Concern about registering semi-auto rifles

[crufflesmuth]

Someone mentioned the ISP requesting 4473 records; using FTIP; FOID transaction records.

 

They already have access to this information.

 

Under Dealer licensing, any police officer can inspect any FFL Dealer's records.

 

When they run your license plates; they can see whether you have a FOID; or a FOID and CCL combo card. 

 

A friend of mine just finished wrapping up a horrible DUI/Combo Drugs case.

 

Seven months.

 

He was a FOID/CCL holder. 

He forgot to recite the entire FOID address, which they knew; he mentioned he put an address change in.

They knew it was being changed; railroaded him. Guy got DUI/Combo Drugs dropped, paid for some

traffic tickets with supervision.

 

Point of the story: the police don't need your registration or affidavit to know what you've got or 

what you potentially might have. Any information or statement you give to the police, no matter how well intentioned

or reasoned it WILL be used against you.

 

So that's my rationale for it being better to not comply with this law. The endorsement expires.

You'll be in violation, except they'll have everything to prosecute you with. Connecticut's newest

laws only show what further compliance brings: eventual confiscation. With non-compliance,

the state actually has to spend more resources to convict you of a felony. 

 

Why make it easier for them? 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 at 01:15 AM by crufflesmuth

[crufflesmuth]

(e) This Section does not apply to a person who possessed
5		an assault weapon or .50 caliber rifle prohibited by
6		subsection (d) of this Section before the effective date of
7		this amendatory Act of the 102nd General Assembly, if the
8		person has provided in a registration affidavit, under oath or
9		affirmation and in the form and manner prescribed by the
10		Illinois State Police on or after 180 days after the effective
11		date of this amendatory Act of the 102nd General Assembly but
12		within 300 days after the effective date of this amendatory
13		Act of the 102nd General Assembly:

 

 

The form and manner language in lines 9 and 10 give the Illinois State Police the ability to choose how Assault Weapons are registered/possessed. Unlike the CCL law, Assault Weapons that are "endorsed" on a FOID, through registration, those endorsements will disappear once a FOID expires or renews. Whichever would come first. There is no statutory language which allows for an Assault Weapon "endorsement" to be renewed, expire or anything. Illinois State Police has never addressed this question. Congratulations, your weapons are "possessed" after PICA and eventually illegally possessed because there is no mechanism for those endorsements to be renewed.

Edited June 14, 2023 at 01:42 AM by crufflesmuth

[Euler]

On 6/19/2023 at 8:39 PM, Dx54r said:

So... the wheels of time grind slower until registration. Where are the courts? Where are the TRO's? Where are the cases? 

 

All I hear week after week is silence wgich makes me think that ONCE AGAIN we are gling to be screwed over hard.

 

Judicial Second Amendment Case Discussion > Barnett v. Raoul (3:23-cv-00209) (S.D. Ill. 2023) - NSSF Gun/Mag Ban

[RECarry]

On 6/19/2023 at 9:16 PM, Dx54r said:

Thanks.

 

Still, they take our rights in the dead of night with 24 hours of debate and it has been 6 months and we haven't made much traction towards reversing this. Extremely frustrating to watch.

 

Gun owners are not the extremist domestic terrorists the media makes them out to be.  

[yurimodin]

On 6/19/2023 at 9:16 PM, Dx54r said:

Thanks.

 

Still, they take our rights in the dead of night with 24 hours of debate and it has been 6 months and we haven't made much traction towards reversing this. Extremely frustrating to watch.

we would actually be in good shape if it wasn't for Eastercrook

[crufflesmuth]

On 6/19/2023 at 7:39 PM, Dx54r said:

So... the wheels of time grind slower until registration. Where are the courts? Where are the TRO's? Where are the cases? 

 

All I hear week after week is silence wgich makes me think that ONCE AGAIN we are gling to be screwed over hard.

 

Until registration? This isn't New Zealand. For now, people are evaluating options and making decisions. 

[Plinkermostly]

"evaluating options," read: free states

[lilguy]

When is the ISP supposed to release details of the registration system?

[mab22]

On 6/25/2023 at 4:09 AM, lilguy said:

When is the ISP supposed to release details of the registration system?

Mr. Figayzee says 8 8. 

[djmarkla]

On 6/25/2023 at 9:57 AM, mab22 said:

Mr. Figayzee says 8 8. 

He wouldn't know his 8ead from a 8ole in the ground! 

[BikerNut]

On 6/23/2023 at 1:52 PM, Plinkermostly said:

"evaluating options," read: free states

 Sold our house in Crook County. In 28 days, I'll be in a free state.

 

My guns are already there, waiting for me.

[ealcala31]

On 7/21/2023 at 1:15 PM, BikerNut said:

 Sold our house in Crook County. In 28 days, I'll be in a free state.

 

My guns are already there, waiting for me.

I envy you. Hopefully in 2yrs, I will be next...

[John Q Public]

I think the SC is fast becoming moot. They are going to slow walk this thing and if the SC does rule, they will just write another UnCon slightly less bold and pass that, and on it will go until they change the face of the court one way or another.

 

I wish I didn't think that, but that's where we are unless some major changes happen.

 

I hope I am in error.\

 

JQ

Edited July 22, 2023 at 06:52 PM by John Q Public

[ragsbo]

On 7/22/2023 at 12:41 PM, John Q Public said:

I don't think the SC is fast becoming moot. They are going to slow walk this thing and if the SC does rule, they will just write another UnCon slightly less bold and pass that, and on it will go until they change the face of the court one way or another.

 

I wish I didn't think that, but that's where we are unless some major changes happen.

 

I hope I am in error.\

 

JQ

I would agree with you. The only way it would change is WHEN these anti American/Constitution folks are held accountable and made to pay a hefty price for violating our rights.

[crufflesmuth]

On 7/22/2023 at 1:53 PM, ragsbo said:

I would agree with you. The only way it would change is WHEN these anti American/Constitution folks are held accountable and made to pay a hefty price for violating our rights.

 

You can be risk-averse and move to another state, or evaluate options. I would rather buy CCW Insurance and lock away semi-auto rifles than play self-incrimination games with ISP. 

[John Q Public]

To be 100% clear, I advocate for peaceful means ONLY! 

[spanishjames]

On 7/22/2023 at 12:41 PM, John Q Public said:

I think the SC is fast becoming moot. They are going to slow walk this thing and if the SC does rule, they will just write another UnCon slightly less bold and pass that, and on it will go until they change the face of the court one way or another.

 

I wish I didn't think that, but that's where we are unless some major changes happen.

 

I hope I am in error.\

 

JQ

I hope that doesn't happen either. 

Edited July 23, 2023 at 03:37 AM by spanishjames

[steveTA84]

On 6/25/2023 at 4:09 AM, lilguy said:

When is the ISP supposed to release details of the registration system?

October, and When they do, a massive chunk of people that bought stuff during freedom week will not be able to submit an affidavit because the state isn’t recognizing those purchases as lawful and have stated there’s no “legal” way to register them, so basically if you submit an affidavit and declare items bought during that time, you’re admitting to felonies when you actually did no wrong and if you register and keep said items off, you’re committing perjury. This is textbook 5th amendment violations.  I’m not a lawyer, but not submitting an affidavit because you would have no way to not self-incriminate is reason enough to really question when it comes time (if this garbage law is still surviving by then)

 

applies too if you’re part of a TRO that/if it goes away 

Edited July 23, 2023 at 07:17 PM by steveTA84

[ealcala31]

On 7/23/2023 at 7:49 PM, Dx54r said:

The Illinois State Police.

 

At the end of the day this is all on them. Our garbage, corrupt state politicians may pass these laws but the ISP interprets, implements, and enforces them. I know that law abiding gun owners as a group overwhelmingly support police officers but if they actually enforce this, they are complicit in breaking their oath and aren't worthy of support. No more backing the blue. No more charity. No more goodwill. No more discounts or free training. No more respect. If any trooper deludes themselves by thinking that they disagree with these laws but will still enforce them for their pensions or to support their families, so were the motivations of many terrible groups of people through history. Maybe your oath has you confused because it is 156 words long and filled with two-faced garbage but at it's heart is an oath to uphold US constitution.

 

Right now I will give ISP the benefit of the doubt on this because I have known some of their ranks and found them to be among the highest caliber of people I have ever met. If you can't walk in the footsteps of the giants of the past, please find a new job before October.

 

Thanks.

     I don't know enough ISP, CPD, county sheriff's, or other IL-LE to determine whether they would enforce this law on principle or not. BUT, when push comes to shove, I am betting more than 90% will make that arrest if their jobs were put on the line. And that's being conservative! Remember, most of these guys/gals owe their job to someone politically connected and most of these IL-LEs don't give 2 $h!ts about the 2nd Amendment. They won't lose any sleep arresting you or me...

    

[davel501]

On 7/23/2023 at 8:37 PM, ealcala31 said:

     I don't know enough ISP, CPD, county sheriff's, or other IL-LE to determine whether they would enforce this law on principle or not. BUT, when push comes to shove, I am betting more than 90% will make that arrest if their jobs were put on the line. And that's being conservative! Remember, most of these guys/gals owe their job to someone politically connected and most of these IL-LEs don't give 2 $h!ts about the 2nd Amendment. They won't lose any sleep arresting you or me...

    

 

I don't know a single government employee that owes their job to someone. Cops are cops because they met the minimum standard on a test and were still interested in the job when the department got around to calling them back 6 months to 6 years later. 

 

The corruption in government is at the contractor level. 

Edited July 24, 2023 at 01:49 AM by davel501

[JTHunter]

My biggest concern is that if they DO try and enforce this "claptrap", there will be an incredible number of "injuries" on both sides.

[Tip]

I suspect most, more rural, local LE will have more pressings things to do than enforcement activities surrounding this law. Many have already said so.

I also suspect they will have more pressing things to do than support whatever state agencies might be attempting enforcement activities in their jurisdictions.

Of course, y’all in the big city may find YMMV….

[jackinelgin]

In the small SE Illinois town where my son is a LEO,I have a feeling this new law is at the bottom of the list for enforcement. Like mentioned previously,in a big city it might be a whole different priority.

[John Q Public]

As I said above... here we go;

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/professors-urge-biden-defy-mistaken-rulings-maga-supreme-court-justices

[ealcala31]

On 7/23/2023 at 8:49 PM, davel501 said:

 

I don't know a single government employee that owes their job to someone. Cops are cops because they met the minimum standard on a test and were still interested in the job when the department got around to calling them back 6 months to 6 years later. 

 

The corruption in government is at the contractor level. 

Grew up in Chicago for 39 out of 44yrs, all the guys I played baseball with are either cops or fireman. Every one of them talk $h!t about how this guy got to the academy because of his father, uncle, alderman, etc. or how he moved up in the department for not knowing $h!t. In Chicago, you know alderman can recommend you to become detective, sergeant, etc. Let's just say that alderman, use those recommendations quite often. My very good friend, who is a Chicago fireman, could tell you endless stories on how fireman help their kids move up the ladder. The CFD lottery was a joke years ago, now its more HONEST, if that makes sense in Chicago. So, all they have to do is make it through the lottery. You want to know what's funny, Chicago is required to give the fireman's test to prominent pastors to guarantee it's not bias. Funny, how the applicant fireman who attend or know these prominent pastors always score about 100% on their test 😂. My buddy says they don't even try to hide it...

As far as corruption on the contractor level, I agree 100%. What do you expect, this is Chicago and the State of IL. Al Capone taught them how to do it and everyone else is perfecting it...

Edited July 24, 2023 at 04:03 AM by ealcala31

[steveTA84]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:54 PM, John Q Public said:

As I said above... here we go;

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/professors-urge-biden-defy-mistaken-rulings-maga-supreme-court-justices

I understand now why “academics” are purged when revolutions have happened throughout history (they kinda bring it onto themselves)

Edited July 24, 2023 at 12:51 PM by steveTA84

[cybermgk]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:54 PM, John Q Public said:

As I said above... here we go;

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/professors-urge-biden-defy-mistaken-rulings-maga-supreme-court-justices

Hmm, Wouldn't that be Insurrection in it's purest form, one equal branch ignoring the Constitutional check of another branch.  Black and white Impeachment grounds.

Edited July 24, 2023 at 03:16 PM by cybermgk

[soundguy]

On 7/24/2023 at 10:16 AM, cybermgk said:

Hmm, Wouldn't that be Insurrection in it's purest form, one equal branch ignoring the Constitutional check of another branch.  Black and white Impeachment grounds.

 

So far, Biden has not jumped on this idea and from his statement to Israel regarding similar actions, it seems as though he will not jump on it. There are also Conservatives who wish to increase the power of the President and limit what the Court or Congress can do about it.

 

This is dangerous no matter who the proposal comes from.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[ragsbo]

On 7/23/2023 at 8:49 PM, davel501 said:

 

I don't know a single government employee that owes their job to someone. Cops are cops because they met the minimum standard on a test and were still interested in the job when the department got around to calling them back 6 months to 6 years later. 

 

The corruption in government is at the contractor level. 

That would not be true around here

[ragsbo]

On 7/23/2023 at 10:54 PM, John Q Public said:

As I said above... here we go;

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/professors-urge-biden-defy-mistaken-rulings-maga-supreme-court-justices

The doubled standards rear their ugly head again. These same maggots would be screaming that you MUST follow the courts rulings IF it was to their liking and way of thinking. Since they are openly calling for sedition and violating the constitutional way of government, I am sure the federal authorities will be paying them a visit soon. (don't have purple so read last line as such)