Register or Relocate

[TargetCollector]

At this point, I think we can all assume that the proposed ban will pass on Sunday and then get sent to Pritzker and subsequently signed.  While a TRO or some other court action might help us, it also seems prudent to be ready to put plans into action quickly until we get relief from the courts.  To that end, I wonder what everyone here recommends between re-locating items out of state if possible or registering them through this new process (or modifying standard capacity mags to 12 rounds) and taking on the risks that entails.  

[tricolor]

I cannot think of another state that got more than 20% compliance with a registration scheme, Illinois will likely be similar.  Also, registration leads to confiscation.  It's up to you, but the vast majority of people aren't going to bend the knee and comply

[mauserme]

The question is, will it pass without additional amendments?

 

Or will a different version pass out of the Senate in a different bill, as is currently rumored?

 

 

[yurimodin]

"relocate"

[cybermgk]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:40 PM, mauserme said:

The question is, will it pass without additional amendments?

 

Or will a different version pass out of the Senate in a different bill, as is currently rumored?

 

 

Can you elaborate?

 

 

I know one thing.  I suggest not discussing anyone's plans on a forum, like this, whatever they are.

[EdDinIL]

It's your call on what you can afford:

 

1) Registration risks confiscation.

2) Relocation leaves you without your firearms and magazines and costs money.

3) Mag modification leaves you short rounds and risks damaging the magazines.

4) Being a test case costs you time, money, and a legal nightmare, but also you'll likely have the support of IC and a couple million gun owners.

 

There's no good answer unless you can afford to get out of the state completely and put this all behind you.

[mauserme]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:48 PM, cybermgk said:

Can you elaborate?

 

 

I know one thing.  I suggest not discussing anyone's plans on a forum, like this, whatever they are.

 

There's always a lot of discussion, speculation, inside info floating around on bills like this.  

[TargetCollector]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:51 PM, EdDinIL said:

It's your call on what you can afford:

 

1) Registration risks confiscation.

2) Relocation leaves you without your firearms and magazines and costs money.

3) Mag modification leaves you short rounds and risks damaging the magazines.

4) Being a test case costs you time, money, and a legal nightmare, but also you'll likely have the support of IC and a couple million gun owners.

 

There's no good answer unless you can afford to get out of the state completely and put this all behind you.

I definitely agree with all of this.  One of the things I'm wondering is what the collective consensus is on the likelihood and severity of each of the risks laid out here.

[2A4Cook]

Ok, these unconstitutional, unlawful "laws" Democrats impose really do p me off.  Let's do a little hypothetical, shall we?  They decide and pass a law that anyone who's voted for a Republican in the past 20 years must report their vote to the ISP/Gestapo, and report to the Highland Park gulag for reeducation as good socialists (Durkin is not only exempted, but is one of the gulag reeducators).  Failure to do either or both is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison.  What do you, Republican voter, do, and what does our Federal government do about a state unlawfully trampling on the constitutionally protected rights of American citizens?  There's no difference here.

[Capt_Destro]

I hate that we cant share things on our own forum.

 

Compliance will be low, and these chicken **** legislators wont be able to sleep at night once they realize how many people just stopped caring about some idiotic laws.

 

Prohibition is doomed to fail. The crime rate will go up.

 

To the antis reading this, trying to fish for stuff.  

 

😛🖕

Edited January 6, 2023 at 08:12 PM by Capt_Destro

[mab22]

Hasn't been signed into law yet so don't **it the bed yet.

Then the law suites are "supposed to be filed", so I'm sure they will request an stay or in-juncture, whatever it's called to put the law on hold. 

Still not time to panic.

If they loose in court, not likely, then it's time to be concerned.

 

[liberty13]

On 1/6/2023 at 1:51 PM, EdDinIL said:

It's your call on what you can afford:

 

1) Registration risks confiscation.

2) Relocation leaves you without your firearms and magazines and costs money.

3) Mag modification leaves you short rounds and risks damaging the magazines.

4) Being a test case costs you time, money, and a legal nightmare, but also you'll likely have the support of IC and a couple million gun owners.

 

There's no good answer unless you can afford to get out of the state completely and put this all behind you.

#2
what is considered acceptable mag modification? what level of temporary or permanent change is expected? that doesn't seem to be defined. I wouldn't want to do anything permanent - and my 18 rd stock handgun didn't come with something in less rounds. Now they do have a (CA) 10 rounder - but nobody has them - even the manufacturer. I would mod one if it was only something that could be un-modded without any future function loss when returned to it's original state.

[Dumak_from_arfcom]

If this passes, some people are going to lose hundreds if not thousands of dollars they have invested just in magazines.  You can store them out of state... that costs money. You can sell them to a FFL which won't give you more than a few bucks - if you are lucky. Or you can sell them to other people out of state at a loss.  

 

2011 mags aren't cheap. Especially the ones that were tuned by gunsmiths to function flawlessly.  The 2011 shooters I know probably have 4-5k worth invested in their pistol mags alone.  And they swear finding 10 round 2011 mags is almost impossible.  heck the Springfield Prodigy is new, thousands of those were sold, and they don't even have 10 round mags available. 

Will there be a way to hold the state liable for loss/damages when this bill is found unconstitutional?  

[2A4Cook]

They are "taken for public use," meaning, "SAFE-T."  There is no just compensation, nor ANY compensation.  It violates the 5th Amendment along with the 2nd.  I wonder if Fatboy's detail will be giving up their ARs and mags?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, STUPID PEASANTS! 

Edited January 6, 2023 at 08:40 PM by 2A4Cook

[John Q Public]

I was an Open GM what he's saying is true about mag prices and tuning ...the firearms can cost $5000 or more as well. It will kill the sport in the state of Illinois.

 

All the loss in mags and then you have to try and source 10 rounds. I did some checking and they are available for my carry firearm, but they are $39 per and that's another $160 fore a single firearm. 

 

I do have an option to carry smaller, less accurate, firearm with fewer rounds. It means I will have to carry a couple extra mags to get me where I was for capacity, but I'm older now and that bit of barrel length really helps, for accuracy, and time to get back on target.

Edited January 6, 2023 at 08:44 PM by John Q Public

[Capt_Destro]

Dude I will chop my G17 to a G26 grip before I buy neutered mags for a full sized pistol.

 

[soundguy]

On 1/6/2023 at 2:16 PM, liberty13 said:

#2
what is considered acceptable mag modification? what level of temporary or permanent change is expected? that doesn't seem to be defined. I wouldn't want to do anything permanent - and my 18 rd stock handgun didn't come with something in less rounds. Now they do have a (CA) 10 rounder - but nobody has them - even the manufacturer. I would mod one if it was only something that could be un-modded without any future function loss when returned to it's original state.

 

In a discussion about a specific pistol, from another forum, MAG BLOCKS came up as a California solution. They all seem to cost $6.95.

 

- Held in place with spring tension or can be epoxied for a permanent modification. 

 

I don't expect to need any.

 

Cheers

Tim

Edited January 6, 2023 at 09:08 PM by soundguy

[cybermgk]

EVEN if made law Sunday or Monday, there is still 300 days for the sporting rifles, and 90 days on Mags, LOTS of time for suits, Injunctions and TROs

[BobPistol]

Prior to the FCCL legislation, I had some standard capacity Glock mags which I stored in a safe deposit box in a Dupage County bank due to Cook County's mag ban.   

[RedWrangler]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:07 PM, soundguy said:

 

In a discussion about a specific pistol, from another forum, MAG BLOCKS came up as a California solution. They all seem to cost $6.95.

 

- Held in place with spring tension or can be epoxied for a permanent modification. 

 

I don't expect to need any.

 

Cheers

Tim

Ha!!  By pure coincidence, I've got three (different) mag blocks sitting in a "cart" there...waiting for Sunday evening.  I'm not optimistic, but like the man said "Hope springs eternal" 

[JDW]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:16 PM, cybermgk said:

EVEN if made law Sunday or Monday, there is still 300 days for the sporting rifles, and 90 days on Mags, LOTS of time for suits, Injunctions and TROs

I fell asleep, last I looked, the mag portion was to be effective upon the Rotund One signing this into law. Has something changed? I just got back to the screen. Thanks

[Upholder]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:27 PM, JDW said:

I fell asleep, last I looked, the mag portion was to be effective upon the Rotund One signing this into law. Has something changed? I just got back to the screen. Thanks

 

 

HB5855 was immediate effect, no grandfather clause, no grace period and made you a Class 2 felon for possession of 2 or more mags holding more than 10 rounds at the time the bill was signed into law.

 

SB2226 with House Floor Amendment 3 is what was eventually passed by the House and sent to the Senate.    HFA3 does have a 90 day grace period before enforcement.  There is still no grandfather clause.  The penalty is now $1000 per mag that can hold more than 12 rounds.

[ealcala31]

On 1/6/2023 at 4:27 PM, Upholder said:

 

 

HB5855 was immediate effect, no grandfather clause, no grace period and made you a Class 2 felon for possession of 2 or more mags holding more than 10 rounds at the time the bill was signed into law.

 

SB2226 with House Floor Amendment 3 is what was eventually passed by the House and sent to the Senate.    HFA3 does have a 90 day grace period before enforcement.  There is still no grandfather clause.  The penalty is now $1000 per mag that can hold more than 12 rounds.

The 1K, isn't that for the 1st offense?

[ragsbo]

Folks, do what you gotta do then SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Lose lips sink ships. NO ONE needs to know what you are or are not doing., especially on the internet.

[powderhead]

On 1/6/2023 at 11:48 AM, cybermgk said:

Can you elaborate?

 

 

I know one thing.  I suggest not discussing anyone's plans on a forum, like this, whatever they are.

A word to the wise is sufficient.  

[yurimodin]

On 1/6/2023 at 4:27 PM, Upholder said:

 

 

HB5855 was immediate effect, no grandfather clause, no grace period and made you a Class 2 felon for possession of 2 or more mags holding more than 10 rounds at the time the bill was signed into law.

 

SB2226 with House Floor Amendment 3 is what was eventually passed by the House and sent to the Senate.    HFA3 does have a 90 day grace period before enforcement.  There is still no grandfather clause.  The penalty is now $1000 per mag that can hold more than 12 rounds.

Having a 12 rnd carve out to basically appease all the new sig365 owners tells me they are already feeling the heat even from fudds. All the "socially responsible" have stated for decades that the 11th round is the one that causes nuclear holocaust.

Edited January 6, 2023 at 11:37 PM by yurimodin
Typo

[crufflesmuth]

On 1/6/2023 at 5:37 PM, yurimodin said:

Having a 12 rnd carve out to basically appease all the new sig365 owners tells me they are already feeling the heat even from fudds. All the "socially responsible" have stated for decades that the 11th round is the one that causes nuclear holocaust.

 

No, the 12 round carve out is for the Fudd's with an FN Hi-Power. 

[IH8IL]

On 1/6/2023 at 5:44 PM, crufflesmuth said:

 

No, the 12 round carve out is for the Fudd's with an FN Hi-Power. 

Lowest rounds for hi power is 13. And that was almost a hundred years ago that the hi power came out, lol.

[357]

On 1/6/2023 at 2:11 PM, mab22 said:

Hasn't been signed into law yet so don't **it the bed yet.

Then the law suites are "supposed to be filed", so I'm sure they will request an stay or in-juncture, whatever it's called to put the law on hold. 

Still not time to panic.

If they loose in court, not likely, then it's time to be concerned.

 

Hasn't been signed but they are ready to comply and making their job easier by finding ways to modify magazines. Modified magazines are not reliable and cannot be used for self defense and junk once you modify can't sell them. That's taking advice from people who know nothing about guns and magazines and have not even read the bill and lied and rubber stamped bills written by a billionaire who thinks he is king.

 

There's a reason they were designed like that by the manufacturer, can't depend your life on modified magazines and the prosecutor can go after you in court if used for self defense. This bill bans most rifles and most pistols and most shotguns by calling them "assault" weapons which by the way was coined by Hitler (Sturmgewehr 44) for propaganda and is being used for propaganda to ban and confiscate guns in America. Weapons made for civilians, not weapons of war. All it takes for a gun to be banned is attach the label assault weapon but such a thing doesn't exist. It's a gun ban period and can't use the guns if the magazines are banned and cannot be justified, only about 1% of guns use 12 round magazines. Corrupt Illinois politicians ignoring court rulings and their oath and people's rights by passing bills given by Bloomberg and being too cute by half.

 

https://readthereporter.com/there-is-no-such-thing-as-an-assault-rifle/?unapproved=7588&moderation-hash=9d6f267bc205a8d5fb0f8de7d56eb9cd#comment-7588

Edited January 7, 2023 at 01:25 AM by 357

[lilguy]

Soo, if this passes, and we can't discuss whats next. Why continue with this or any gun site going forward.