guzzimike66 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:22 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:22 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:19 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: That went exactly as expected. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:23 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:23 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:14 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: harmon acknowledges again this will not solve the problem and closes "we'll see you in court". He has been in Bloomberg's pocket and collaborating and conspiring with Bloomberg's moms for many years to deprive people of their Constitutional rights. What does he care is not his money, as long as he enriches himself and gets reelected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:24 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:24 AM Yep, they clearly are blaming SCOTUS. They knew about Bruen from the beginning. That is why they rushed this through now. They wanted to get it on the books before more post-Bruen rulings come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:19 PM, cybermgk said: Yo Harmon, except it's OUR tax dollars wasted that pay for the state to defend this sheep pile in court and gets nullified He still gets his kickbacks...errr ummm campaign contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM Here's a link to the passed senate version: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/102/HB/PDF/10200HB5471sam003.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:27 AM (edited) Koehler did not have the stones to vote no... Unlike Joyce. Edited January 10, 2023 at 12:31 AM by Black Flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Thank you to all the Senators who voted NO on this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:15 PM, Upholder said: Harmon to close: "The SCOTUS has clearly ignored a major component." The right is supposed to secure a free state, it does not. responds that the M1 and 1911 do not meet the round requirements. "designed to do one thing only: kill people in a horribly viscous way." Claims this is a much better bill than where we started. "We will see you in court." You're damn right you will. Who the heck carry’s an M1 for protection? 1911’s can come in 9mm and .22, which will probably then meet the requirement, but what do they know. OH! Does all this apply to .22, and does anyone want to see if a .22 will hurt, I don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davel501 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:24 PM, Dumak_from_arfcom said: Yep, they clearly are blaming SCOTUS. They knew about Bruen from the beginning. That is why they rushed this through now. They wanted to get it on the books before more post-Bruen rulings come out. I worry they might know something about SCOTUS that we don't. This is just dumb otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams_1_again Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Their gun control house of cards is crumbing all around them. Can't wait to see another big check being handed over to GOA or whomever sues these tyrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monad Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:28 AM (edited) On 1/9/2023 at 6:21 PM, CM_50BMG said: So where is the bill with amendments to see exactly what the passed? Sounded like they put the serial number of guns back in? Here's the majority of the text of the bill (amendment 3): https://ilga.gov/legislation/102/HB/10200HB5471sam003.htm There were also amendments 4 and 5 that were filed, which seem like they fix typos: Amendment 4 Quote 10200HB5471sam004 LRB102 24372 JDS 42579 a 1 AMENDMENT TO HOUSE BILL 5471 2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend House Bill 5471, AS AMENDED, 3 with reference to page and line numbers of Senate Amendment 4 No. 3, on page 101, line 23, by replacing "(6)" with "(7)". Amendment 5 Quote 10200HB5471sam005 LRB102 24372 JDS 42581 a 1 AMENDMENT TO HOUSE BILL 5471 2 AMENDMENT NO. ______. Amend House Bill 5471, AS AMENDED, 3 with reference to page and line numbers of Senate Amendment 4 No. 3, on page 106, line 15, by replacing "(b)" with "(c)". Bill status page: https://ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=5471&GAID=16&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=139995&SessionID=110&SpecSess=&Session=&GA=102 Edited January 10, 2023 at 12:29 AM by Monad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Porkchop Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:30 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:30 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:28 PM, davel501 said: I worry they might know something about SCOTUS that we don't. This is just dumb otherwise. Nah, they are just doing the same thing NY is and thumbing their nose at SCOTUS. The 7th circuit, if it even gets that far will have a field day with this. Just banning the possession of currently legal items will get them smacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPD#127 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:32 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:32 AM So lawsuits won’t be filed until the Governor signs and this becomes law. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:32 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:32 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:21 PM, CM_50BMG said: So where is the bill with amendments to see exactly what the passed? Sounded like they put the serial number of guns back in? Amendment 3 contains the bulk of the text. 4 and 5 were also included but are only technical changes of references to other portions of law. https://ilga.gov/legislation/102/HB/10200HB5471sam003.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilphil Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:33 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:33 AM The sooner this passes and fat boy signs it, sooner the lawsuits can begin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TargetCollector Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:33 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:33 AM Did anyone get the tally? I'd like to see how the senators voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCollector Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM We need republican as President - hopefully nominate another conservative Supreme Court justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:36 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:27 PM, mousegun6 said: Here's a link to the passed senate version: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/102/HB/PDF/10200HB5471sam003.pdf With amendments 4 and 5 is this really the "final" senate version? Are sfa4 and 5 included in this? I didn't have a chance to read any of the amendments as it happened so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:37 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:37 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:33 PM, TargetCollector said: Did anyone get the tally? I'd like to see how the senators voted. https://ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/102/senate/10200HB5471_01092023_010000T.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:38 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:38 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:36 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: With amendments 4 and 5 is this really the "final" senate version? Are sfa4 and 5 included in this? I didn't have a chance to read any of the amendments as it happened so fast. 4 and 5 are just technical corrections of some language and such and I don't think they change anything except doing a little housekeeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:40 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:40 AM If this thing gets signed into law, and somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS and they slap Illinois in the face striking the law down, basically making all such laws across the country null and void, I will personally call up a bakery and put in a standing order for a cake with the text of the 2A on it, including a card with a pic of everyone laughing in the Goodfellas scene with the text "Sen. Harmon, thank you for personally safeguarding the 2A for all Illinoisans for generations to come"......and I'll literally send it every week lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:40 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:40 AM Quote Gov. JB Pritzker, House Speaker Emanuel “Chris” Welch and Senate President Don Harmon issued a joint statement in support of a sweeping assault weapons ban. The Senate passed the legislation Monday and the House is expected to put final approval on it Tuesday to send to the governor’s desk. Joint statement from the three leaders: “After continued negotiations between the leaders, stakeholders and advocates, we have reached a deal on one of the strongest assault weapons bans in the country. “Gun violence is an epidemic that is plaguing every corner of this state and the people of Illinois are demanding substantive action. With this legislation we are delivering on the promises Democrats have made and, together, we are making Illinois’ gun laws a model for the nation.” Key components of HB5471 include: Immediately ends the sale, delivery and purchase of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. The legislation includes a comprehensive, detailed and updated list of assault weapons subject to the ban. High capacity magazines are also prohibited. Strengthens assault weapons ban by allowing Illinois State Police to update as needed. Those already owning guns on the assault weapons list would have to provide information to the Illinois State Police. Immediately bans the possession and use of rapid-fire devices that increase the firing rate of semiautomatic weapons. Expedites the implementation of universal background checks. Does not change the FOID card age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:41 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:41 AM We won't know until the house passes whatever they are going to pass and see if they try and change something but I expect the leadership has an agreement already in place and this is what will be signed into law after they have the staff make it all pretty and make the necessary corrections in copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upholder Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:42 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:42 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:41 PM, mousegun6 said: We won't know until the house passes whatever they are going to pass and see if they try and change something but I expect the leadership has an agreement already in place and this is what will be signed into law after they have the staff make it all pretty and make the necessary corrections in copy. This is what they agreed upon. This is what will be signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Flag Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:43 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:43 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:40 PM, DD123 said: If this thing gets signed into law, and somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS and they slap Illinois in the face striking the law down, basically making all such laws across the country null and void, I will personally call up a bakery and put in a standing order for a cake with the text of the 2A on it, including a card with a pic of everyone laughing in the Goodfellas scene with the text "Sen. Harmon, thank you for personally safeguarding the 2A for all Illinoisans for generations to come"......and I'll literally send it every week lol. Make sure you use a bakery in his district, someone likely to object to making the cake. This way you can save on the delivery costs or maybe get some more legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Porkchop Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:45 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:45 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:42 PM, Upholder said: This is what they agreed upon. This is what will be signed. yup, i suspect the senate not requiring registration was what caused the house to pitch a fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:45 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:45 AM (edited) On 1/9/2023 at 6:10 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: Why does she need to read her speech from a paper? On 1/9/2023 at 6:15 PM, Upholder said: Harmon to close: "The SCOTUS has clearly ignored a major component." The right is supposed to secure a free state, it does not. responds that the M1 and 1911 do not meet the round requirements. "designed to do one thing only: kill people in a horribly viscous way." Claims this is a much better bill than where we started. "We will see you in court." You're damn right you will. Translation, the 2nd Amendment according to him applies only to militias and not the people and the Supreme Court got it wrong. He's right, we don't have a free state or a Democracy, we have a puppet government controlled by a cabal and this is more proof. He clearly has disdain and doesn't care about people's 2nd Amendment rights or the Supreme Court and their decisions and is ignoring both. But we are supposed to follow Bloomberg's law passed with bribes which makes illegal what the state of Illinois approved and said was ok to buy and are Constitutionally protected. Edited January 10, 2023 at 12:48 AM by 357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousegun6 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:48 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:48 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:40 PM, DD123 said: If this thing gets signed into law, and somehow ends up in front of SCOTUS and they slap Illinois in the face striking the law down, basically making all such laws across the country null and void, I will personally call up a bakery and put in a standing order for a cake with the text of the 2A on it, including a card with a pic of everyone laughing in the Goodfellas scene with the text "Sen. Harmon, thank you for personally safeguarding the 2A for all Illinoisans for generations to come"......and I'll literally send it every week lol. Just print out 365 copies of a page which says "2nd Amendment Rules" and send him a letter everyday for a year. No sense in wasting good cake on the loser. I'll be glad to chip in on the cost of the stamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
357 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:49 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:49 AM On 1/9/2023 at 6:10 PM, AlphaKoncepts aka CGS said: Why does she need to read her speech from a paper? Because she is a puppet and reading a speech prepared by her handlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveTA84 Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:50 AM Share Posted January 10, 2023 at 12:50 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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