which guns specifically are banned or required to be registered per hb5471

[cybermgk]

On 1/9/2023 at 11:06 PM, Manhattan said:

This is the part of the bill that kills me: 

 

Barrel Shroud being banned. Damn near every rifle, "assault" or not, has a barrel shroud. Does a barrel shroud make the rifle more deadly? No. But god forbid we place our grip on the barrel to better control the firearm. Can't have that. Better remove the shroud so that it's difficult to wield. 

 

 

(vi) a shroud attached to the barrel or that
25		partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing

1		the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger
2		hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that
3		encloses the barrel.

It is also going to make it easier to strike down, imho.  Almost ever rifle has a foreend, etc.  Even, a stock that extends forward, all one piece, attaches to, and partially or more covers the barrel. So just about any rifle has a shroud.

[ragsbo]

On 1/10/2023 at 9:41 AM, Jeffrey said:

Today it's mag capacities.  Tomorrow will be the ammo.  At what point will they consider a bird shot to be illegal due to too many pellets in a single shot?

They will claim that the shot is toxic and a hazard material. Already working on it. Can't use lead shot for ducks and geese on state/federal land.

[papa]

On 1/10/2023 at 12:51 PM, ragsbo said:

They will claim that the shot is toxic and a hazard material. Already working on it. Can't use lead shot for ducks and geese on state/federal land.

Can't use lead for Dove hunting on those lands either.

[ragsbo]

They write these laws in such a confusing and legalisms so the common person can't understand it and so they can claim it says what ever they want. 

[yurimodin]

On 1/10/2023 at 12:39 PM, cybermgk said:

It is also going to make it easier to strike down, imho.  Almost ever rifle has a foreend, etc.  Even, a stock that extends forward, all one piece, attaches to, and partially or more covers the barrel. So just about any rifle has a shroud.

Common Use (Heller) + Text, History, and Tradition (Bruen) = they can pound sand.

[Bubbacs]

Late to the party as always.  Do we get to keep our current supply of Assault Weapons/Weapons of War?  And do we get to keep our small supply of 30 round Aromor Piercing ammo carrying thingies if we already have some? 

[mab22]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:26 PM, Bubbacs said:

Late to the party as always.  Do we get to keep our current supply of Assault Weapons/Weapons of War?  And do we get to keep our small supply of 30 round Aromor Piercing ammo carrying thingies if we already have some? 

Very short version. 
Yes, they are grandfathered in, at some point they think you will register your assault rifles. 
So make sure you tell them to not leave the house unless going straight to the range and back. 

[cybermgk]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:26 PM, Bubbacs said:

Late to the party as always.  Do we get to keep our current supply of Assault Weapons/Weapons of War?  And do we get to keep our small supply of 30 round Aromor Piercing ammo carrying thingies if we already have some? 

Still hasn't passed.

 

But assuming so, yes on the ammo carrying thingies, but can only have at home, a range, on the way to range if unloaded and locked in trunk or other case, or on private land that has given express permission that you can, same for evil thingies for pistols of 16 or more.

 

And yes, on those evil sporting rifles they call WoW, IF you register them with make model, s/n and your FOID number, during a certain period of time after bill becomes law , with an electronic form, that doesn't exist yet...

[cybermgk]

On 1/10/2023 at 12:53 PM, ragsbo said:

They write these laws in such a confusing and legalisms so the common person can't understand it and so they can claim it says what ever they want. 

Actually this pile of stinking ordure, isn;t really in legalese (well so much).  It's probblem is it is written by people ignorant of guns AND also in very vague terms (see above stuff on shroud)l

[cybermgk]

from Second Amendment Sports in email today:

 

[2A4Cook]

I just hope this doesn't get assigned to a bad panel in the 7th Circuit.  Any legitimate court would issue an enforcement stay on this immediately while it's being litigated to its obvious conclusion.  Unfortunately, with Democrat-appointed judges on the bench and a large proportion of them being activists in black robes, this is not a certainty, and it will take forever (if at all) to get picked up by the SCOTUS.

[MrTriple]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:48 PM, 2A4Cook said:

I just hope this doesn't get assigned to a bad panel in the 7th Circuit.  Any legitimate court would issue an enforcement stay on this immediately while it's being litigated to its obvious conclusion.  Unfortunately, with Democrat-appointed judges on the bench and a large proportion of them being activists in black robes, this is not a certainty, and it will take forever (if at all) to get picked up by the SCOTUS.

The Seventh Circuit Court is majority GOP appointees (I believe something like 10-5) and the chief justice is a Trump appointee. The individual districts are a different story, but the Circuit itself isn't.

[2A4Cook]

On 1/10/2023 at 2:23 PM, MrTriple said:

The Seventh Circuit Court is majority GOP appointees (I believe something like 10-5) and the chief justice is a Trump appointee. The individual districts are a different story, but the Circuit itself isn't.

I fully expect the Northern District of Illinois to refuse to issue a stay, and likely to eventually rule in favor of the Tyranocrats.  A fair and honest ruling would be a pleasant surprise, but I doubt it.  Hence why I skipped it and went straight to the 7th Circuit with my comment.  Are there any panels in which Clinton/Obama appointees form a majority?

[G214me]

On 1/10/2023 at 12:31 PM, cybermgk said:

Not true.  It's a fixed, fixed  capacity magazine, ergo why they list specifically SKS WITH detacheable magazine.  There are SKS's that have been modified to accept AK mags, THOSE are what are listed.  Non modified SKS rifles, are a fixed mag of 10 or less..

The SKS models with the detachable AK 47 mag are the SKS M and SKS D. One had a regular SKS stock the other had a thumbhole stock. 

[Flynn]

On 1/10/2023 at 9:37 AM, Craigcr2 said:

The Bass Pro in East Peoria has had a used Taurus Circuit Judge in .410/45 Colt for at least 5-6 months. I keep almost buying it, but talk myself out of it because its really just a novel toy without a use case. 

 

I have always felt that loaded with .410 PDX1 or buckshot they would make a nice anti-carjacking 'car gun'

[mikew]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:48 PM, 2A4Cook said:

I just hope this doesn't get assigned to a bad panel in the 7th Circuit.  Any legitimate court would issue an enforcement stay on this immediately while it's being litigated to its obvious conclusion.  Unfortunately, with Democrat-appointed judges on the bench and a large proportion of them being activists in black robes, this is not a certainty, and it will take forever (if at all) to get picked up by the SCOTUS.

McDonald took about two years from filing to ruling by SCOTUS.

[mab22]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:39 PM, mikew said:

McDonald took about two years from filing to ruling by SCOTUS.

Let’s hope this one doesn’t take that long. 
 

[defaultdotxbe]

On 1/10/2023 at 12:31 PM, cybermgk said:

Not true.  It's a fixed, fixed  capacity magazine, ergo why they list specifically SKS WITH detacheable magazine.  There are SKS's that have been modified to accept AK mags, THOSE are what are listed.  Non modified SKS rifles, are a fixed mag of 10 or less..

All depends on what they consider "readily modifiable"

 

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine

 

I've seen it argued that SKS count as detachable because you don't actually have to "modify" anything, just disassemble and reassemble without the magazine in place.

 

Also, less often, that Garands are "readily modifiable" because someone modified one to accept 20-round BAR mags.

 

 

Needless to say, courts will have a lot to sort out even beyond the outright constitutionality of the ban.

[mikew]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:41 PM, mab22 said:

Let’s hope this one doesn’t take that long. 
 

I think that was probably fast.

 

[Flynn]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, defaultdotxbe said:

Needless to say, courts will have a lot to sort out even beyond the outright constitutionality of the ban.

 

IMO there is nothing to be sorted out beyond it being found entirely unconstitutional.

[lilguy]

On 1/9/2023 at 10:17 PM, mauserme said:

Specifics begin on Page 84.

Is this what the governor signed?

[illinois_buckeye]

I got an email about this earlier.  Don’t believe I have any of the affected items.  If the email I got from NRA-ILA is correct they allow hand gun mags up to 15 rounds now? Which I don’t feel this bill is fair to begin with, just thinking I know my hellcat can accept 15 round mags so I don’t think I’m running afoul of anything there.  Makes me tempted though if this law is struck down to purchase a rifle:).

[2A4Cook]

On 1/10/2023 at 11:14 PM, mikew said:

I think that was probably fast.

 

It was VERY fast.

[GTX63]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:26 PM, Bubbacs said:

Late to the party as always.  Do we get to keep our current supply of Assault Weapons/Weapons of War?  And do we get to keep our small supply of 30 round Aromor Piercing ammo carrying thingies if we already have some? 

 

The state has set aside $485,000,000 for aluminum folding lawn chairs, insulated "JB Cares 2023" drink mugs and "Aberellas" pocket umbrellas. One will be sent out to each Illinois firearms owner, according to the states internal records. These are to be used while waiting in line at your local firehouse, city park and polling stations to turn your death pews in. Vouchers in the amount of $50 will be distributed to each household, up to 3 vouchers, for use at any of the Illinois state park campgrounds and lodges. Vouchers can also be applied towards the "A Safer Illinois" State Certified Education and Counseling classes. The costs for the program will be covered with funds taken from the FOID account; any shortfalls can be made up thru local fees and taxes. State resident who have any firearms not covered thru the legislation will receive bumper stickers, and a large inflatable flailing used car lot thingy for their front yard identifying them as an elevated risk, so as to make local residents and law enforcement aware, and by result, safer.  

[GTX63]

Good for them.

 

Republican State Sen. Darren Bailey, who represents Illinois' 55th District and ran a losing bid against Pritzker in 2022, made the following statement on Twitter: "I’ll die on my front porch before anyone takes my guns away. My message to Springfield: If you want my guns, come get them."
 

“A government willing to defy our Constitution is a government that is completely out of control. So you can sit here and dictate whatever you want today...," said Rep. Blaine Wilhour, a Republican from Beecher City, 97 miles northeast of St. Louis. “But I can tell you that we will not comply and you’re not going to do a darn thing about it because the law, the Constitution and the founding principles are on our side.”

[the possum]

I'm not clear on magazines (haven't read the whole bill yet.)   Does this version just stop future sales of mags, and allow us to keep existing ones?  Or does it totally prohibit all hi cap mags?  Do mags have to be registered as well as the guns?

 

This would be highly relevant if I want to keep my AR mags for use in a bolt action rifle.

[solareclipse2]

On 1/11/2023 at 4:42 AM, GTX63 said:

 

The state has set aside $485,000,000 for aluminum folding lawn chairs, insulated "JB Cares 2023" drink mugs and "Aberellas" pocket umbrellas. One will be sent out to each Illinois firearms owner, according to the states internal records. These are to be used while waiting in line at your local firehouse, city park and polling stations to turn your death pews in. Vouchers in the amount of $50 will be distributed to each household, up to 3 vouchers, for use at any of the Illinois state park campgrounds and lodges. Vouchers can also be applied towards the "A Safer Illinois" State Certified Education and Counseling classes. The costs for the program will be covered with funds taken from the FOID account; any shortfalls can be made up thru local fees and taxes. State resident who have any firearms not covered thru the legislation will receive bumper stickers, and a large inflatable flailing used car lot thingy for their front yard identifying them as an elevated risk, so as to make local residents and law enforcement aware, and by result, safer.  

 

I can't even tell what's serious anymore but this strikes me as legitimate at this point.

[mousegun6]

On 1/11/2023 at 4:42 AM, GTX63 said:

 

The state has set aside $485,000,000 for aluminum folding lawn chairs, insulated "JB Cares 2023" drink mugs and "Aberellas" pocket umbrellas. One will be sent out to each Illinois firearms owner, according to the states internal records. These are to be used while waiting in line at your local firehouse, city park and polling stations to turn your death pews in. Vouchers in the amount of $50 will be distributed to each household, up to 3 vouchers, for use at any of the Illinois state park campgrounds and lodges. Vouchers can also be applied towards the "A Safer Illinois" State Certified Education and Counseling classes. The costs for the program will be covered with funds taken from the FOID account; any shortfalls can be made up thru local fees and taxes. State resident who have any firearms not covered thru the legislation will receive bumper stickers, and a large inflatable flailing used car lot thingy for their front yard identifying them as an elevated risk, so as to make local residents and law enforcement aware, and by result, safer.  

You should be writing comedy. That's pretty darn funny. Thanks for making my day.

[Skris48]

On 1/11/2023 at 8:01 AM, the possum said:

I'm not clear on magazines (haven't read the whole bill yet.)   Does this version just stop future sales of mags, and allow us to keep existing ones?  Or does it totally prohibit all hi cap mags?  Do mags have to be registered as well as the guns?

 

This would be highly relevant if I want to keep my AR mags for use in a bolt action rifle.

No new magazine sales more than 10 rds for rifles, 15 rds for pistols.

There is no registration of magazines.

You may keep what you already own and possess them on your private property, at a range or competition or when travelling to and from the range BUT they must be unloaded mags and in a closed container. 

You can't concealed carry more than 15 rd magazines.

[cybermgk]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, defaultdotxbe said:

 

(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine

 

I've seen it argued that SKS count as detachable because you don't actually have to "modify" anything, just disassemble and reassemble without the magazine in place.

 

 

Except that statement isn't true and factual.  That is not how an SKS is converted to use detacheable magazines. If you just take ff te built-on magazine, you can't just then use a detacheable mag.  Milling and additional parts are needed.  Additionally, except for Yugoslavian models, which have a grenade launcher, just having a detacheable magazine capability, under the law, is not enough to be an "assault rifle".  Rifle needs that and another 'feature; listed, which the SKS doesn't.  That is except perhaps the undefined shroud feature.  But if that qualifies it, then that qualifies most semi auto rifles.

 

A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine or that may be readily modified to accept a detachable magazine, if the firearm has one or more of the following: (i) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock; (ii) any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a folding, telescoping, thumbhole, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of, the weapon; (iv) a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; (vi) a shroud attached to the barrel or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 10200HB5471sam003 -84- LRB102 24372 RLC 42574 a the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.

 

 

Lastly, the law expressly states SKS with a detachable magazine, NOT just simply SKS, like it does for AR15, AK47, etc, etc.  And as @G214me  states, there were production models imported, with detachable magazines (there were also original ones modified as well). 

 

Additionally, it mentions only the Mini14 tactical version, and not the every day mini14 (watch sales of those skyrocket).  And the generic Mini 14 is basically just like the SKS with fixed mag, EXCEPT it actually can take a detachable mag. This also lends credence to the fact that an SKS without an actual detacheable magazine is exempt.  

 

IMHO, it is clear what the intent was.  But, then the SHroud portion is where the rubber meets the road.  It is simply not really defined.  As written, it could mean anything, or be intended to just be AR type forends.