Concern about registering semi-auto rifles

[max503]

If they make us register our semi-auto rifles, and they get away with it, what's to stop them from making us register all our guns?  

 

 

 

Think about it.

[mab22]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:22 AM, max503 said:

If they make us register our semi-auto rifles, and they get away with it, what's to stop them from making us register all our guns?  

 

 

 

Think about it.

Nothing. 
But let’s keep electing Democrats! { <—- Sarcasm }

[G214me]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:22 AM, max503 said:

If they make us register our semi-auto rifles, and they get away with it, what's to stop them from making us register all our guns?  

 

 

 

Think about it.

That's probably the plan. Liberal Democrats and murder enablers like the so called "Moms" are after law abiding gun owners NOT criminals and when the so called "protect Illinois communities act " does nothing to reduce the violence they'll start spewing more garbage about more registration and more bans on the rest of the guns. Of course they'll do nothing to push for longer prison sentences against the criminals and gangs because those are the scumbags that provide the dead bodies they use as props to come after the law abiding.

[2A4Cook]

On 5/20/2023 at 9:18 AM, G214me said:

That's probably the plan. Liberal Democrats and murder enablers like the so called "Moms" are after law abiding gun owners NOT criminals and when the so called "protect Illinois communities act " does nothing to reduce the violence they'll start spewing more garbage about more registration and more bans on the rest of the guns. Of course they'll do nothing to push for longer prison sentences against the criminals and gangs because those are the scumbags that provide the dead bodies they use as props to come after the law abiding.

True, but rest assured that if some scumbag tries to murder you and you refuse to equitably allow him to do so and use a legal firearm to defend yourself, you will be locked up for life.  Racist!

[Upholder]

On 5/20/2023 at 9:18 AM, G214me said:

when the so called "protect Illinois communities act " does nothing to reduce the violence they'll start spewing more garbage about more registration and more bans on the rest of the guns.

 

Why wait?  They said AT THE SIGNING that PICA was "a good first step".

[lilguy]

I expect nothing less. The courts may, but probably will not, permanently put an end to this. Nobody knows for sure, and probably many will not do what the state asks anyway. So technically the state will have created a major crime wave. Doing exactly what they set out to prevent.

All the states around us will still be blamed for providing fuel for the lawless situation in this state and they will decide to go after the rest of the items owned in Illinois, because that is all they can do. The FOID card will play a huge roll in creating a statewide registry of all Items.

[Lou]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:22 AM, max503 said:

If they make us register our semi-auto rifles, and they get away with it, what's to stop them from making us register all our guns?  

 

 

 

Think about it.

The strategy of the Left - Death by 1000 cuts.  

[soundguy]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:22 AM, max503 said:

... making us register all our guns ? 

 

Think about it.

 

The impossibility of that action.

Think about that.

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

[mab22]

On 5/20/2023 at 7:22 AM, max503 said:

If they make us register our semi-auto rifles, and they get away with it, what's to stop them from making us register all our guns?  

 

 

 

Think about it.

There is something else I just realized could help us out,

stop   voting   for   DEMOCRATS!

[2A4Cook]

On 5/21/2023 at 1:43 PM, mab22 said:

There is something else I just realized could help us out,

stop   voting   for   DEMOCRATS!

That one simple action (or is it an "inaction?") solves not only that problem, but 95% of the other problems remaining in this country.

[Yas]

How can a cook county resident register an evil black rifle without incriminating themselves due to the existing cook county ban? 

[mab22]

On 5/21/2023 at 6:43 PM, Yas said:

How can a cook county resident register an evil black rifle without incriminating themselves due to the existing cook county ban? 

I think it depends upon your city/town/village first, THEN county. This isn’t legal advice and I am not an attorney, and you didn’t pay me,  nor did I sleep in a holiday in express recently either. 

[davel501]

On 5/21/2023 at 9:09 PM, Dx54r said:

What if ALL of my firearms were legally purchased a few weeks ago during "freedom week"?

According to the ISP, weapons purchased in that week are not allowed to be registered , yet are not legal to own by the registration date.

Not registering my firearms will make me a felon.

Registering them will either be impossible, or will go against my right not to self-incriminate myself.

 

Whatever shall I do?

 

The judge did ask to be notified of any such shenanigans by the state. Wouldn't it be beautiful if somebody got held in contempt? That is if the law isn't permanently enjoined by then. 

[lilguy]

On 5/21/2023 at 11:17 AM, soundguy said:

 

The impossibility of that action.

Think about that.

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

Very tough but not impossible. Do not 

doubt the ability of a one party state to give it a go. Just use your imagination.

[Illinois Sucks]

How do they justify "registration"?  How does registering a rifle make Illinois any safer?  Is there a link to a study that shows how this is beneficial to anyone?

 

[BobPistol]

On 5/21/2023 at 9:50 PM, davel501 said:

 

Wouldn't it be beautiful if somebody got held in contempt?

 

Who would be held in contempt?   Will we see JB in handcuffs?   Nope!

[davel501]

On 5/23/2023 at 11:04 AM, BobPistol said:

 

Who would be held in contempt?   Will we see JB in handcuffs?   Nope!

 

It would likely be Brendon Kelly while he explains how yet again, something that is clearly his fault somehow isn't. 

[yurimodin]

Michigan already has handgun registration but I don't know if its ever been legally challenged. I also highly doubt that there is any founding era examples of registration they could lean on post Bruen. 

 

 

If we don't have any ruling by end of year I guess you guys are just gonna have to get extra creative on your storage solutions (think Anne Frank).......Personally I already sold mine a few years ago to a FFL dealer at a gunshow over in Indiana. I can't remember which one and I am not required to keep track if it goes to an FFL so sorry I can't be of more help officer.

[Rangerdeepv]

This is just the beginning..................................lots of boating accidents going to happen real soon.

[roundkot]

On 5/21/2023 at 11:17 AM, soundguy said:

 

The impossibility of that action.

Think about that.

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

No.

 

Look at Australia.  

 

Aussie registration campaign was almost a complete success.

Purchase stats vs. the registration statistics...   The number of unregistered firearms is of course unknown but is very likely to be quite small.

 

Edit: but of course the situation here is not as easy for the authorities; guns and (maybe) owners will migrate to states with different laws, if any remain.

Edited May 23, 2023 at 08:13 PM by roundkot

[Ardvark]

On 5/23/2023 at 3:08 PM, roundkot said:

No.

 

Look at Australia.  

 

Aussie registration campaign was almost a complete success.

Purchase stats vs. the registration statistics...   The number of unregistered firearms is of course unknown but is very likely to be quite small.

 

Edit: but of course the situation here is not as easy for the authorities; guns and (maybe) owners will migrate to states with different laws, if any remain.

I hope you are just being sarcastic. The Australian “buy back” was pegged at 19% compliance by the governments own analysis. New Zealand around 10%.

[soundguy]

On 5/21/2023 at 11:17 AM, soundguy said:

 

The impossibility of that action (requiring registration of all guns in Illinois).

Think about that.

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

On 5/23/2023 at 3:08 PM, roundkot said:

No.

 

Look at Australia.  

 

Aussie registration campaign was almost a complete success.

Purchase stats vs. the registration statistics...   The number of unregistered firearms is of course unknown but is very likely to be quite small.

 

On 5/23/2023 at 3:20 PM, Ardvark said:

I hope you are just being sarcastic. The Australian “buy back” was pegged at 19% compliance by the governments own analysis. New Zealand around 10%.

 

Looking around the internet, Aardvark seems to be correct.

 

When I think about the possibility of creating a registry for all firearms in Illinois, or even nationwide, I imagine many folks will be too busy doing something else to ever get around to registering their inheritance/gift guns, or those they bought from a private seller before the ISP registry happened. If there is a fee involved... forget about it. Maybe all new post registration purchases will be registered automatically.

 

Compliance with the NZ buyback seems to have been incredibly low... and they were getting cash and were already onboard with free healthcare, pensions and all those other benefits common to socialism.

 

Cheers,

Tim

[roundkot]

On 5/23/2023 at 3:20 PM, Ardvark said:

I hope you are just being sarcastic. The Australian “buy back” was pegged at 19% compliance by the governments own analysis. New Zealand around 10%.

 

Please read before jumping to reply. 

I said *registration*.

 

Edit: the owner compliance numbers I've seen vary between 80 and 90%.

Edited May 23, 2023 at 09:14 PM by roundkot

[Ardvark]

Well, nobody is going to register a prohibited gun that wasn’t turned in, in the forced buy back so that leaves Fudd guns to register LOL.

[roundkot]

There are a lot of people in Australia who legally own registered firearms.

Think about this... Completely off the book original purchases are of course off the radar, but first owner sales stats vs registration rates will give you most of the info, including that on guns that were legal but are no longer legal to own. 

[yurimodin]

Only question I want answered is if the oath breakers want the regular flag or the thin blue bs at their ceremonies.

[mauserme]

Didn't Chicago end it's decades old registry for lack of participation?

 

 

[2A4Cook]

On 5/23/2023 at 6:28 PM, mauserme said:

Didn't Chicago end it's decades old registry for lack of participation?

 

 

If I remember correctly, the registration was for handguns grandfathered as possessed prior to King Richard II's draconian ban; you had to register them annually.  I think the registry was moot when the ban was found unconstitutional?

[soundguy]

On 5/23/2023 at 6:28 PM, mauserme said:

Didn't Chicago end it's decades old registry for lack of participation?

 

 

Doing some quick reading to supplement my memory…

 

in 1968 Chicago required all firearms to be registered. Mayor Byrne prohibited the annual registration of new handguns around 1982, and if you missed your renewal date, your handgun was now unregisterable. Aldermen “Blagojovich’s Father in Law” missed his registration renewal date one year and relocated his items to Wisconsin. He later sponsored a registration amnesty. Registration was discontinued in 2013. 
 

I’m guessing compliance was low from the beginning to the end. I once owned a Garand which had been registered in the city in 1976 by the previous owner. I probably still have his registration papers laying around somewhere. 
 

Cheers,

Tim

[noreaster]

Here’s a bit of history that includes background of Chicago gun registration, and the attempt to have statewide gun registration. 
 

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/24/chicago-gun-laws-strict-history-illinois

 

it does not say why gun registration was discontinued in Chicago