DeVore case 2 open for 24 hours (Filed in White County)

[steveTA84]

He’s making money, individuals are spending $200 (nothing really in the world of lawsuits, especially one like this) to potentially get a restraining order against the state. It’s a win/win in my book. And if it becomes moot after some other lawsuits, oh well. Still get to say you sued the state and got a restraining order against them (if we’re as lucky as the first batch).  This one has s few state reps in it too 

[mousegun6]

On 1/23/2023 at 7:58 PM, JDW said:

I'm assuming nothing. This is not a second amendment deal, it's a procedural case. My money is going for second amendment cases. The Monarchs, Kinds and Queens who voted on this cr88 will just figure out another way to skip around procedure if this TRO stands. You kids need to read before reacting so emotionally, seriosuly. I'm going to have my coffee and brush up on my growing up for dummies book. LOL

Join the case, don't join the case, that's your business. But please don't say this about procedure and not about the 2nd Amendment. You are telling people to read and that's a good thing but if you read the judge's response in the first DeVore case you would know that it is 11 pages of kicking JB's a** and most of it is about 2nd Amendment issues. Good luck in TN and we are happy that you were able to retire at age 50, most people are not so fortunate. But calling the other forum members emotional kids is bad form and bad manners. None of us are lawyers and we are all speculating about what most of this will mean down the road. Let's try to be civil to one another on the journey. We're all in this together.

[DaveIL]

On 1/23/2023 at 8:06 PM, JDW said:

 You called him a grifter, not me. LOL I never felt helpless after JB signed the bill. I felt frustrated that my Senator didn't even really consider my input. Even if all this sticks, I'll never feel helpless. If we don't have a solid resolution in our favor by the end of July, I've already got a new town in Tn picked out. Spoke to my new realtor today and was very straight up about why we might be moving there. I 'm born and raised here, never ever wanted to have to leave. I like living here and always have. This time though, the Springfield Elite will have forced my hand. I retired at the age of 50 and the last thing I want to do is leave. I'm in for the fight as it pertains to the second amendment. This procedural stuff was a slam dunk for DeVore, and easy way to make a nice chunk o cash. Good for him. You called him a grifter bro, not me. 

I was referring to what the Hutt, deemed him. I am trying to reach 50.. my wife was a plaintiff. As soon as she saw him and the word “assault” I heard “I’m joining that.

 

Please read entire posts, I only post to share and encourage other people.. I am jealous you get to go to live in a free state soon, and that you have the option. Why you’re moving isn’t just firearms, it’s all of the Illinois liberal progressive garbage.. 

 

Devore is an underdog, and “You called him a grifter bro, not me.” Should be directed to our duly “elected” Governor.. 

[Book'm]

Put it this way, it was $200 for a chance to keep an ISP Trooper from hemming me up in a couple months for my carry gun's mag capacity or that my carry gun has a thread protector next year. While trying to find a few quality 15 rounders for it, I realized I was about halfway to what Devore was charging.

 

Maybe the other suits have a better chance of succeeding on 2nd amendment issues, in time. But while that is going on, the legislature will continue filing bills like ammo purchase and firearm insurance taskforces. It sure would be nice to yank the reigns before we are all fighting on quicksand or good people leave the state (and the fight).

[mab22]

On 1/23/2023 at 7:58 PM, JDW said:

I'm assuming nothing. This is not a second amendment deal, it's a procedural case. My money is going for second amendment cases. The Monarchs, Kinds and Queens who voted on this cr88 will just figure out another way to skip around procedure if this TRO stands. You kids need to read before reacting so emotionally, seriosuly. I'm going to have my coffee and brush up on my growing up for dummies book. LOL

No your clearly “assuming”, and your assuming again in this post “You kids need to read before reacting so emotionally”, I did read up on this, I actually asked about a portion of the Illinois constitution to see if that is what it was related too. I’m not gonna go find the post for you, I’ve got better things to do. 
I will make the effort early on to add you to the mute list. 🤐
 

[JDW]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:43 PM, mab22 said:

No your clearly “assuming”, and your assuming again in this post “You kids need to read before reacting so emotionally”, I did read up on this, I actually asked about a portion of the Illinois constitution to see if that is what it was related too. I’m not gonna go find the post for you, I’ve got better things to do. 
I will make the effort early on to add you to the mute list. 🤐
 

I'll do the same, MUTED. Thank you

[Flynn]

On 1/23/2023 at 7:58 PM, JDW said:

I'm assuming nothing. This is not a second amendment deal, it's a procedural case. My money is going for second amendment cases. The Monarchs, Kinds and Queens who voted on this cr88 will just figure out another way to skip around procedure if this TRO stands. You kids need to read before reacting so emotionally, seriosuly. I'm going to have my coffee and brush up on my growing up for dummies book. LOL

 

If you read it you would know that it's actually a bit more than a "procedural case" two of the claims are procedural, one is a state civil rights violation of equal protection.

 

Could the elite pass another law trying to avoid the procedural and Constitutional challenges made in this case, absolutely, just like they could pass another law trying to avoid any 2nd claims in the other cases, or even passing a new law that continues to infringe on the 2nd right after this one is ruled unconstitutional as they have done in the past.  That is IMO a weak argument to entirely dismiss a lawsuit that is taking a different approach.

 

I personally wish the courts would uphold more 1983 lawsuits especially in regards to 2nd denial of rights, thus holding these people accountable, but we are not there so all we have left is to sue from every other angle.

[JDW]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:42 PM, Book'm said:

Put it this way, it was $200 for a chance to keep an ISP Trooper from hemming me up in a couple months for my carry gun's mag capacity or that my carry gun has a thread protector next year. While trying to find a few quality 15 rounders for it, I realized I was about halfway to what Devore was charging.

 

Maybe the other suits have a better chance of succeeding on 2nd amendment issues, in time. But while that is going on, the legislature will continue filing bills like ammo purchase and firearm insurance taskforces. It sure would be nice to yank the reigns before we are all fighting on quicksand or good people leave the state (and the fight).

My point is pretty simple, even if you have to read between the lines. DeVore took, between the 2 suits, let's call it 500K out of the actual fight which is in fact the Second Amendment fight. I don't fault the man, he's a very crafty attorney, to say the least. Make no mistake, his suits have everything to do with procedure on gutting bills to be able to add new language and pass them in the dead of night. So, for that reason, should he prevail, that's a huge step in the right direction. This fight when it comes right down to it, is about our Second Amendment rights, we all know that. If Devore prevails, the Dems in Springfield, may or may not pay attention to that. As it is right now, they completely disregard the rights of law abiding citizens and rulings from the highest court in the land. I don't get the feeling that a ruling from a state court will have much effect on how they operate in Springfield going forward, which is just one reason why I didn't become a plantiff. I'd rather spend my money on the Second Amendment suits. BTW, Todd's latest video went LIVE about 15 minutes ago. Good updates in there. 

[JDW]

On 1/23/2023 at 11:17 PM, Flynn said:

 

If you read it you would know that it's actually a bit more than a "procedural case" two of the claims are procedural, one is a state civil rights violation of equal protection.

 

Could the elite pass another law trying to avoid the procedural and Constitutional challenges made in this case, absolutely, just like they could pass another law trying to avoid any 2nd claims in the other cases, or even passing a new law that continues to infringe on the 2nd right after this one is ruled unconstitutional as they have done in the past.  That is IMO a weak argument to entirely dismiss a lawsuit that is taking a different approach.

 

I personally wish the courts would uphold more 1983 lawsuits especially in regards to 2nd denial of rights, thus holding these people accountable, but we are not there so all we have left is to sue from every other angle.

You see, Flynn, you make nice, solid, adult like points without name calling. I agree with most of what you point out. I commented on it in apost I made here in this thread just prior to reading yours. Nothing these Elites in Springfield do surprises me any longer. They're bigger than SCOTUS, bigger than their constituents, and apparently above the law. (in their minds) I'd love to see them get censured or perhaps fined and tossed from office, but that's not happening anytime soon. With money tight, I chose to reserve my donations to go directly into the Second Amendment suits directly as opposed to this procedural stuff. That's just my choice. I don't think I'm alone when I say I think that 500K or whatever Mr. DeVore took in would have been nice to have as funds for the actual 2A suits, but that's just my opinion. It's just that, an opinion, no more relevant than anyone else's. 

[JDW]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:42 PM, Book'm said:

Put it this way, it was $200 for a chance to keep an ISP Trooper from hemming me up in a couple months for my carry gun's mag capacity or that my carry gun has a thread protector next year. While trying to find a few quality 15 rounders for it, I realized I was about halfway to what Devore was charging.

 

Maybe the other suits have a better chance of succeeding on 2nd amendment issues, in time. But while that is going on, the legislature will continue filing bills like ammo purchase and firearm insurance taskforces. It sure would be nice to yank the reigns before we are all fighting on quicksand or good people leave the state (and the fight).

I see and understand your reasons, completely. If the TRO gets overturned, then all those protections you bought with this grant of a TRO go away. Kwame (according to Todd's latest video) has already filed to have the TRO overturned. I also agree that this is just the start. I think it's written in stone that the AWB was just the first of much more to come from the Elite leaders in Springfield. We all have X amount of $$ we can commit to this cause. I'm choosing to direct mine to the actual Second Amendment protection litigation as opposed to the procedural fight. My back up plan is if all else fails is to move out of a state I've lived in my entire life. I actually like living here, I always have. Having to leave in order to maintain my God given basic rights is the very last thing I ever wanted to do. Being my age and having to leave your home stinks. I just won't live where those in power take the side of criminals over law abiding citizens under 100% false pretenses. I can't and I won't. BTW, in the case of Mr. DeVore, he's entitled to charge whatever he wants. I would never begrudge another person from making as much money as they can in their profession. That's America at her very best, and I'm a huge fan. It's clear he's a very good attorney, so for those who chose to become Plantiff's, I seriously hope he prevails in any and every challenge. That'd be a great thing, end of story. 

[mab22]

New posts and yet I see nothing.

Someone is all.

 

[Flynn]

On 1/23/2023 at 11:29 PM, JDW said:

I don't think I'm alone when I say I think that 500K or whatever Mr. DeVore took in would have been nice to have as funds for the actual 2A suits, but that's just my opinion. It's just that, an opinion, no more relevant than anyone else's. 

 

Of course everyone would like that money, but the people who donated it literally earmarked it for this case alone.  I wish I was able to donate to other organizations and earmark the money to be used for specific cases and was allowed to be a member of whatever lawsuit I contributed to.  In fact I would suggest some 2nd organizations consider looking into doing something similar, as it's clearly a way to get a lawsuit financed and off the ground within days!  That said I would be perfectly happy and say "money well spent" if they prevail and ''cut outs" are found to be unconstititonal under the equal protection clause in regards to 2nd infringments and a bonus if the entire shell bill game is put into question, those are both things I have lobbied for in the past and still support being challenged.

[JDW]

@Flynn I too wish I had the resources to donate to every Pro 2A legal fight I wanted to. I don't, so I have to go with what I feel is best in the long term for me. If I had an ounce of faith that the Elites in Springfield would abide by anything positive that comes by way of Mr. DeVore's suits, of course I would have paid the price to be a plaintiff. When we have the president of the senate saying we know this won't solve the problem and then minutes later closing with see you in court with his smarmy attitude, it does not instill faith. The elites in Springfield have shown more than ever with the signing of the AWB that they have zero regard for anything but themselves and their pet projects. 

My dollars will go IC, ASC's special fund, and perhaps one of the national orgs, no not the NRA. I've already donated to all of the above including a recent donation to the ASC special fund for lawsuits and education. I'll be donating more to IC very soon as I have complete faith in the leadership team on this forum and have since the day I joined it. To be clear, at my age, I don't want to have to leave Illinois. I lived in Naperville from when it was very conservative until it became super progressive. I always get along with everyone and avoid any sort of conflict by just leaving the political discussions to those who have time to waste. Where I live now is quite diverse, and somewhat progressive. I've never lived anywhere in this state that I enjoy more than where i am right now. We get along well here and it's rare for anyone to start up a discussion on hot button topics. It's such a pleasure to be around people who just live and let live. 

 

On a side note: rather than go t for t with those who took exception to my comments on Mr. DeVore's lawsuits, I just muted all of them. I've been here for a number of years, and gotten along fine with everyone. I know people are touchy and moody because of what was just passed into law. I opined on the DeVore action and got responses from people I've never even seen here before.  I want to be part of the solution and part of a good legal battle with the elites. (via the funds I have available for said battle) I don't want to opine on something and have words put in my mouth that I never typed or said. That's just not how I roll. I know muting someone is very high school like, but it is what it is. I hope all of you Plaintiffs do very well and that Mr. DeVore's suits have teeth and staying power, sincerely.

 

SteveTA you're one of the very best contributors on this forum, I'd never mute you. To the other people that had comments, it's over with. You had your say, I read them all. We're done! Let's keep the focus on the battle going forward. I'm sorry if my opinion upset you. That was never my intent, and it never will be as long as I post to a forum I value so much. 

[Book'm]

On 1/23/2023 at 11:22 PM, JDW said:

Todd's latest video went LIVE about 15 minutes ago. Good updates in there.

👍

Shout out to Todd and thanks for all that he's been working on

Edited January 24, 2023 at 08:08 AM by Book'm

[sirflyguy]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:06 PM, DaveIL said:

I was referring to what the Hutt, deemed him. I am trying to reach 50.. my wife was a plaintiff. As soon as she saw him and the word “assault” I heard “I’m joining that.

 

Please read entire posts, I only post to share and encourage other people.. I am jealous you get to go to live in a free state soon, and that you have the option. Why you’re moving isn’t just firearms, it’s all of the Illinois liberal progressive garbage.. 

 

Devore is an underdog, and “You called him a grifter bro, not me.” Should be directed to our duly “elected” Governor.. 

Devore actually has a shirt that says "Grifter" on it. He has worn it in some of his videos. I think he thinks it is funny. 

Edited January 24, 2023 at 01:14 PM by sirflyguy

[yurimodin]

Its Sun Tzu.....attack them on multiple fronts, never let the enemy pick the time or place of battle. I say the more the better JMHO.

[steveTA84]

Judge in case 2 definitely wasn’t putting up with the state’s BS.  good read here on the hearing 

https://madisonrecord.com/stories/639106319-white-county-judge-raises-concerns-about-gun-ban-legislative-procedure-during-hearing-on-tro-request-calls-it-egregious

[357]

Some people are more equal than others and can have real military weapons not just rifles and private shooting ranges. You can have one but you can't. Do as I say not as I do. Typical Illinois corruption and pay to play politics. Rammed through for personal gain, rules and the Constitution doesn't matter to them now that they have the votes.

[JDW]

On 1/29/2023 at 2:06 PM, steveTA84 said:

Judge in case 2 definitely wasn’t putting up with the state’s BS.  good read here on the hearing 

https://madisonrecord.com/stories/639106319-white-county-judge-raises-concerns-about-gun-ban-legislative-procedure-during-hearing-on-tro-request-calls-it-egregious

 

 

Thanks Steve

[mab22]

On 1/29/2023 at 2:06 PM, steveTA84 said:

Judge in case 2 definitely wasn’t putting up with the state’s BS.  good read here on the hearing 

https://madisonrecord.com/stories/639106319-white-county-judge-raises-concerns-about-gun-ban-legislative-procedure-during-hearing-on-tro-request-calls-it-egregious

After reading that a couple times, 2 attorneys 1 house, 1 senate, I wonder if we can get a couple scalps?
 

[RANDY]

I like how the AG tried to tell the judge he didn't have the authority to rule in constitutional matters.   Only the IL Supreme court has that authority.  At the same time the AG has appealed to the appeals court in the other case.   If it is a matter for the Supreme court then why didn't he appeal directly to that court.  More attempted delays.

Edited January 30, 2023 at 01:44 PM by RANDY

[jkdkaliman101]

Forgive me if this has been asked/posted elsewhere but I seen DeVore is accepting Plaintiffs for his 3rd case but when you click on "start case" it brings you to a form that clearly says "contributions only- you are not joining case." Obviously this is a bit confusing as it says "registration extended" at the top. What am I missing here?

 

[357]

On 1/30/2023 at 12:55 PM, jkdkaliman101 said:

Forgive me if this has been asked/posted elsewhere but I seen DeVore is accepting Plaintiffs for his 3rd case but when you click on "start case" it brings you to a form that clearly says "contributions only- you are not joining case." Obviously this is a bit confusing as it says "registration extended" at the top. What am I missing here?

 

Email his office info@devorelawoffices.com

[DaveIL]

On 1/30/2023 at 12:55 PM, jkdkaliman101 said:

Forgive me if this has been asked/posted elsewhere but I seen DeVore is accepting Plaintiffs for his 3rd case but when you click on "start case" it brings you to a form that clearly says "contributions only- you are not joining case." Obviously this is a bit confusing as it says "registration extended" at the top. What am I missing here?

 

It looks like a bit of a glitch, You click on case 3 and it sends you to a case 2 page, but it does not say registration closed. 

[jkdkaliman101]

On 1/30/2023 at 2:07 PM, 357 said:

Email his office info@devorelawoffices.com

Did before posting here...still waiting....I'll update if I get any info

[DaveIL]

I messaged on Twitter he said he fixed it..

 

Update: Yes he fixed it.

 

Edited January 30, 2023 at 11:02 PM by DaveIL

[Ranger]

I thought the following article was pretty interesting.  Obviously DeVore is getting a boatload of money and free publicity from this; but whether to join and pay his fee is a conscious individual decision so I have no quibble there.

My question is...  Is he in effect creating a gun registry of sorts by doing it how he is doing it?  Looks to me like he has now created a public list of around 2,566 people who very likely possess weapons that now violate state law (a law which I agree should be found unconstitutional).  It's probably no secret that I'm not a DeVore fan; but I think I like Stock's approach a whole lot better.

 

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/illinois-state-police-enforcing-state-s-gun-ban-reveal-one-case-under-investigation/article_6462dc04-a0f0-11ed-a9d5-d30cb6d205bd.html

DeVore filed an Effingham County challenge on behalf of 866 named plaintiffs. It is pending an appellate court decision of a lower court’s temporary restraining order blocking the law. A ruling on a TRO is pending in a White County case where DeVore represents nearly 1,700 named plaintiffs.

Caulkins’ attorney Jerry Stock labeled DeVore’s filing as a “side show.” Stock argued he doesn’t need hundreds of plaintiffs in a case to prove the law is unconstitutional.

“There was no way I was going to attempt to represent hundreds of clients when the remedy sought is a judgment, not the temporary time out,” Stock told The Center Square. “While we’ll seek that on this path, the real goal was to knock this legislation out. I thought that my firm taking a fee based on the volume of clients was not something I could be comfortable with ethically.”

Stock said he wasn’t casting aspersions and people can hire any attorney they want, but he “very strongly disagrees” with DeVore’s approach.

“I think it’s a far more liberal way of pursuing the claims,” Stock said. “And not having to implicate every individual gun owner or to charge every individual gun owner a fee, because it just was not necessary.”

[jkdkaliman101]

On 1/31/2023 at 9:17 AM, Ranger said:

I thought the following article was pretty interesting.  Obviously DeVore is getting a boatload of money and free publicity from this; but whether to join and pay his fee is a conscious individual decision so I have no quibble there.

My question is...  Is he in effect creating a gun registry of sorts by doing it how he is doing it?  Looks to me like he has now created a public list of around 2,566 people who very likely possess weapons that now violate state law (a law which I agree should be found unconstitutional).  It's probably no secret that I'm not a DeVore fan; but I think I like Stock's approach a whole lot better.

 

https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/illinois-state-police-enforcing-state-s-gun-ban-reveal-one-case-under-investigation/article_6462dc04-a0f0-11ed-a9d5-d30cb6d205bd.html

DeVore filed an Effingham County challenge on behalf of 866 named plaintiffs. It is pending an appellate court decision of a lower court’s temporary restraining order blocking the law. A ruling on a TRO is pending in a White County case where DeVore represents nearly 1,700 named plaintiffs.

Caulkins’ attorney Jerry Stock labeled DeVore’s filing as a “side show.” Stock argued he doesn’t need hundreds of plaintiffs in a case to prove the law is unconstitutional.

“There was no way I was going to attempt to represent hundreds of clients when the remedy sought is a judgment, not the temporary time out,” Stock told The Center Square. “While we’ll seek that on this path, the real goal was to knock this legislation out. I thought that my firm taking a fee based on the volume of clients was not something I could be comfortable with ethically.”

Stock said he wasn’t casting aspersions and people can hire any attorney they want, but he “very strongly disagrees” with DeVore’s approach.

“I think it’s a far more liberal way of pursuing the claims,” Stock said. “And not having to implicate every individual gun owner or to charge every individual gun owner a fee, because it just was not necessary.”

I have been on the fence on whether to be a Plaintiff in case #3 or not for various reasons. After reading what stock had to say, I'm going to go with my "gut" and save my $200 for now. I also am waiting for the judgment remedy and not just a "time out"- I firmly believe we will prevail in defeating this bogus law in the long run. I've already donated to Todd's case via ASC and will consider sending more vs going to case #3 that may or may not even get a TRO. Thanks for the info Ranger.

[357]

On 1/31/2023 at 12:00 PM, jkdkaliman101 said:

I have been on the fence on whether to be a Plaintiff in case #3 or not for various reasons. After reading what stock had to say, I'm going to go with my "gut" and save my $200 for now. I also am waiting for the judgment remedy and not just a "time out"- I firmly believe we will prevail in defeating this bogus law in the long run. I've already donated to Todd's case via ASC and will consider sending more vs going to case #3 that may or may not even get a TRO. Thanks for the info Ranger.

Just received email that the appellate court affirmed the TRO for case 1 on equal protection arguments and he expects it to be binding for the other cases too.

[oprtb]

On 1/31/2023 at 1:10 PM, 357 said:

Just received email that the appellate court affirmed the TRO for case 1 on equal protection arguments and he expects it to be binding for the other cases too.

Legal language always confuses me but this sounds like good news?