of worship when the FCCL was passed. I think it still is introduced at each legislative session.

 

There are ethnic groups that give a lot of pushback against that suggestion, or so I've heard.
The rabbis don't tend to be those objecting.

One Illinois legislator who introduced such a bill in the previous GA was  a rabbi, IIRC.

[JTHunter]

It has always puzzled me that, considering the horrors their ancestors endured during WW2, so many Jews have not only voted for anti-gun liberals but have been anti-gun themselves.  You would think that with history like that these people should be the most ardent supporters of private gun ownership.

[yurimodin]

On 7/5/2023 at 12:52 PM, JTHunter said:

It has always puzzled me that, considering the horrors their ancestors endured during WW2, so many Jews have not only voted for anti-gun liberals but have been anti-gun themselves.  You would think that with history like that these people should be the most ardent supporters of private gun ownership.

its just ingrained loyalty to King FDR.....much like ppl who lived through the depression.

[Quiet Observer]

I think that some Jews and Christians think that they are following, "Thou shalt not kill". 

Others will point out that murder is a better translation. Scripture mentions that self-defense and protection of others may result in the death of the aggressor and is to be excused from punishment. 

It even prescribes the death penalty for certain offenses. 

 

I can understand the fear of bad people doing evil with guns. But signs on doors and wishing protects no one. 

 

 

[mikew]

On 7/5/2023 at 3:01 PM, Quiet Observer said:

I think that some Jews and Christians think that they are following, "Thou shalt not kill". 

Others will point out that murder is a better translation. Scripture mentions that self-defense and protection of others may result in the death of the aggressor and is to be excused from punishment. 

It even prescribes the death penalty for certain offenses. 

 

I can understand the fear of bad people doing evil with guns. But signs on doors and wishing protects no one. 

 

 

Yes, "Thou shalt not murder."

And the Jews stress:     "Choose Life."

 

 

 

[mikew]

On 7/5/2023 at 10:17 AM, mikew said:

One Illinois legislator who introduced such a bill in the previous GA was  a rabbi, IIRC.

HB3023, 101st GA

 

There was some outrage from more sensible clergy and the bill was tabled. I am having a hard time finding any news about it from 2019.

 

[Euler]

In most places, murder is illegal. In Illinois (and some other states, probably including NY), it's extra-illegal to murder someone in a place of worship. That'll stop those murderers from murdering.

[Jeffrey]

On 7/5/2023 at 9:06 AM, Quiet Observer said:

I do not see where the law is specifically antisemitic. 

It puts any camp or recreational institution run by a religious group in New York state in danger from those who would do harm. 

 

This may be outdated, but in 2017 there were 9 states that restricted guns in places of worship.

Two States Ban Concealed Carry In Church, Seven Require Permission | GOA (gunowners.org) 

 

I was surprised that Illinois did not ban guns in places of worship when the FCCL was passed. I think it still is introduced at each legislative session.

 

Mary Shepard is a big reason we have CC here.  I believe her attack was in a church.  Watching some of the recent shootings, the cross dressing mental maniac's are starting to target more of the kids and churches.  I quit going to our church of many years over the sticker.  I don't want to break laws ever but I also don't want to enter soft target locations unarmed.  Concealed will always mean concealed.

[Quiet Observer]

On 7/6/2023 at 8:40 AM, Jeffrey said:

Mary Shepard is a big reason we have CC here.  I believe her attack was in a church.  Watching some of the recent shootings, the cross dressing mental maniac's are starting to target more of the kids and churches.  I quit going to our church of many years over the sticker.  I don't want to break laws ever but I also don't want to enter soft target locations unarmed.  Concealed will always mean concealed.

Many of us here are familiar with her story. She, of course, was one of the first, of many, to receive an Illinois CCL. 

He trainers were Mike and Valinda Rowe. I think that they have a little something to do with Illinois Carry.  😜

Mary Shepard #1 In IL to be Qualified for Concealed Carry License (ammoland.com)

[sin]

On 7/5/2023 at 5:56 PM, Euler said:

In most places, murder is illegal. In Illinois (and some other states, probably including NY), it's extra-illegal to murder someone in a place of worship. That'll stop those murderers from murdering.

Exactly! because we have laws in place and they work /s

[SiliconSorcerer]

I always thought being Jewish and voting for a Democrat or being against your right to protect yourself with a firearm as an oxymoron. 

Hello, history tell you anything???

[RECarry]

On 7/6/2023 at 12:03 PM, SiliconSorcerer said:

I always thought being Jewish and voting for a Democrat or being against your right to protect yourself with a firearm as an oxymoron. 

Hello, history tell you anything???

 

Highland Park - Ground Zero for victimhood, a "blame others" mentality, psych med use, and "more laws are the solution".

[mab22]

On 7/5/2023 at 12:52 PM, JTHunter said:

It has always puzzled me that, considering the horrors their ancestors endured during WW2, so many Jews have not only voted for anti-gun liberals but have been anti-gun themselves.  You would think that with history like that these people should be the most ardent supporters of private gun ownership.

I could be wrong but I think they were disarmed first, then —- we all know what happened. 

[JTHunter]

On 7/7/2023 at 9:23 AM, mab22 said:

I could be wrong but I think they were disarmed first, then —- we all know what happened. 

 

My point.  With that history, WHY are they anti-gun NOW?? 🤔

[mikew]

On 7/7/2023 at 9:23 AM, mab22 said:

I could be wrong but I think they were disarmed first, then —- we all know what happened. 

"We're all civilized Germans, of course we don't need guns."

[G214me]

The fact that so many people want no part of gun ownership and have no interest in defending themselves or their family its shocking to me. Even with thousands of years of governments turning on their own populations and cities like Chicago loaded with crime some still want to be helpless.

[RECarry]

Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership may have answers

[mab22]

On 7/4/2023 at 8:37 PM, yurimodin said:

just carry anyway ffs

Eventually they make the laws so bad that carrying. "without a permission slip", will land you some pretty outrageous punishments that it must be dealt with in the courts.

[Glock43]

Am I missing something here - is this really a CCW case?

 

You don’t need a CCW to carry in your own own home or on your own property.  Or someone else’s with permission.

 

CCW is for “public” carry.

[Euler]

On August 29, 2023 at 11:16 PM, Glock43 said:→

Am I missing something here - is this really a CCW case?

You don’t need a CCW to carry in your own own home or on your own property. Or someone else’s with permission.

CCW is for “public” carry.

New York's "carry" law prohibits carry in places of worship, even though they are someone's private property and even if that someone wants to give permission.

Remember that NY's carry law is really an elaborate vampire law. It prohibits carry virtually everywhere unless invited, but then denies owners the ability to invite entry in many cases, as well.