Barnett v. Raoul (3:23-cv-00209) (S.D. Ill. 2023) - NSSF Gun/Mag Ban

[Sweeper13]

On 12/23/2025 at 5:19 PM, EdDinIL said:

Someone with way more time, access, and data collating skills than me could probably come up with a general idea of how long it takes for 7CA to issue a ruling.  My money is on "not until the current SCOTUS term ends".

 

If the state wins, do we have to request an en banc hearing, or can it go straight to SCOTUS?  I assume if we win, the state will request a stay and an en banc hearing as part of the slow-walk playbook.

 

 

I'm not sure if you watched this, he explains different scenarios. Start at 10:40. 

 

 

[EdDinIL]

On 12/24/2025 at 4:19 PM, Sweeper13 said:

I'm not sure if you watched this, he explains different scenarios. Start at 10:40. 

I watched it when it came out, but forgot about it.  Thanks for the refresher.  Answers my question exactly.  State wins, good team goes to SCOTUS.  Good team wins, state goes en banc. 

Nevermind what he said about remand, I was just looking for the eventual way forward. Let's hope remand doesn't happen, though.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

On 12/30/2025 at 12:12 AM, EdDinIL said:

I watched it when it came out, but forgot about it.  Thanks for the refresher.  Answers my question exactly.  State wins, good team goes to SCOTUS.  Good team wins, state goes en banc. 

Nevermind what he said about remand, I was just looking for the eventual way forward. Let's hope remand doesn't happen, though.

 

I've been wondering why Viramontes is sitting at SCOTUS.  I'm wondering if they might hold it, and keep it in their back pocket in case Easterbrook does a remand on Barnett.  

 

[yurimodin]

On 12/30/2025 at 9:21 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I've been wondering why Viramontes is sitting at SCOTUS.  I'm wondering if they might hold it, and keep it in their back pocket in case Easterbrook does a remand on Barnett.  

 

or they could reach down from their ivory tower and just stop the nonsense......

[mikew]

On 12/30/2025 at 9:21 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said:

 

I've been wondering why Viramontes is sitting at SCOTUS.  I'm wondering if they might hold it, and keep it in their back pocket in case Easterbrook does a remand on Barnett.  

 

DC v Heller took 5 years from being filed as Heller v DC in the district court to being handed a favorable ruling from SCOTUS.

McDonald v Chicago took two years, and we got spoiled.

[John Q Public]

And yet, here we are with full on bans for Ar, and standard mags, threaded barrel bans, safe storage laws, OP, and DTSOO, orders when you have no right to defend. How are we better and how long do we wait? I haven't seen the SC make any major moves, the ones they have made are so full of holes, the lower courts are driving rock trucks through them. 

[Upholder]

Brown vs Board of Education took 10 years to truly be recognized.

 

We haven't yet hit the 3rd anniversary of Bruen.

 

[davel501]

On 1/1/2026 at 5:57 PM, Upholder said:

Brown vs Board of Education took 10 years to truly be recognized.

 

We haven't yet hit the 3rd anniversary of Bruen.

 

 

Government wants their taxes on time every year. 

[EdDinIL]

On 1/1/2026 at 5:57 PM, Upholder said:

Brown vs Board of Education took 10 years to truly be recognized.

 

We haven't yet hit the 3rd anniversary of Bruen.

Brown v Board of Education was a 9-0 unanimous decision that was generally accepted by the population and yet it still had to be enforced at gunpoint by the National Guard in some locations. Even if we had a national conversation about guns, 2A rights will never get the same level of acceptance, and good luck getting the IL National Guard to enforce it.

[mikew]

On 1/1/2026 at 10:27 PM, EdDinIL said:

Brown v Board of Education was a 9-0 unanimous decision that was generally accepted by the population and yet it still had to be enforced at gunpoint by the National Guard in some locations. Even if we had a national conversation about guns, 2A rights will never get the same level of acceptance, and good luck getting the IL National Guard to enforce it.

And yet, here we are, the keyboard militia, arguing with each other over non-2A topics.

 

Have you all written/called/visited anyone that represents you?
Gone to a protest?  
Needed space to destroy?

Or will we go silently?

 

 

[EdDinIL]

On 1/2/2026 at 10:02 AM, mikew said:

Or will we go silently?

It's the last act of "not going silently" that scares the crap out of everyone, probably even more so than going silently.  That's why we're pinning our hopes on the third box of liberty, not the fourth one.

[John Q Public]

On 1/1/2026 at 5:57 PM, Upholder said:

Brown vs Board of Education took 10 years to truly be recognized.

 

We haven't yet hit the 3rd anniversary of Bruen.

 

And we have more laws in violation than we did before it was passed.

Edited January 2, 2026 at 09:11 PM by John Q Public