IH8IL Posted May 13, 2023 at 03:21 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 03:21 PM On 5/13/2023 at 7:45 AM, Tvandermyde said: registration doesn't even begin till 10/1. And if you're not planning on registering anything, it doesn't matter I wouldn’t count on that. Look at how many people are tripping over others getting their “free stamps” over the pistol brace rule. And thats them even having to declare that the firearm was always an sbr right from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted May 13, 2023 at 03:57 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 03:57 PM On 5/13/2023 at 8:21 AM, IH8IL said: I wouldn’t count on that. Look at how many people are tripping over others getting their “free stamps” over the pistol brace rule. And thats them even having to declare that the firearm was always an sbr right from the beginning. I understand people worried about that kinda of stuff, but again it only is problematic if you plan on registering stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:39 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:39 PM On 5/13/2023 at 10:57 AM, Tvandermyde said: I understand people worried about that kinda of stuff, but again it only is problematic if you plan on registering stuff I predict the registration process is going to be a cluster bleep from the start. The idiots who wrote the bill and designing the system most likely have no idea the quantity some folks will need to register. They probably don't even have a clue that one AR15 lower can be paired with an infinite number of uppers making a different rifle. And if parts and components will need to be registered.. most have no serial number. I bet that hamster powered system running the FOID site will crash every time someone with a mega-collection hits the submit button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:43 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:43 PM It would be prudent to remember that there are folks on here that will turn you in for a doughnut so do what you gotta do then SHUT UP ABOUT IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:51 PM Author Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 09:51 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin525 Posted May 13, 2023 at 10:13 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 10:13 PM Everybody calls it a registration, but the bill calls it a endorsement. I think the word endorsement is worse. An endorsement could be denied or revoked at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted May 13, 2023 at 10:43 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 10:43 PM On 5/13/2023 at 6:13 PM, kevin525 said: Everybody calls it a registration, but the bill calls it a endorsement. I think the word endorsement is worse. An endorsement could be denied or revoked at a later date. It's newspeak. If it's not called registration, then it's not registration. (Except it is registration.) Also, yes, "endorsement" can be revoked, which also makes it a license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted May 13, 2023 at 11:48 PM Share Posted May 13, 2023 at 11:48 PM On 5/13/2023 at 5:43 PM, Euler said: It's newspeak. If it's not called registration, then it's not registration. (Except it is registration.) Also, yes, "endorsement" can be revoked, which also makes it a license. That is how they will ban all registered guns with the stroke of a governor's executive order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:42 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:42 AM On 5/13/2023 at 4:51 PM, Upholder said: I’ll put my money with the 4 boxes diner. The State wont’t appeal their loss to the SCOTUS to keep it from becoming nation wide. Unless, fatty pushes it to try and get a win and they end up loosing. I think.Mr. V or someone else mentioned this earlier on in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:54 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:54 AM On 5/13/2023 at 7:42 PM, mab22 said: The State wont’t appeal their loss to the SCOTUS to keep it from becoming nation wide. I don't think that JB and Kwame will be able to stop themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 14, 2023 at 01:11 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 01:11 AM On 5/13/2023 at 7:45 AM, Tvandermyde said: registration doesn't even begin till 10/1. And if you're not planning on registering anything, it doesn't matter That is only 4 and a half months away. You know how courts -- especially appellate courts -- move as far as time is concerned. Snails are hares by comparison. They are banking on delaying this until registration begins. The state's usual tactic is last minute motions for extensions on briefs and arguments, and I highly doubt that's gonna change here. And anyone with a semi auto rifle who doesn't comply with their illegal registration scheme will be prosecuted on felony charges if caught. The fact that you're in the right and they're persecuting you illegally won't matter much when you're locked up with a bunch of animals, dreading having to shower, your life and family in ruins. Unless the federal government acts to restrain them (which they've shown little to no interest in doing), this communist police state has absolute control over you, constitution be damned. I must have been psychic to have sold the few ARs I had before this ridiculous ban came about. I feel for those who have them and are torn over what to do. You register, they'll eventually confiscate them. You don't, they'll eventually prosecute you. The only way to stop this crap is to get the freaking Demonrats out of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted May 14, 2023 at 01:44 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 01:44 AM On 5/13/2023 at 7:42 PM, mab22 said: I’ll put my money with the 4 boxes diner. The State wont’t appeal their loss to the SCOTUS to keep it from becoming nation wide. Unless, fatty pushes it to try and get a win and they end up loosing. I think.Mr. V or someone else mentioned this earlier on in the thread. Ok it’s not welcome news to hear from Mark that the three judge panel that maintained the stay might very well be the panel to hear the merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:17 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:17 AM On 5/13/2023 at 8:11 PM, 2A4Cook said: That is only 4 and a half months away. You know how courts -- especially appellate courts -- move as far as time is concerned. Snails are hares by comparison. They are banking on delaying this until registration begins. The state's usual tactic is last minute motions for extensions on briefs and arguments, and I highly doubt that's gonna change here. And anyone with a semi auto rifle who doesn't comply with their illegal registration scheme will be prosecuted on felony charges if caught. The fact that you're in the right and they're persecuting you illegally won't matter much when you're locked up with a bunch of animals, dreading having to shower, your life and family in ruins. Unless the federal government acts to restrain them (which they've shown little to no interest in doing), this communist police state has absolute control over you, constitution be damned. I must have been psychic to have sold the few ARs I had before this ridiculous ban came about. I feel for those who have them and are torn over what to do. You register, they'll eventually confiscate them. You don't, they'll eventually prosecute you. The only way to stop this crap is to get the freaking Demonrats out of power. they can send bachelors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:48 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:48 AM On 5/13/2023 at 8:44 PM, Matt B said: Ok it’s not welcome news to hear from Mark that the three judge panel that maintained the stay might very well be the panel to hear the merits. The best possible outcome is losing at the 7th and having to appeal to scotus. Then it's national precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:53 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 02:53 AM On 5/13/2023 at 9:17 PM, yurimodin said: they can send bachelors Glad you think this is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2A4Cook Posted May 14, 2023 at 03:24 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 03:24 AM On 5/13/2023 at 4:51 PM, Upholder said: Uhm ... DUUUUHHH!!! And we lose, because Easterschnook is an egomaniac. And we will go without our rights for at least another year or two, and Fatboy will get his illegal registry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted May 14, 2023 at 04:13 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 04:13 AM On 5/13/2023 at 2:51 PM, Upholder said: Almost like someone else said that On 5/13/2023 at 5:42 PM, mab22 said: I’ll put my money with the 4 boxes diner. The State wont’t appeal their loss to the SCOTUS to keep it from becoming nation wide. Unless, fatty pushes it to try and get a win and they end up loosing. I think.Mr. V or someone else mentioned this earlier on in the thread. I think they will. JB is to vain and wants to run against the Court to appease his left wing base. When they didn't appeal Shepard/Moore we were the last state on carry, so Madigan was talked out of appealing and n 2013 we didn't have all the bad case law we do now as Freidman was 2015 Lots more on this later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted May 14, 2023 at 04:51 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 04:51 AM On 5/13/2023 at 5:13 PM, kevin525 said: Everybody calls it a registration, but the bill calls it a endorsement. I think the word endorsement is worse. An endorsement could be denied or revoked at a later date. That's because those that wrote the bill, JB the Blob, and the ISP think we're a bunch of idiots too stupid to realize it's actually registration which will eventually be used to confiscate everyones guns. Think about it !!! They can't even call it what it is ( registration ) they have to come up with this "endorsement " horse s**t to get suckers to REGISTER their guns. Do you think this lying con artist scum has zero intentions of confiscating your stuff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G214me Posted May 14, 2023 at 05:13 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 05:13 AM On 5/13/2023 at 8:11 PM, 2A4Cook said: That is only 4 and a half months away. You know how courts -- especially appellate courts -- move as far as time is concerned. Snails are hares by comparison. They are banking on delaying this until registration begins. The state's usual tactic is last minute motions for extensions on briefs and arguments, and I highly doubt that's gonna change here. And anyone with a semi auto rifle who doesn't comply with their illegal registration scheme will be prosecuted on felony charges if caught. The fact that you're in the right and they're persecuting you illegally won't matter much when you're locked up with a bunch of animals, dreading having to shower, your life and family in ruins. Unless the federal government acts to restrain them (which they've shown little to no interest in doing), this communist police state has absolute control over you, constitution be damned. I must have been psychic to have sold the few ARs I had before this ridiculous ban came about. I feel for those who have them and are torn over what to do. You register, they'll eventually confiscate them. You don't, they'll eventually prosecute you. The only way to stop this crap is to get the freaking Demonrats out of power. Don't forget to thank all those that made all this misery possible.... The America hating liberal Democrat scum as well as the lazy gun owners who couldn't be bothered to get off their fat a** and go vote or were stupid enough to vote against their own rights ( FUDDS included ) are why we have such a wonderful political tyranny in this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yurimodin Posted May 14, 2023 at 11:51 AM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 11:51 AM On 5/13/2023 at 9:53 PM, 2A4Cook said: Glad you think this is funny. I wasn't joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:09 PM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 12:09 PM On 5/13/2023 at 11:13 PM, Tvandermyde said: Almost like someone else said that I think they will. JB is to vain and wants to run against the Court to appease his left wing base. When they didn't appeal Shepard/Moore we were the last state on carry, so Madigan was talked out of appealing and n 2013 we didn't have all the bad case law we do now as Freidman was 2015 Lots more on this later Yeah agreed. The state won’t let this one go. But I think it’s a moot discussion anyway. If the 7th circuit rules allow for the emergency motions panel to also hear the case on the merits, then there is no chance Easterbrook is passing that up. He will absolutely take the chance to thumb his nose at the court one more time. Our side will be the ones appealing to Scotus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted May 14, 2023 at 03:29 PM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 03:29 PM On 5/13/2023 at 11:13 PM, Tvandermyde said: When they didn't appeal Shepard/Moore we were the last state on carry And the state was trying to defend preexisting bad law. Here the state is defending a new law that the ILGA flew thru and JB signed, all the while the Dems were saying the new law is constitutional. They don't have much choice now but take it all the way to SCOTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted May 14, 2023 at 08:28 PM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 08:28 PM On 5/14/2023 at 10:29 AM, mikew said: And the state was trying to defend preexisting bad law. Here the state is defending a new law that the ILGA flew thru and JB signed, all the while the Dems were saying the new law is constitutional. They don't have much choice now but take it all the way to SCOTUS. That is my greatest concern - that they will tie this up in the courts for years and give themselves time to "engineer" replacement "laws". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted May 14, 2023 at 08:41 PM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 08:41 PM On 5/14/2023 at 3:28 PM, JTHunter said: That is my greatest concern - that they will tie this up in the courts for years and give themselves time to "engineer" replacement "laws". The upside of the current law is they threw everything at it. They have set up one huge battle rather than trickling it out over time. I worry more there is something we are missing, like some kind of scotus trickery. In the long run, precedent is only an aspiration - nothing is permanent. We saw that with Roe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted May 14, 2023 at 09:26 PM Share Posted May 14, 2023 at 09:26 PM On 5/14/2023 at 3:28 PM, JTHunter said: That is my greatest concern - that they will tie this up in the courts for years and give themselves time to "engineer" replacement "laws". And all the time screwing us out of our rights and laughing about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted May 15, 2023 at 02:48 PM Share Posted May 15, 2023 at 02:48 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingcreek Posted May 15, 2023 at 03:38 PM Share Posted May 15, 2023 at 03:38 PM On 5/14/2023 at 4:26 PM, ragsbo said: And all the time screwing us out of our rights and laughing about it And costing us money… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted May 15, 2023 at 06:11 PM Share Posted May 15, 2023 at 06:11 PM On 5/15/2023 at 9:48 AM, Tvandermyde said: In my not a lawyer opinion I think SCOTUS is playing Texas hold'em and waiting for the river to drop before making a move. If the SCOTUS was just going to say NO, then they would have done it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt B Posted May 15, 2023 at 07:32 PM Share Posted May 15, 2023 at 07:32 PM They could be delaying release of a denial to give time for some of the justices to write a scolding letter to the lower courts as was done in the Second Circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdDinIL Posted May 15, 2023 at 10:02 PM Share Posted May 15, 2023 at 10:02 PM On 5/15/2023 at 2:32 PM, Matt B said: They could be delaying release of a denial to give time for some of the justices to write a scolding letter to the lower courts as was done in the Second Circuit. I'm reminded of a joke about how most London police officers are unarmed. They see a crime in progress and yell, "Stop, or we'll say stop again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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