Accuracy Firearms, et al v Pritzker - Effingham Co - Gun/Mag Ban - Att. Thomas DeVore

[2smartby1/2]

On 9/15/2023 at 8:18 AM, steveTA84 said:

And then we have everything post-decision in the recusal thread that can be used as well. why no lawyers are using that stuff (yet) is beyond me. The case could be made that the ruling was tainted, and the evidence is there to back it up beyond a reasonable doubt. He could work the way up to presenting that to the ILSC. Wouldn’t that be a s**t show  for the ages lol, and we would win, because if they didn’t rule in favor, yet another lawyer besides Stocks who could appeal to SCOTUS on Caperton ruling grounds, especially since the MDA event after being seated and also the Lake County Dem party event last weekend, we have a pattern of partisan activity that raises doubt of the integrity of the justice that ruled on the law.
 

I think Tom is being more calculated though, going through the motions. I think if he had to, he’d go all in and go that route. Like the guy it noted he does fight and does get results 

Yeah, I think he is saving that as a last ditch option if need be.  He's playing nice with the courts right now, and will leave that route to someone else....at least for the moment. 

[Illinois Sucks]

On 9/15/2023 at 11:39 AM, 2smartby1/2 said:

Yeah, I think he is saving that as a last ditch option if need be.  He's playing nice with the courts right now, and will leave that route to someone else....at least for the moment. 

 

I swear he mentioned in a video that he was not wanting to go down that route.  Perhaps it opens up a can of worms that neither side wants to?  But, he may be keeping it in the bag in case everything else falls through.

 

[steveTA84]

On 9/15/2023 at 12:48 PM, Illinois Sucks said:

 

I swear he mentioned in a video that he was not wanting to go down that route.  Perhaps it opens up a can of worms that neither side wants to?  But, he may be keeping it in the bag in case everything else falls through.

 

Rochford did it to herself by being an idiot and doing these activities and allowing herself to be photographed doing so by the people and groups like MDA. This isn’t even a deep dive and is all found on Facebook with a simple keyword search.  I’m hoping it’s a nuclear option, cuz it’s a winning option, and we gotta play to win.

 

If all is said and done, the courts say “no”, and then it’s dropped, clients should be ticked off IMO, and I’m a client myself. Her ruling is compromised well beyond reasonable doubt, and this is a legit opportunity to remedy that.  Come 1/1/24 if the fed cases are still in play and this route is if ignored, people should be mad and asking questions why it wasn’t used. Time will tell though 

Edited September 15, 2023 at 06:59 PM by steveTA84

[Tip]

You can rest assured that if the roles were reversed the antis would be all over this like a fly on….

 

[steveTA84]

On 9/15/2023 at 2:47 PM, Tip said:

You can rest assured that if the roles were reversed the antis would be all over this like a fly on….

 

Exactly, and that’s the frustrating part. That said, it can be done at any time (get misconduct is now documented and isn’t going away), so we just gotta see what happens. I do have a route we can all go without DeVore or Stocks, but that’s if they don’t use what’s been handed to them on a silver platter 

[steveTA84]

Watched DeVore’s update last night. He’s ready to take this to the ILSC (by going through the lower courts first), which leads me to believe he’s got a plan for that 

Edited September 18, 2023 at 02:39 PM by steveTA84

[davel501]

I mean....he's got this thing and it's f'n golden. The power he now wields is a beautiful thing. 

[Yeti]

On 9/18/2023 at 9:39 AM, steveTA84 said:

Watched DeVore’s update last night. He’s ready to take this to the ILSC (by going through the lower courts first), which leads me to believe he’s got a plan for that 

That’s all good but he’s burning daylight.  It’s closer to October than August and a lot of soon-to-be “felons by pompous decree” have to decide what to do with their formerly-legal inert objects or decide if they need to pick up and leave this awful political environment.

 

 

[Molly B.]

Jan 1, 2024 is the line of demarcation in the law.  Oct 2023 is when ISP is supposed to have the registration portal available and the emergency rules to do that have not even been published yet.

[solareclipse2]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:17 AM, Molly B. said:

Jan 1, 2024 is the line of demarcation in the law.  Oct 2023 is when ISP is supposed to have the registration portal available and the emergency rules to do that have not even been published yet.

 

so we're not criminals until January? 

[Molly B.]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said:

 

so we're not criminals until January? 

 

 

That's my assessment.

[Jeffrey]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said:

 

so we're not criminals until January? 

Only in the minds of other criminals

[Illinois Sucks]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:51 AM, Jeffrey said:

Only in the minds of other criminals

By "criminals" you mean Democrats?

[mab22]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:48 AM, Molly B. said:

 

 

That's my assessment.

And first offense is a misdemeanor, 2nd is the felony?
 

[mab22]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:01 AM, Yeti said:

That’s all good but he’s burning daylight.  It’s closer to October than August and a lot of soon-to-be “felons by pompous decree” have to decide what to do with their formerly-legal inert objects or decide if they need to pick up and leave this awful political environment.

 

 

It’s the way the courts work it’s not him, he files they get 30 days to respond, then after response they get a hearing, then the judge makes a decision. 
keep in mind that Judge easterbrook and friends has not responded in the federal case, I don’t think the judges in the federal case have timelines, they could hold out till 2025 is my understanding.

[Jeffrey]

On 9/18/2023 at 11:13 AM, Illinois Sucks said:

By "criminals" you mean Democrats?

Yes, thought it was implied.

[steveTA84]

 

[JTHunter]

On 9/18/2023 at 11:42 AM, steveTA84 said:

 

At least they got the "rules" posted before the 1st.  NOW the question is if the website will also work. 🤔

[Molly B.]

Actually, the link doesn't seem to show the emergency rules.  Can't find a link.  Only link is to the press release saying they filed the emergency rules with Sec. of State.

[mab22]

On 9/18/2023 at 3:25 PM, Molly B. said:

Actually, the link doesn't seem to show the emergency rules.  Can't find a link.  Only link is to the press release saying they filed the emergency rules with Sec. of State.

You can find the link here.

 

[Molly B.]

Nevermind.  My slow internet access finally downloaded the rest of the press release:

 

[yurimodin]

[Yeti]

On 9/18/2023 at 11:26 AM, mab22 said:

It’s the way the courts work it’s not him, he files they get 30 days to respond, then after response they get a hearing, then the judge makes a decision. 

Probably my mistake, thought he was still working on his motion to reconsider.

[lilguy]

Where has a resent gun control/ registration system been implemented, thrown out by court order, records eliminated and not been 

been reinstated by new legislation.

 

Alot of make work for lawyers. My LGS is all over the map, week to week, on whats legal. I would not bet the farm on any legal information we  are getting from anyone at this point.

 

 

[mab22]

State is supposed to file the response to the motion to reconsider on Monday 10-16-2023.

If anyone has access to the filings please feel free to post.

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnnnnd that was the big update. 🙂

 

[mab22]

The defense has uploaded the response to the motion to reconsider in Effingham county IL a few days ago.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to download it, and a certain group of people appear to have not bothered to post it to members of the case. 🤬

 

So if someone has access and would like to post it to the thread it would be appreciated.

[crufflesmuth]

On 9/18/2023 at 10:46 AM, solareclipse2 said:

 

so we're not criminals until January? 

 

Not until you're arrested, charged and prosecuted. Otherwise, it's just nothing. Keep that illegal STG44 in the basement, by all means!

[mab22]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:02 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

Not until you're arrested, charged and prosecuted. Otherwise, it's just nothing. Keep that illegal STG44 in the basement, by all means!

Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have?

[mauserme]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:52 PM, mab22 said:

Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have?

 

You're a felon only after being convicted of a felony charge.

 

 

[crufflesmuth]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:52 PM, mab22 said:

Kinda, I thought once "arrested", not just convicted, you automatically become a felon for each firearm and round of ammunition you have?

 

Until a gavel comes down, you're not a felon. I wish people would understand this. There is a process. Even in Illinois.