Barnett v. Raoul (3:23-cv-00209) (S.D. Ill. 2023) - NSSF Gun/Mag Ban

[Upholder]

 

[gunuser17]

Delaware US District Court decision that everyone should read and understand as avoiding Bruen - I wouldn't be surprised if this is the tact taken by every true blue state district court with a liberal leaning judge.  https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6644/attachments/original/1679952127/DSSA_v_DSHS_58_Opinion.pdf?1679952127

Edited March 28, 2023 at 12:07 AM by gunuser17

[Flynn]

On 3/27/2023 at 7:07 PM, gunuser17 said:

Delaware US District Court decision that everyone should read and understand as avoiding Bruen - I wouldn't be surprised if this is the tact taken by every true blue state district court with a liberal leaning judge.  https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6644/attachments/original/1679952127/DSSA_v_DSHS_58_Opinion.pdf?1679952127

 

No doubt the liberal leaning courts will continue to ignore Heller/Bruen, their contempt for Heller is primarily what brought us Bruen, and they still refuse to accept Heller and now Bruen.  All we can do is take it up the ladder and have the superior courts continue to slap the inferior courts around and tell them they are wrong until they 'get it'

[Evil Porkchop]

These liberal judges just don't get it.

[Upholder]

On 3/27/2023 at 8:02 PM, Evil Porkchop said:

These liberal judges just don't get it.

 

They get it.  They're actively trying to get around it.

[springfield shooter]

On 3/27/2023 at 8:11 PM, Upholder said:

 

They get it.  They're actively trying to get around it.

 

So much for fidelity to their oaths.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

It looks to me like they have decided on what they feel will be their best legal theory going forward. The second amendment only protects muskets. And they have deliberately misinterpreted Bruen to back up their argument. 

 

They can't provide any historic analogs so they have made no analogs as an analog in itself.  Since the guns weren't in common use in 1791 they are not protected by Bruen or Heller today, so they can interest balance.  It is a complete deliberate bastardization of both decisions. 

That is how the left leaning judges and courts will rule from here on out. They are refusing to bend the knee. 

 

 

[hetzen]

On 3/27/2023 at 7:35 PM, Flynn said:

 

No doubt the liberal leaning courts will continue to ignore Heller/Bruen, their contempt for Heller is primarily what brought us Bruen, and they still refuse to accept Heller and now Bruen.  All we can do is take it up the ladder and have the superior courts continue to slap the inferior courts around and tell them they are wrong until they 'get it'

 

I don't know about you guys, but they better do it quick. Thomas and Alito are old, and I'm not sure GOP is better than 50/50 at this point to win in 2024.

[Flynn]

On 3/27/2023 at 9:32 PM, hetzen said:

 

I don't know about you guys, but they better do it quick. Thomas and Alito are old, and I'm not sure GOP is better than 50/50 at this point to win in 2024.

 

We can only move as fast as the courts move.  The good thing is that as a general rule the Supreme Court is very reluctant to overturn it's own precedent, especially wihting a short period of time, and when it comes to enumerated rights, the Supreme Court has generally expanded those rights when it does overturn itself.

 

As an already clearly divided nation with a division growing, I honeslty fear a Supreme Court overturning Heller/Bruen.

[Tvandermyde]

mt latest video and no I didn't forget about mini-shells

 

 

[hetzen]

On 3/27/2023 at 10:01 PM, Flynn said:

 

We can only move as fast as the courts move.  The good thing is that as a general rule the Supreme Court is very reluctant to overturn it's own precedent, especially wihting a short period of time, and when it comes to enumerated rights, the Supreme Court has generally expanded those rights when it does overturn itself.

 

As an already clearly divided nation with a division growing, I honeslty fear a Supreme Court overturning Heller/Bruen.

 

If lower courts see that SCOTUS isn't a conservative majority, they can just ignore Bruen. 

 

I really wish some of these things would speed up.

[John Q Public]

Okay, I think a point has been missed, forget the foreskin/stock, the 10/22 can/does accept a magazine... therefore, we need not go to the stock/shrouds, but they would be banned as, "detachable magazine." If I had a non detach, cool, but most now have a mag, rotating, or otherwise. 

 

JQ

[Matt B]

On 3/28/2023 at 3:55 PM, hetzen said:

 

If lower courts see that SCOTUS isn't a conservative majority, they can just ignore Bruen. 

 

I really wish some of these things would speed up.

Yeah what’s frustrating is that scotus had the chance to take Bianchi right after Bruen and settle the gun ban issue but chose instead to GVR and punt it so the lower courts could come up with new games to subvert the Bruen test. Thomas and Alito must be more confident about their personal health and wellness than I am to let these core issues bounce back for a few years in the same courts that flagrantly ignored Heller.

[JTHunter]

Todd,

Your two videos in this thread were such that I put links to them in a couple of other forums I frequent.  I hope you don't mind but you were so explicit and pithy in your comments, I got a laugh out of it watching you poke holes in the politicians and wanted to let others that might not come to Illinois Carry know what is happening.

[Tvandermyde]

On 3/30/2023 at 9:53 PM, JTHunter said:

Todd,

Your two videos in this thread were such that I put links to them in a couple of other forums I frequent.  I hope you don't mind but you were so explicit and pithy in your comments, I got a laugh out of it watching you poke holes in the politicians and wanted to let others that might not come to Illinois Carry know what is happening.

not a probem, more coming today and this week in between spending time on a bulldozer

[JTHunter]

On 4/2/2023 at 1:42 PM, Tvandermyde said:

not a probem, more coming today and this week in between spending time on a bulldozer

 

Thanks.  I tried to PM you about this but it wouldn't go through.

[Molly B.]

 

[Tvandermyde]

as talked about --- mini shells

 

 

[Tvandermyde]

 

[davel501]

On 4/6/2023 at 10:58 PM, Tvandermyde said:

 

I'm starting to really not like these videos lol 

[Flynn]

On 4/7/2023 at 12:28 AM, davel501 said:

I'm starting to really not like these videos lol 

 

Dislike the un-American and un-Constitutional legislators and governor more 🤣

[Plinkermostly]

remember: don't blame the messenger.

[gtr2009]

On 4/7/2023 at 12:28 AM, davel501 said:

I'm starting to really not like these videos lol 

I know what you mean, but these videos are great.  As I mentioned in another thread I was waiting for the most egregious parts of these laws to become more public.  There are a lot of FUD shotgun owners, and that's all they own, who can live their life ignoring the 2nd amendment fight because the laws never or rarely affect them.  IMO, a short sighted stance to take because we all know they will never stop, the shotgun owners were just last in line but in the line, nevertheless.  Well, it's the end of the line now!  The more ridiculous this law is and the more people it affects, the better off we are.  More grass roots support, more funding for lawsuits, and more likely to win in court.

[RECarry]

After successfully sending some prior videos to friends, Hotmail rejected my latest send to about 16 people on Thursday.

 

Censorship? Basic spam filter stuff? 

[mikew]

On 4/8/2023 at 7:47 AM, RECarry said:

After successfully sending some prior videos to friends, Hotmail rejected my latest send to about 16 people on Thursday.

 

Censorship? Basic spam filter stuff? 

Ask hotmail?
perhaps review your technique first.

Service providers that provide your email for "free" can set whatever terms they want.

Recipients or their "free" providers can cry abuse whenever they want.

 

Did you send an attached video?  Or a link to a video? 

Some videos can be quite large

Did you send to a blind list of recipients, or are you sending the addresses in the clear?

People tend to not like seeing themselves name in a big list of other names and addresses.

 

How often are you sending such a message?

Do you think that everyone on your list wants to be there?

You must honor a request to be removed from the mailings.

 

 

 

 

[Flynn]

On 4/8/2023 at 7:47 AM, RECarry said:

After successfully sending some prior videos to friends, Hotmail rejected my latest send to about 16 people on Thursday.

 

Censorship? Basic spam filter stuff? 

 

I'm guessing the number of people (same email) and it being a video (likely no actual email body content) might have triggered the spam setting, especially if this varies from your normal use.

 

 

 

 

[RECarry]

Update:  It's a blind list of recipients to friends who do like the notifications and witness slip alerts.  

 

It was a video link, not an attachment.

 

An IT friend discovered that Hotmail identified a problem with their outgoing spam filter on Thursday April 6th that disrupted an untold number of outgoing emails. This morning my Junk folder started populating with tardy "undeliverable" messages from April 6th, but most of the ones our family sent that evening were delivered as well.

The odd part is that our Sent folders showed all those messages as Sent, not bounce-backs when the problem was occurring.

 

 

[ILgunguy]

I've noticed that there has been no clarification like JB put out when we all had to wear masks during the Covid declaration to keep the ISP and DA's from charging otherwise lawful carriers.  This tells you a lot.  

 

So....just quit carrying any semi-auto until/if this stupid law gets an injunction? 

Edited April 9, 2023 at 08:32 PM by ILgunguy

[BobPistol]

On 4/8/2023 at 4:35 PM, RECarry said:

Update:  It's a blind list of recipients to friends 

BCC'ing is guaranteed to hit the spam traps.

 

That's a common spammer tactic.

Send the emails one at a time.   

Or add all your friends to a common listserv  and send the email to the listserv.

[JTHunter]

I have posted Todd's videos in three other forums I frequent.  It has definitely raised the ire of some in those forums, both for the stupidity of the ILGA and the vague broadness of the language in the law.