mauserme Posted April 13, 2023 at 11:12 AM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 11:12 AM Has the anti-gun crown pushed so far that one of their centerpieces of "gun safety" is not protected by the Second Amendment? Is this grail gun (for them) so unusual that the gun owners they hope will buy them, can no longer count on them being legal in the future? Have they effectively killed innovation, including the kind on innovation they'd like to force on us? https://nypost.com/2023/04/13/first-ever-smart-gun-with-fingerprint-unlocking-system-hits-the-market/ First-ever ‘smart gun’ with fingerprint unlocking system hits the market By Rich Calder and Natalie O'Neill The world’s first “smart gun” hit the market Thursday, complete with a life-saving fingerprint unlocking system that prevents “unauthorized” people such as kids and criminals from firing it. The cutting-edge 9mm handgun locks out everybody except the owner and users specifically approved by the owner — technology that could improve gun safety in America, according to reps from the gun-making firm Biofire. ... As gun control legislation remains largely stalled in the US, the innovation could help prevent everything from school shootings to accidents and suicides, reps from the company said. “We’re not claiming that the Biofire Smart Gun is going to prevent every instance of firearm misuse. But we do believe this tool can help prevent some firearm suicides, accidents, and injuries from occurring,” Kloepfer said.”If our work saves even one child’s life, it will be worth it.” ... “This Smart Gun was designed specifically for real gun owners who want a quality home-defense firearm that cannot be used by children or criminals,” said Mike Corbett, a BioFire advisor and former member of SEAL Team 6. “In a few years, I believe that the head of every household in America who wants a home-defense firearm is going to choose this Smart Gun.” ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted April 13, 2023 at 01:37 PM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 01:37 PM I can't even get a signal on my phone half the time. Relying on electronics when every second counts? I'd still prefer a car/bike with a carb. Electronics are ruining us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted April 13, 2023 at 01:38 PM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 01:38 PM Only one way to market that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagSlap Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:12 PM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:12 PM On 4/13/2023 at 8:38 AM, jim123 said: Only one way to market that... THREAD WINNER!! Congratulations! Please collect your prize in the lobby. We hope you enjoy your very own rainbow revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:34 PM Share Posted April 13, 2023 at 03:34 PM (edited) "Is this grail gun (for them) so unusual that the gun owners they hope will buy them, can no longer count on them being legal in the future?" This is as designed. Antis believe nobody has a right to self-defense. They believe that when a criminal wants to do criminal acts against you, you are to roll over and pretend nothing happened. Just hand over your stuff - that's just "reparations" or "social justice" Remember, antis are communists who believe nobody has the right of private property. When you get used to thugs and criminals stealing from you, it is that much easier for the government to take everything you own so you can "own nothing and be happy" Edited April 13, 2023 at 03:35 PM by BobPistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 14, 2023 at 05:35 AM Share Posted April 14, 2023 at 05:35 AM It's not actually on the market yet, but it should be in a few months. It's also not intended to be the gun to end all guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hap Posted April 14, 2023 at 10:15 PM Share Posted April 14, 2023 at 10:15 PM The standard comment on this technology seems to be that it might be worth trying after it has been shown to be sufficiently reliable that it is adopted for LE and military use. I’d be interested in it under those circumstances but I am not going to be anybody’s unpaid beta tester for this stuff. Wake me up in five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouFeelLucky Posted April 15, 2023 at 12:45 AM Share Posted April 15, 2023 at 12:45 AM Just like every other electronic or digital security measure, it will be hacked quickly. I'm more interested in laser and directed RFI weapons. Our local maker-bots are doing some incredible work in these areas. They've already proven they can fry EV vehicles at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Observer Posted April 15, 2023 at 04:17 PM Share Posted April 15, 2023 at 04:17 PM I would never buy one. It would not be reliable. My 79-year-old fingertips are fairly smooth. It took several attempts to get readable electronic prints for my CCL. The technician said that this is fairly common for older people. The gun would not be reliable for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:12 AM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:12 AM My wife has trouble with any surface contact technology - her work has leveled her fingertips. She's frustrated on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:51 AM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:51 AM Hmmm...fingerprint scanner and face id camera. 1) how often do you have to charge the battery? 2) how does it work if it's covered in blood...like in a gun fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 16, 2023 at 04:32 AM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 04:32 AM On 4/15/2023 at 10:51 PM, davel501 said: Hmmm...fingerprint scanner and face id camera. 1) how often do you have to charge the battery? 2) how does it work if it's covered in blood...like in a gun fight? I think it would be cool if the reciprocation of the slide charged the battery, like self-winding watches. According to the FW video, once you're ID'd, the gun stays activated for a while. Presumably the gun wouldn't start the fight covered in blood. As Ian says, it's not intended to be the only handgun someone owns. It's intended to be the one you can leave staged around your house (or at your bedside) otherwise unlocked without fear someone will pick it up and discharge it (e.g., kids). It'll also be interesting to see how it stands up to a MAC-style reliability test. I'm not advocating for it. My impression is, however, that to whatever extent it can be done right, the manufacturer is trying to do it right, where previous manufacturers tended to be just anti-gunners trying to make a piece of crap that met the legal conditions so they could say that there was a gun that met the legal conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted April 16, 2023 at 12:43 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 12:43 PM Technology will never nullify "Murphy's law". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbacs Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:10 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 02:10 PM ”If our work saves even one child’s life, it will be worth it.” Where have I heard this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock43 Posted April 16, 2023 at 08:43 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 08:43 PM When will Biden’s secret service detail trust a smart gun? I can’t count how many times I have wanted to use my phone on a moments notice and it “locks” me out. Enter passcode… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:39 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:39 PM On 4/15/2023 at 11:32 PM, Euler said: I think it would be cool if the reciprocation of the slide charged the battery, like self-winding watches. According to the FW video, once you're ID'd, the gun stays activated for a while. Presumably the gun wouldn't start the fight covered in blood. As Ian says, it's not intended to be the only handgun someone owns. It's intended to be the one you can leave staged around your house (or at your bedside) otherwise unlocked without fear someone will pick it up and discharge it (e.g., kids). It'll also be interesting to see how it stands up to a MAC-style reliability test. I'm not advocating for it. My impression is, however, that to whatever extent it can be done right, the manufacturer is trying to do it right, where previous manufacturers tended to be just anti-gunners trying to make a piece of crap that met the legal conditions so they could say that there was a gun that met the legal conditions. Sometimes gun fights start without a formal airing of grievances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:44 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:44 PM On 4/16/2023 at 7:39 PM, davel501 said: Sometimes gun fights start without a formal airing of grievances. If your gun is already awash in blood before you pick it up, you're probably not going to win no matter what gun it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:52 PM Share Posted April 16, 2023 at 11:52 PM On 4/16/2023 at 6:44 PM, Euler said: If your gun is already awash in blood before you pick it up, you're probably not going to win no matter what gun it is. Who says it's your blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallbore Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:27 AM Share Posted April 17, 2023 at 02:27 AM On 4/16/2023 at 6:44 PM, Euler said: If your gun is already awash in blood before you pick it up, you're probably not going to win no matter what gun it is. If I am the dying victim I would like to take my final minute to return the favor with a functioning gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scodag77 Posted June 18, 2023 at 12:35 AM Share Posted June 18, 2023 at 12:35 AM I can't even get my safe to open most of the time with my thumbprint...😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted June 18, 2023 at 12:56 AM Share Posted June 18, 2023 at 12:56 AM "They" have been hawking this crap for years. I remember at a conference in Las Vegas seeing a holster for a regular pistol that would only unlock with the proper finger print(s). I think you could program in 3 or 4 different folks, like your partner, your commander etc. The maker said if the battery went dead, it would unlock on it's own. Was humongous and bulky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packy Posted June 18, 2023 at 01:21 AM Share Posted June 18, 2023 at 01:21 AM When my fingers are sweaty, or dirty from work, the fingerprint sensor on my Samsung S22 Ultra doesn't work. I can't imagine it would be any better on this gun. Or if these old fumble fingers drop the gun in water or mud, I'm dead. You couldn't give me one of these guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted June 18, 2023 at 01:56 AM Share Posted June 18, 2023 at 01:56 AM On 4/16/2023 at 7:10 AM, Bubbacs said: ”If our work saves even one child’s life, it will be worth it.” Where have I heard this before? Planned Parenthood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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