mauserme Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:23 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:23 PM Have Questions About the new Protect Illinois Communities Act? So do we. This law was passed with more confusion than explanation, leading to a large number of questions about it's implications and enforcement. We are as confused as anyone. Because of this we suggest all questions be directed to both sponsors who will share their firearm and legal expertise. They may be contacted at: House Sponsor Representative Bob Morgan District Office: (847) 780-8471 info@repbobmorgan.com Senate Sponsor President Don Harmon District Office: (708) 848-2002 dharmon@senatedem.ilga.gov The Illinois State police can also be contacted with questions. Director Kelly's office may be reached at 217-782-7263. Don't be shy. No question is too small. ### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfx4 Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:54 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:54 PM I do have a few vacation days to use up 👹 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauserme Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:57 PM Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 05:57 PM On 1/11/2023 at 11:54 AM, billzfx4 said: I do have a few vacation days to use up 👹 I like your thinking 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrou Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:20 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:20 PM I'm not a regular poster here, but BEAT FEET once I heard of the legislation passing... Here's a good one: If somebody THEORETICALLY has a 50BMG rifle with SOME AMOUNT of ammunition onhand, what happens in days/weeks/months when they need to buy more ammo? Screwed?! Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKS-74U Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:22 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:22 PM I didn't see any specific language in the bill, but does this have any impact on existing or future NFAs? I have several already, and several more in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:24 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:24 PM (edited) What about new .499 barrels marked as .499? And ammo marked the same way? Edited January 11, 2023 at 07:25 PM by jim123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim123 Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:28 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:28 PM On 1/11/2023 at 1:24 PM, jim123 said: What about new .499 barrels marked as .499? And ammo marked the same way? Never mind. I see its actually .510 bullet diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKS-74U Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:31 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:31 PM Iirc there are already some not quite .50bmg rifles, barrels, ammo, etc... out there specifically a s a work around for these types of laws in other states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solareclipse2 Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:33 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 07:33 PM What I find interesting is that they've specifically targeted .50 BMG and the rifles in their definitions. They said nothing about .50 AE and .50 AE pistols so I guess those are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skris48 Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:23 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:23 PM On 1/11/2023 at 1:20 PM, kestrou said: I'm not a regular poster here, but BEAT FEET once I heard of the legislation passing... Here's a good one: If somebody THEORETICALLY has a 50BMG rifle with SOME AMOUNT of ammunition onhand, what happens in days/weeks/months when they need to buy more ammo? Screwed?! Kevin I would say yes. That person is screwed. They could try to buy ammo out of state and bring it in but I would guess that would be technically illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragsbo Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:54 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:54 PM SO, a Glock Model 22 normally comes with a 15 round magazine. (I assume that the fact you can have one in the chamber for 16 total does not matter since they say magazine capacity of 15 or less). But elsewhere it says the weapon can not accept a magazine larger that that so there ARE magazines for the Model 22 that will hold more than 15. Does that make the gun illegal under this law or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim85 Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:56 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 08:56 PM So… emailed Morgan as a concerned citizen, wonder if he’ll send a real reply, or just the auto one like pritzker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RECarry Posted January 11, 2023 at 10:39 PM Share Posted January 11, 2023 at 10:39 PM Let's ask these gloating lawmakers when the public will see a plain language list of what's banned - the version that will be distributed to the enforcers in the field (ISP, etc.).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviSS Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:40 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:40 AM (edited) Are stripped lowers banned? They have none of the specified features. You could do a CA stock, bullet button and bolt action upper. Is it purchased/transfer AND a background check initiated or purchased OR transfer with a background check initiated. I know that sounds odd, but what if it was purchased online before he signed the bill? It has been purchased, but no background check initiated. So I would assume it is legally yours once you pay for it and have a dated and time stamped receipt. Are we going to be able to list the caliber as "multi" for lowers that you swap uppers on? How can they ban the sale of all parts when some parts are used on bolt action chassis rifles like grips, stocks, etc. What if you have a legal, grandfathered "assault" rifle and have a part break? I could probably go on for days. Edited January 12, 2023 at 01:54 AM by LeviSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:50 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:50 AM The sooner someone files a lawsuit, and another stupid Illinois law is overturned, the sooner your lives can return to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrichard Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:52 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 01:52 AM Does anyone have the vote tally for the bill? Did any republicans vote in favor? If so, who? Any Dems vote against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrsaMajor Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:27 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:27 AM What do current gun owners of these “assault weapons” do if already owning them? Are specific ammo calibers banned? Can someone move me the heck out of this state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaceMaker Posted January 12, 2023 at 06:09 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 06:09 AM Question: Should I give the ***** my serial numbers and raise that flag? (ATF should have that info but apparently they don't talk to one-another or are just looking for reasons to place "potholes" in our way forward in order to forcibly remove our ominous black guns and artillery of war!) or: Should I start digging a hole in the basement to store my newly designated illicit weaponry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishjames Posted January 12, 2023 at 06:13 AM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 06:13 AM On 1/11/2023 at 9:27 PM, UrsaMajor said: What do current gun owners of these “assault weapons” do if already owning them? Are specific ammo calibers banned? Can someone move me the heck out of this state? See the first post in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted January 12, 2023 at 02:59 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 02:59 PM On 1/11/2023 at 7:40 PM, LeviSS said: Are stripped lowers banned? They have none of the specified features. You could do a CA stock, bullet button and bolt action upper. Is it purchased/transfer AND a background check initiated or purchased OR transfer with a background check initiated. I know that sounds odd, but what if it was purchased online before he signed the bill? It has been purchased, but no background check initiated. So I would assume it is legally yours once you pay for it and have a dated and time stamped receipt. Are we going to be able to list the caliber as "multi" for lowers that you swap uppers on? How can they ban the sale of all parts when some parts are used on bolt action chassis rifles like grips, stocks, etc. What if you have a legal, grandfathered "assault" rifle and have a part break? I could probably go on for days. See the first post in this thread for answers. It might be good if you limited each email/call to just one of your questions and send them to both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:28 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:28 PM On 1/11/2023 at 9:27 PM, UrsaMajor said: Can someone move me the heck out of this state? You can only help yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjgogo Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:42 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:42 PM what if i theoretically had an old 22 rifle that has a built in magazine that holds 20 rounds it’s bolt action but the magazine cannot be removed it would be illegal? but if i also had a sniper rifle that was used in a world war but it is 30 caliber and is good to 1500 meters in the right hands and that’s totally cool because it can only hold 5 rounds. What the hey!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjgogo Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:49 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:49 PM for the others on ammo i would learn to reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmyers Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:59 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 03:59 PM On 1/11/2023 at 7:50 PM, Wild Bill said: The sooner someone files a lawsuit, and another stupid Illinois law is overturned, the sooner your lives can return to normal. You have to remember filing a lawsuit like this isn't easy. The brief you file, to my understanding, is limited to 30 pages or less (there are some workarounds, but I am not a lawyer). That sounds like a lot, but with all the issues in this bill, you will be just scratching the surface of those in 30 pages. Yet, your brief setups your case and has to show to the court that you have a case. So as much as we want a suit filed yesterday, it is important for the suits that are being filed to take the time to get them well prepared and then filed. For most of us, nothing changes for 90 days, except we can no longer buy banned firearms or magazines. I would much rather those involved take a few days and get the best argument for the suit put together than rush in and file a poorly written brief and create issues. My guess is there may be a flood of suits coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrsaMajor Posted January 12, 2023 at 04:08 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 04:08 PM Is ammo affected by this? I sent emails to these guys but was just wondering if someone already has some knowledge on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted January 12, 2023 at 04:49 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 04:49 PM On 1/12/2023 at 10:08 AM, UrsaMajor said: Is ammo affected by this? I sent emails to these guys but was just wondering if someone already has some knowledge on the subject. See the first post in this thread. Feel free to call and/or email both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Destro Posted January 12, 2023 at 05:33 PM Share Posted January 12, 2023 at 05:33 PM As much as I want to annoy them. This is almost the same as "writing the ATF" imo. There is also a saying too: Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptStation17 Posted January 14, 2023 at 12:40 AM Share Posted January 14, 2023 at 12:40 AM (edited) On 1/11/2023 at 7:52 PM, rrichard said: Does anyone have the vote tally for the bill? Did any republicans vote in favor? If so, who? Any Dems vote against? This is what I have seen so far. Trying to verify this is for the final vote on the bill. Vote Tally Democrat Republican Yea 68 66 2 Nay 41 4 37 Not Voting 2 1 1 Absent - - - TOTAL 111 71 40 Edited January 14, 2023 at 12:45 AM by CaptStation17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTC Hunter Posted January 14, 2023 at 03:28 AM Share Posted January 14, 2023 at 03:28 AM On 1/11/2023 at 1:33 PM, solareclipse2 said: What I find interesting is that they've specifically targeted .50 BMG and the rifles in their definitions. They said nothing about .50 AE and .50 AE pistols so I guess those are safe. I was worried about my.500 Linebaugh revolver but I guess I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrichard Posted January 14, 2023 at 05:56 AM Share Posted January 14, 2023 at 05:56 AM On 1/13/2023 at 6:40 PM, CaptStation17 said: This is what I have seen so far. Trying to verify this is for the final vote on the bill. Vote Tally Democrat Republican Yea 68 66 2 Nay 41 4 37 Not Voting 2 1 1 Absent - - - TOTAL 111 71 40 Thanks. That helps, but I’d like to see a list of names and votes cast. I’ve seen that for other bills in the past, but can’t find the list for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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