Gun Registry "Kiosks" According to ISP Director

[notshawn54]

On 12/28/2022 at 11:03 PM, Lou said:

I am now a resident of Missouri. It’s a Constitutional Carry state.  
 

I gave up on Illinois. 
 

I can’t wait for the ISP letter telling me my CCL is suspended.  🥸

I moved to Florida back in July.  Last week the ISP sent me a new CCL with FOID combined.  While I know that it is invalid since I’m a FL resident now, apparently IL hasn’t got a clue. 

[SiliconSorcerer]

On 12/29/2022 at 11:11 AM, notshawn54 said:

I moved to Florida back in July.  Last week the ISP sent me a new CCL with FOID combined.  While I know that it is invalid since I’m a FL resident now, apparently IL hasn’t got a clue. 

One advantage is not telling your car insurance company you moved because Florida insurance rates are much higher. 

The other advantage is, not saying I recommend it, if you move from IL you rip off the little sticker and your plates are for as good as you never get pulled over. 

I know someone getting close to 10 years now, what happens if they speed and get caught IDK. 

 

[yurimodin]

Im not actually going to drill a 3rd hole (I'm not really that interested in full auto anyway). Point is I am Todd's summary of Heller & Bruen is basically what I am leaning on. At some point we have to defy. Freedom isn't free.

[notshawn54]

On 12/29/2022 at 12:25 PM, SiliconSorcerer said:

One advantage is not telling your car insurance company you moved because Florida insurance rates are much higher. 

The other advantage is, not saying I recommend it, if you move from IL you rip off the little sticker and your plates are for as good as you never get pulled over. 

I know someone getting close to 10 years now, what happens if they speed and get caught IDK. 

 

Well darn.  It’s too late.  I wanted to try and get rid of all evidence of IL in my life, but that’s a stain I’ll never be rid of.  In all seriousness, I think my insurance is about $75 more a year.  It pays to have a clean driving record and I’m too old to do all the stupid crap that I used to do.  Small price to pay for all the other benefits.  

[soundguy]

On 12/28/2022 at 5:08 PM, mousegun6 said:

... if I only had myself to think of when considering participating in massive and passive non-compliance...

 

Done quietly, who would ever know someone was participating?

 

Cheers,

Tim

[steveTA84]

On 12/30/2022 at 8:53 AM, soundguy said:

 

Done quietly, who would ever know someone was participating?

 

Cheers,

Tim

This.

[TRJ]

I'll remind you guys that when I went to the NC DMV to update my residency and get a NC license in February 2020 the girl at the desk warned me that by getting a NC license my concealed carry license in Illinois would be revoked. She said something about the systems being connected. She said this too me as she looked at her screen. I don't know if that's a boilerplate warning they offer so new residents don't get jammed up in NC with an old dead gun license or if it's in response to anything that popped up on her screen specific to me or Illinois.  My wife got the same treatment, she too had an FCCL. 

 

I did send my cards and my wife's cards back to ISP. I didn't want them being outstanding to cause problems getting my new NC cards issued. My wife's card got a letter back like two weeks later from ISP acknowledging receipt and cancellation. My letter didn't come until almost a year later. Go figure.

Edited December 31, 2022 at 12:37 PM by TRJ

[SiliconSorcerer]

I sent my daughter's FOID in after a misdemeanor cannabis charge, these were expunged per JB I'm still waiting for its return.    She's smart she moved to Florida this year 

[mousegun6]

On 12/30/2022 at 8:53 AM, soundguy said:

 

Done quietly, who would ever know someone was participating?

 

Cheers,

Tim

No one will know, and I think most gun owners in Illinois will be part of a massive and passive non-compliant group because they are simply unaware of the new law, if it passes. I'm not suggesting that anyone do anything except follow their own beliefs. If I choose to ignore the law and stand up for my rights under the 2nd Amendment then I take the risk of losing those rights because I would be considered a felon if convicted. My problem is that I have other people in my home who exercise their second amendment rights and conceal carry and I put them at risk if I ignore the law. It's not my intention to piss anyone off or support the governments efforts to disarm us but somebody needs to remind everyone that they need to think the situation through and face reality. I don't know what will be accomplished by quietly participating in non-compliance except to give you a sense that you are doing something to fight back and putting yourself in danger of arrest and prosecution. The Mom's Demand Action group want's "something to be done". They want to feel like something is being done to stop people killing other people. I put the action of quiet non-compliance in the same category as passing an ineffective law, it won't help the problem. What's your end game? Are you going to keep your 17 round magazines to use them or keep them to make yourself feel better?

 

If you want to actually help solve the problem then support the legal defense fund and arm our attorneys to fight in court. Illinois was the last state to allow concealed carry(I think). That battle and right was won in a court of law and this new proposed law will be fought in court. In the meantime, we need to keep people out of jail and encourage everyone to remain a "law-abiding" citizen. Just my opinion and I will not be offended if every single one of you disagree with my approach. Just think it through before you decide what you are going to do if the law is passed and the magazine ban makes you a felon in the eyes of the cop that pulls you over for a traffic violation or because he saw you exit the gun range.

[SiliconSorcerer]

Jury of your peers, not guilty if I'm on. 

[davel501]

On 12/31/2022 at 9:02 AM, SiliconSorcerer said:

Jury of your peers, not guilty if I'm on. 

How many people are taking that risk though? You are talking a small fortune in legal fees with the risk of maximum penalties. Betting most plea out if it becomes a thing. 

[mousegun6]

On 12/31/2022 at 9:07 AM, davel501 said:

How many people are taking that risk though? You are talking a small fortune in legal fees with the risk of maximum penalties. Betting most plea out if it becomes a thing. 

I plan on taking some of the money I would possibly spend on attorney fees and spend it on our combined defense to fight this law if passed. If we remain "law-abiding" citizens we disarm the gun grabbers and demonstrate that we are not the problem because we are not criminals. The rest of the money I'm going to use to practice shooting, using my new 10 round mags in my new gun.

[mauserme]

If this were to become law I think a lot of folks will get a few lower capacity magazines to use at ranges where they might worry about the consequences of using normal magazines, keeping the traditional capacity in reserve until the law is killed in court.

 

 

 

[soundguy]

On 12/31/2022 at 8:59 AM, mousegun6 said:

Just think it through before you decide what you are going to do if the law is passed and the magazine ban makes you a felon in the eyes of the cop that pulls you over for a traffic violation or because he saw you exit the gun range.

 

Chicagoan's have already faced those fears.

Nothing happened.

Shhhhh...

 

Cheers,

Tim

[mousegun6]

On 12/31/2022 at 10:21 AM, soundguy said:

 

Chicagoan's have already faced those fears.

Nothing happened.

Shhhhh...

 

Cheers,

Tim

OK Tim, finish your thought. Are you going to guarantee that the cop that stops me will have the same attitude? Will a state-wide ban on magazines over ten rounds change the past enforcement protocol? I'm not interested in finding out the hard way. I have already converted all of my magazines to hold no more than ten rounds so I don't have to worry about it when or if I am stopped. I hope nobody in Illinois is ever prosecuted if this law is passed but I am sure that I will follow the law until it is ruled unconstitutional or not. You can make light of the consequences if you want but I don't share your optimism that we are going to win this fight without considerable time and money spent to make it happen.It was expensive to convert my mags but not nearly as expensive as hiring a lawyer. The only fear that I have is that good people will ignore the law and lose their 2nd Amendment rights after being convicted of a felony. You seem to be saying that my fear is unfounded.  We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

[357]

This guy got shot 12 times and lived. How is 10 rounds enough for self defense, especially with criminals attacking in groups and wear body armor and have automatic guns (switches) with 50 round magazines but law abiding people should be limited to 10? Are they serious? Are the politicians bodyguards gonna be limited to 10 rounds and non assaulting guns?

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 at 11:48 PM by 357

[JoStar]

On 12/31/2022 at 5:28 PM, mousegun6 said:

OK Tim, finish your thought. Are you going to guarantee that the cop that stops me will have the same attitude? Will a state-wide ban on magazines over ten rounds change the past enforcement protocol? I'm not interested in finding out the hard way. I have already converted all of my magazines to hold no more than ten rounds so I don't have to worry about it when or if I am stopped. I hope nobody in Illinois is ever prosecuted if this law is passed but I am sure that I will follow the law until it is ruled unconstitutional or not. You can make light of the consequences if you want but I don't share your optimism that we are going to win this fight without considerable time and money spent to make it happen.It was expensive to convert my mags but not nearly as expensive as hiring a lawyer. The only fear that I have is that good people will ignore the law and lose their 2nd Amendment rights after being convicted of a felony. You seem to be saying that my fear is unfounded.  We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

mousegun is just putting all this out there cause he is terrified of glowies on this site and he is trying to cover his a**.

 

how many times u gonna repeat the same thing?

 

i would just ignore him.

Edited December 31, 2022 at 11:58 PM by JoStar

[davel501]

This is another good story to highlight the problem with telling others what they need to be safe. 

 

https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/

 

Nicest guy. I took a Modern Samurai Project class with him. I was surprised he carried so much ammo on his belt and some of the guys in the class clued me in to the story. 

[soundguy]

On 12/31/2022 at 5:28 PM, mousegun6 said:

OK Tim, finish your thought. Are you going to guarantee that the cop that stops me

 

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

First off... why the heck are you getting stopped?

If you expect you will be stopped soon, fix that problem right away.

If you do get stopped, it's likely there will never be a problem, unless you are being a jerk.

 

I continued to visit Gun World, in Bensenville out by the airport, even though it was "common knowledge" that a special CPD task force was capturing our license plate info for future raids at our homes... never happened. It was just BS paranoia. Same as now.

 

Cops don't wanna bust us and they don't really give a poop about law and order.

They just wanna have a safe tour and go home.

Unless you're a jerk.

 

Don't break traffic laws and there is no reason to be pulled over.

Sobriety checkpoints are extremely rare, though I bet there are a few extras in place tonight, amateur night. Jerks and idiots will be arrested.

 

Live your best life, do what you must to be safe.

Do not succumb to baseless fear.

Most of all... shhhhh.

We are on a public forum...

 

Cheers,

Tim

[steveTA84]

On 12/31/2022 at 5:28 PM, mousegun6 said:

I'm not interested in finding out the hard way. I have already converted all of my magazines to hold no more than ten rounds so I don't have to worry about it when or if I am stopped. I hope nobody in Illinois is ever prosecuted if this law is passed but I am sure that I will follow the law until it is ruled unconstitutional or not.

.......why do that when you could just get 10 round mags for your carry guns (use those when carrying) and not have to worry about destroying regular mags?

Edited January 1, 2023 at 04:23 AM by steveTA84

[357]

On 12/31/2022 at 10:21 PM, steveTA84 said:

.......why do that when you could just get 10 round mags for your carry guns (use those when carrying) and not have to worry about destroying regular mags?

A lot of guns can't use 10 round magazines. A magazine ban is a gun ban. Manufacturers shouldn't make 10 round magazines to help the banners who are trying to make them go out of business.

Edited January 1, 2023 at 06:31 AM by 357

[357]

Also the AR-15 will not be a "weapon of war" anymore and is not that high powered after all, contrary to what doctors paid by Bloomberg say. Even though is made for civilians and not the same as the M4. The army is moving to new rifles and more powerful ammunition.

 

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a23654011/army-68-calliber-bullet-replace-556/

Edited January 1, 2023 at 06:29 AM by 357

[mousegun6]

On 12/31/2022 at 5:57 PM, JoStar said:

mousegun is just putting all this out there cause he is terrified of glowies on this site and he is trying to cover his a**.

 

how many times u gonna repeat the same thing?

 

i would just ignore him.

JoStar, I am putting this out there for the benefit of people like my two neighbors who didn't even know about this HB5855 and can't believe that they would be considered a felon by the state, after this law is passed, for possessing a 17 round magazine that they bought legally. I don't need to cover my a** because I have already spent the money and the time to comply with the new restriction, which will be passed and championed by our governor. You don't need to tell people to ignore me because I'm done giving my opinion on this subject. All of you who continue to advise people that the law will not be enforced or a risk to them are being irresponsible and I suggest that you do as Mouser said and pick up some 10 round mags for your carry gun or to use at the range. What you do about your "now illegal" mags is still a question to be answered. I can honestly say that I don't have any in my possession and I'm not stupid enough to defy the law and risk losing my 2nd Amendment rights. I just joined the site a few days ago because I wanted to make a positive difference and help fight for our rights. Evidently, some people don't trust me or my message. I'm not surprised by that but I am disappointed that we can't find a difference of opinion a refreshing change and a helpful development. The text of the 2nd Amendment was discussed at length and everyone's opinion was heard. Have we lost that ability to discuss ideas and offer solutions? Is it better to belittle ideas and tell people to ignore someone who has an opinion that is logical and based on reality? Facing reality is something adults do and they also plan ahead to minimize risk to them and to the people in their community. Happy New Year and safe shooting at the range.

[steveTA84]

On 1/1/2023 at 9:21 AM, mousegun6 said:

Have we lost that ability to discuss ideas and offer solutions? Is it better to belittle ideas and tell people to ignore someone who has an opinion that is logical and based on reality? Facing reality is something adults do and they also plan ahead to minimize risk to them and to the people in their community

This sounds more like a psychological game now in which you’re trying to recruit people into compliance. No offense.

 

And I don’t think anyone is saying to carry “evil” mags once this is passed (why risk that in public). I think people are more or less saying they won’t be destroying what they have just to make some petty tyrants happy, which is American A F. You said you we’re gonna sit this one out (“you do you”), but it now looks like you’re moving the lever towards advocating that everyone be conditioned to listen to Bob and JB and there if you don’t you’re the bad guy....

Edited January 1, 2023 at 04:10 PM by steveTA84

[mauserme]

On 1/1/2023 at 9:21 AM, mousegun6 said:

JoStar, I am putting this out there for the benefit of people like my two neighbors who didn't even know about this HB5855 and can't believe that they would be considered a felon by the state, after this law is passed, for possessing a 17 round magazine that they bought legally. I don't need to cover my a** because I have already spent the money and the time to comply with the new restriction, which will be passed and championed by our governor. You don't need to tell people to ignore me because I'm done giving my opinion on this subject. All of you who continue to advise people that the law will not be enforced or a risk to them are being irresponsible and I suggest that you do as Mouser said and pick up some 10 round mags for your carry gun or to use at the range. What you do about your "now illegal" mags is still a question to be answered. I can honestly say that I don't have any in my possession and I'm not stupid enough to defy the law and risk losing my 2nd Amendment rights. I just joined the site a few days ago because I wanted to make a positive difference and help fight for our rights. Evidently, some people don't trust me or my message. I'm not surprised by that but I am disappointed that we can't find a difference of opinion a refreshing change and a helpful development. The text of the 2nd Amendment was discussed at length and everyone's opinion was heard. Have we lost that ability to discuss ideas and offer solutions? Is it better to belittle ideas and tell people to ignore someone who has an opinion that is logical and based on reality? Facing reality is something adults do and they also plan ahead to minimize risk to them and to the people in their community. Happy New Year and safe shooting at the range.

 

If I can offer a different perspective, you refer to HB5855 as a “new restriction” but it isn't that. It's a proposed restriction that you acknowledged earlier in this thread would be unlikely to pass in its current form when you said, “The Illinois legislature will pass house bill HB5855 in some form ...”.

 

Given that, I suggest you acted prematurely when you did whatever you did to your existing, normal capacity magazines.

 

I agree with you that HB5855 is unlikely to pass as currently offered. Since we don't know what language they'll include in any future version(s), you may want avoid acting on your assumptions about what they do or do not think will survive a Constitutional challenge.

 

 

[soundguy]

On 1/1/2023 at 11:00 AM, mauserme said:

 

If I can offer a different perspective...

 

 

Mousegun6 is a very new Supporting Team lV member, who has also contributed to the Legislative Fund. I believe he is with us.

 

We should support him for his different perspective and his need to do what he thinks is the right thing for him. He may have not faced the Clinton AWB or the Chicago "Gun Ban". I have a different perspective partly because I have been through both of these... as have many IC members. There were scary questions at the time. There was also some paranoia with differing opinions during the "Fanny Pack Carry" days. I still have my favorite fanny pack.

 

Hang in there MG6.

Embrace the different opinions and strategies.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

[mousegun6]

On 1/1/2023 at 11:39 AM, soundguy said:

 

Hang in there MG6.

Embrace the different opinions and strategies.

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

I will do that Tim.

Full disclosure, here is what I am doing about the possible magazine ban:

1. Modifying all of my mags to limit them to 10 rounds in case the idiots in Springfield pass this legislation.

2. I am not making this modification permanent(epoxy), pending the outcome of the legislative process.

3. If the legislation is passed I will permanently modify(epoxy) 2 mags for each gun until the outcome of the court battle.

4. If the legislation is passed I will dispossess(move) the remaining mags to an out-of-state location(free state) pending the outcome of the court battle.

 

I will remain "law-abiding" throughout the process and hope we prevail. It's that simple.

 

I have been accused of working for the "enemy" and trying to recruit you into compliance. Nothing could be further from the truth. My intention in this matter is to warn you to watch out, the same thing I would do for any friend unaware of a speeding car ready to run them over. It's that simple. Perhaps I'm preaching to the choir here and everyone already has a plan to survive this stupid legislation. Being new here I don't have a feel yet for the group. If I have offended anyone please accept my sincere apology.

 

Good luck to all of you and I hope the legislation is reconsidered and dropped, but I am ready if it is passed. Hope for the best but plan for the worst, it's my SOP for survival.

 

Cheers and Happy New Year!

[John Q Public]

Be mindful you will need to replace/mod springs in those modded mags. 

 

JQ

 

 

Edited January 1, 2023 at 10:06 PM by John Q Public

[steveTA84]

On 1/1/2023 at 4:00 PM, mousegun6 said:

I will remain "law-abiding" throughout the process and hope we prevail. It's that simple.

 

I have been accused of working for the "enemy" and trying to recruit you into compliance.

Question for you. You get summoned for jury duty and are chosen. A man who was pulled over for speeding had 15 round mags (2) in his car (cop noticed then in his cup holder let’s say. Both were empty) and is now looking a some hard time. You listen to the case and the guy literally did nothing else except have the mags. How will you find the defendent? Guilty of “breaking the law”, or innocent due to the law being unjust? 

[mousegun6]

On 1/1/2023 at 4:09 PM, steveTA84 said:

Question for you. You get summoned for jury duty and are chosen. A man who was pulled over for speeding had 15 round mags (2) in his car (cop noticed then in his cup holder let’s say. Both were empty) and is now looking a some hard time. You listen to the case and the guy literally did nothing else except have the mags. How will you find the defendent? Guilty of “breaking the law”, or innocent due to the law being unjust? 

Interesting question, but I'm not stupid enough to answer it here. Jury nullification does happen.  I don't think I would ever be chosen for a jury involving a gun charge because I would be honest under pretrial questioning that I consider the 2nd Amendment an affirmation of our God given right to self-defense and that it should not be infringed on in any way. I doubt the prosecution would allow me to be seated but if they did they would find the strength of my convictions a problem, for them. However, I don't advise people to have any gun, magazine, or gun component visible in their vehicle at any time. I might find the guy guilty of being stupid if that's an option available per the judge's jury instructions.