Have Questions About the new Protect Illinois Communities Act?

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I did finally get to talk to a live person at the ISP and was told they will not answer my questions because it was considered to be giving legal advice. I inquired about resources available to clarify attachments and was told everything I need to know is in the FAQ's or the available .pdf's. 

 

My last effort will be to send my State Senators office an email with my specific questions as they said they have contacts at the ISP that they correspond with frequently. They'll try and get answers for me that way. So I guess I'll write it all out and see what happens.

 

VooDoo

[mauserme]

On 11/16/2023 at 1:38 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

I did finally get to talk to a live person at the ISP and was told they will not answer my questions because it was considered to be giving legal advice. I inquired about resources available to clarify attachments and was told everything I need to know is in the FAQ's or the available .pdf's. 

 

My last effort will be to send my State Senators office an email with my specific questions as they said they have contacts at the ISP that they correspond with frequently. They'll try and get answers for me that way. So I guess I'll write it all out and see what happens.

 

VooDoo

 

I don't claim to know their minds but it's easy to get the impression no one is very interested in enforcing this law.  And, maybe it's just me, but I think that's a good thing.

 

It might be best to just leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

[Jeffrey]

I wouldn't put it past some scum bag like Mike Madigan to start a company that would offer a small fee to do all the registrations for a customer.

[mikew]

On 11/16/2023 at 2:37 PM, Jeffrey said:

I wouldn't put it past some scum bag like Mike Madigan to start a company that would offer a small fee to do all the registrations for a customer.

Somehow I don't see Mike Madigan collecting small fees for a while.  I could be wrong.

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 11/16/2023 at 2:34 PM, mauserme said:

 

I don't claim to know their minds but it's easy to get the impression no one is very interested in enforcing this law.  And, maybe it's just me, but I think that's a good thing.

 

It might be best to just leave it alone.

 

 

 

 

 

It amazes me how many people in Government and LE have no idea all this is going on. I could leave it sit but that part where I potentially become a felon on December 31st is weighing heavily on me. 

 

VooDoo

[Tip]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:06 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

 

It amazes me how many people in Government and LE have no idea all this is going on. I could leave it sit but that part where I potentially become a felon on December 31st is weighing heavily on me. 

 

VooDoo

You don’t automatically “become a felon” and certainly will not on December 31st.

You must first be arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried and found guilty. 

[Upholder]

Not to throw fuel on the fire (well, maybe) but how about this one I bet few have considered:

 

If I have an AR-15 -- and that AR-15 is complete.. the law states that I have to register my AR-15 to be compliant.  It also states that you have to register all attachments.  Does the law require that I separately register the attachments that are currently attached to the AR-15 that I register?

 

I bet that a strict reading of the law would be "yes".

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:36 PM, Upholder said:

 

If I have an AR-15 -- and that AR-15 is complete.. the law states that I have to register my AR-15 to be compliant.  It also states that you have to register all attachments.  Does the law require that I separately register the attachments that are currently attached to the AR-15 that I register?

 

 This is exactly one of the questions I am asking. But if you register the AR and the attachments as separate items, if push come to shove does it look like you were in possession of an AR *and* 5 more/additional attachments? If I register I don't want it to look like I have an AR and extra attachments.

 

And what about the Ruger 10/22 I have all tricked out? The ISP guide specifically says the 1/22 is not regulated unless it has attachments that are regulated. So then would I register/disclose all the attachments and leave the action out of the equation? The gun itself is not a problem. It's the stuff that's on it, the attachments, that are regulated.

 

VooDoo

[Jeffrey]

On 11/16/2023 at 2:48 PM, mikew said:

Somehow I don't see Mike Madigan collecting small fees for a while.  I could be wrong.

I do.  He might need it unless all his lawyers are paying off their debt.  

[Vodoun da Vinci]

On 11/16/2023 at 3:36 PM, Tip said:

You don’t automatically “become a felon” and certainly will not on December 31st.

You must first be arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried and found guilty. 

 

In my mind and to my Code this is the same as saying that if A guy robs a store and pistol whips the clerk he's not a felon until he is arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried and found guilty. I have not yet decided what I'm gonna do and I'm gathering as much information as I can before I make a decision about how I'm going to proceed.

 

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Failing to complete and submit the required endorsement affidavit is a violation of Illinois law – specifically, the FOID Act (Class A misdemeanor) and the Criminal Code of 2012 (1st offense – Class A misdemeanor; second or subsequent offense – Class 3 Felony). Persons who violate the endorsement affidavit requirements may be arrested and charged.

 

The law says if I don't register I could be charged as I have committed a crime. Not registering, in my case because I have multiple regulated items, is committing a felony. If a person is ok with this then that is his choice....If I continue to carry my Beretta Px4 concealed with it's 17 round mag, no one would know. But I know I'm breaking the law.

 

VooDoo

[Euler]

A person who allegedly committed a felony is an alleged felon (even if he actually did it). A person who has been convicted of committing a felony is a felon (even if he didn't actually do it).

Meanwhile, just register everything you have. What the government wants it keeps. What could possibly go wrong?

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 11/16/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

House Sponsor Representative Bob Morgan's office, he was aware of PICA but knew very little about the disclosure affidavit. Referred me to my State Representative. Called them and the lady (who was very nice on the phone) had no clue about PICA or anything to do with enforcement or Registration. he's gonna try and find me some resources that can explain it.

 

I think it's a dead end road but I'm trying. Seems that virtually everyone I'm looking for help from either has little or no knowledge that *any* of this is going on in Illinois.

 

We are screwed if we do and screwed if we don't it seems.

 

VooDoo

 

I've had my best luck with asking to speak to someone in the office about my concerns. 

You reps etc have someone else at the office that will speak to you, it gets a lot more attention and lets them prepare if they aren't aware they will be. 

[mab22]

On 11/16/2023 at 1:02 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

House Sponsor Representative Bob Morgan's office, he was aware of PICA but knew very little about the disclosure affidavit. Referred me to my State Representative. Called them and the lady (who was very nice on the phone) had no clue about PICA or anything to do with enforcement or Registration. he's gonna try and find me some resources that can explain it.

 

I think it's a dead end road but I'm trying. Seems that virtually everyone I'm looking for help from either has little or no knowledge that *any* of this is going on in Illinois.

 

We are screwed if we do and screwed if we don't it seems.

 

VooDoo

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well if the Rep's dont' know anything about the law, then there must not be a law that we have to worry about.

🙂 That settles it.

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 11/16/2023 at 7:02 PM, mab22 said:

 

Well if the Rep's dont' know anything about the law, then there must not be a law that we have to worry about.

🙂 That settles it.

It would be hard to argue ignorance of the law is no excuse when you've contacted your rep and they have no clue.

[bcook619]

Looking for a new 17hmr bolt action. Are Ruger precision models sellable in Illinois? 

[Euler]

The ban affects only semiautos.

[Smallbore]

On 11/16/2023 at 4:05 PM, Vodoun da Vinci said:

 

In my mind and to my Code this is the same as saying that if A guy robs a store and pistol whips the clerk he's not a felon until he is arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried and found guilty. I have not yet decided what I'm gonna do and I'm gathering as much information as I can before I make a decision about how I'm going to proceed.

 

 

The law says if I don't register I could be charged as I have committed a crime. Not registering, in my case because I have multiple regulated items, is committing a felony. If a person is ok with this then that is his choice....If I continue to carry my Beretta Px4 concealed with it's 17 round mag, no one would know. But I know I'm breaking the law.

 

VooDoo

You may be surprised with how many laws you have broken unintentionally already.

[ArmedNFriendly]

On 1/11/2023 at 11:54 AM, billzfx4 said:

I do have a few vacation days to use up 👹

Where do we sign up