State Rep LaShawn Ford on HB5585 - “Once you run out of the ammunition from the magazine, you cannot buy any more for that style.”

[Flynn]

On 12/20/2022 at 8:06 AM, apmonte said:

There's never been compromise in IL. Compromise doesn't mean that we negotiate how much of our rights we give away.  Compromise implies that both parties get something that they want.  If you want to negotiate further "reasonable" restrictions, then I expect IL to do away with the FOID system, or allow suppressors, or non-resident CCW, or other significant improvement in existing gun rights.

 

Otherwise, just say no, and we'll see you in court.

 

Sorry, but I have said since day one, my rights are not on the table for compromise, negotiations or giveaways (thus the reason I stopped giving anything to many 2nd groups) I refuse to forfeit any of my protected rights even if some consider them 'reasonable' forfeitures.

 

With Miller/Heller/McDonald/Bruen making it clear the the 2nd is a personal civil right of all, I say see you in court, the only restrictions I will tollerate will be those the Supreme Court deems appropriate under their new precedent, I refuse any restrictions the legislature, FUDDs or whomever deems 'reasonable' as I do not find any Constitutional restrictions reasonable especially if part of my rights are being bargained to restore another part of my rights that they had no business denying in the first place and should be restored unconditionally.

 

The time for compromise and negotiations over 2nd infringments is over as far as I'm concerned.  And it's time the end cut-outs as well, they are IMO modern day Jim Crow laws, I don't care what your day job was or is, you should enjoy more 2nd rights than others, that is not how rights are supposed to work.

[Plinkermostly]

I will stand on: 'Shall not infringe.'

 

 

[Flynn]

**EDIT for above, since my fat fingers and phone keyboards fight each other...

 

And it's time to the end cut-outs as well, they are IMO modern day Jim Crow laws, I don't care what your day job was or is, you should NOT enjoy more 2nd rights than others, that is not how rights are supposed to work.

[357]

On 12/19/2022 at 2:00 PM, RECarry said:

In keeping with Democrat's practice of swapping language with shell bills, TEN rounds could quickly become T S E V E N. 

A step at a time and that's their plan and that's what they did in New York state with 7 rounds low capacity. Bloomberg said you don't need more than 3 rounds to shoot a deer.

[357]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/02/flashback-2012-bloomberg-pushed-ban-on-guns-holding-more-than-3-rounds/

[MagSlap]

[mikew]

On 12/20/2022 at 8:58 AM, mab22 said:

According to my CC Instructor some group had the option, back in time to get rid of the FOID, BUT they fell for the whole "It does more good than bad" BS, and it was left out of the negotiation, and look where that got us.

 

Back in time, when?

This sounds like a "telephone chain" version of the FOID origin story.

 

[steveTA84]

FPC getting in on it  🤣

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmaiYgaBCNR/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
 

[Upholder]

LaShawn was back on the radio on Friday, Jan 6, talking about the passage of SB2226...

 

 

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We are not under any illusion that this bill is the panacea for public safety in the state of Illinois, but this is a smart approach.  It will immediately prohibit the sale of assault weapons and extended ammunition magazines and rapid fire modifications for guns.  That's a step in the right direction, even though we know it's not the panacea and it's not going to stop gun violence in Illinois.  But it will help save lives and that's what we're supposed to do.

 

[Upholder]

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Well, I think that it's a sign that one, that the governor listens to the will of the people.  I mean this bill passage is not only because Governor JB Pritzker and Speaker Welch and members of the general assembly that voted for it.  It's not because they and we wanted it to pass only, it's because we had hearings, meetings and there were taxpayers that stood up and demanded the action, and so it brought the Governor into the house chamber to use his, I would say, persuasion and show his support for all those advocates and victims of violence.  That's what that was when you have the Governor and the Speaker both come together in the House to push this measure across the finish line.  You know, Illinois is leading in this now.

 

[Upholder]

Asked about the witness slips in opposition "dwarfed" the proponents and how he could claim broad support:

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The NRA has years of what you call organized efforts where the could turn on a switch immediately and bring people to slip in opposition, come to Springfield in support of their measures.  When you talk about the counter, you're talking about moms, dads, brothers and sisters, and neighbors, and doctors that actually work jobs and they take time off because of the passion that they have, and the sympathy that they have for the people that have been victims.  You don't turn their switches on they way you turn on the switch of members of the NRA.  These people have real jobs that they have to continue to go to, and I'm not saying that the members of the NRA that could just just come at the drop of a dime don't, but they're organized and they've been organized for a very, very long time.

 

So, it seems like LaShawn doesn't think that we're real people with real jobs or real concerns.. we're just something that the NRA calls upon to support their agenda on demand.

 

 

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And so I hope that what we have today in the passage of this Senate Bill that it's going to begin to organize people that really want more sensible gun legislation and public safety measures passed.  This should be our ability to bring people together to fight for better public policy as it relates to gun safety.

 

[Upholder]

Asked about 10 to 12 rounds for magazines:

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When you talk about um, having semi..  having automatics... having guns modified to become automatic, that could shoot with one pull of a trigger, 12 rounds.. or before this bill became law, could shoot multiple um, with one pull.  So what we're saying is, we're not going to take away the mechanism that allows for an individual to modify a revolver and that could ultimately just shoot one round per pull. 

 

He's gone completely pah-tay-toe here, to borrow a phrase.

 

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We said, why don't we at least, if there's going to be an incident, that as you heard Bob Morgan speak about how there was a pause in the killing and shooting of people in Highland Park because the suspect actually had to change the magazine and it actually allowed people to escape and get away from the criminal that shot people in Highland Park.  So it simply delays and allows for victims to have chance at living.  That's what limiting how many rounds can be shot in a modified gun does.  You know, I think that it has to be made clear that our attempt here was a big deal to do two things: to stop the sale of assault weapons in Illinois.  So you will hear people talk about "this bill will do nothing".  Well if this bill becomes law, it will do something and it will help save lives.  There's no doubt that if you can stop a criminal from shooting 12 or 15 rounds with one pull of a trigger, that's going to help save lives.

 

LaShawn apparently thinks that magazines make firearms fully automatic, all on their own.   I weep for our legislature.

 

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So it will do something and I look forward to constantly talking with members of the NRA and people that may not be totally in support of this bill yet, to find out if there are modifications that we need to do to bring them on board to stronger public policy for gun owners.

 

He's delusional.

[Lou]

On 1/7/2023 at 6:06 PM, Upholder said:

So it will do something and I look forward to constantly talking with members of the NRA and people that may not be totally in support of this bill yet, to find out if there are modifications that we need to do to bring them on board to stronger public policy for gun owners.

 

It is pretty simple to get us on board:  

Craft laws that deal with the root cause of the gang ( not gun) violence problem.  Make sure that you read and understand current SCOTUS decisions on what the Second Amendment means and craft effective laws that pass Constitutional muster.  
 

Root causes of violent crime?  
Single parent households, dysfunctional schools which turn out people who are unprepared to hold down a decent job. Lax enforcement of existing laws which do not punish illegal behavior thereby encouraging more illegal behavior. 
 

I could go on but I’m sure your understand because none of us are politicians. 

[mousegun6]

On 1/7/2023 at 6:25 PM, Lou said:

It is pretty simple to get us on board:  

Craft laws that deal with the root cause of the gang ( not gun) violence problem.  Make sure that you read and understand current SCOTUS decisions on what the Second Amendment means and craft effective laws that pass Constitutional muster.  
 

Root causes of violent crime?  
Single parent households, dysfunctional schools which turn out people who are unprepared to hold down a decent job. Lax enforcement of existing laws which do not punish illegal behavior thereby encouraging more illegal behavior. 
 

I could go on but I’m sure your understand because none of us are politicians. 

You are completely right about all of this, especially the single parent households and the dysfunctional schools. My nephew teaches high school and I could tell you some stories. It's really sad that the legislature won't recognize the problem and stop blaming gun owners when they should be going after the gangs that rule our streets.

[steveTA84]

LaShawn comments are gold 

 

https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/top-il-house-dem-at-it-again-assault-magazine-fed-revolvers-is-why-we-need-a-ban

[Lou]

On 1/7/2023 at 8:49 PM, mousegun6 said:

You are completely right about all of this, especially the single parent households and the dysfunctional schools. My nephew teaches high school and I could tell you some stories. It's really sad that the legislature won't recognize the problem and stop blaming gun owners when they should be going after the gangs that rule our streets.

The Illinois politicians do not have the political courage to confront the root causes of violent crime so they attack an inanimate object.  It’s what politicians do. 

[357]

It's all gang violence not gun violence, guns don't commit violence. They and the media don't say that because it doesn't fit Bloomberg's agenda which they push together. It's a conspiracy to deprive us of our Constitutional right. As long as there's gangs, the violence is never gonna stop and we don't have anything to do with it, go after the people committing the violence.

 

There's gonna be retaliation killing after retaliation killing non stop as always. They can pass a million laws banning guns but gangs still gonna have guns and going after and punishing law abiding people is not gonna change anything. Having a rifle and standard capacity magazine doesn't make someone a mass murderer. Millions of law abiding gun owners shouldn't be persecuted and turned into criminals for what one guy did. They are very twisted and corrupt and are breaking their oath. A few of the videos that explain the problem and there's plenty more on Facebook.

 

https://fb.watch/hJWzgtXQ-S/

 

https://fb.watch/hREwQ7LUkc/

 

https://fb.watch/hW1G81PcUw/

 

[Drylok]

The hair stands up on the back of my neck every time I see this. It's so embarrassing 

[Colt guy]

So is there anything in this law that creates mandatory minimums for the multitude of lowlifes who use illegally converted Glocks with full auto switches or illegal full auto rifles that have been illegally converted ? Nearly every day we see or hear about these shootings with these illegal modifications. Thats a common sense law I can get behind.

[mab22]

On 1/8/2023 at 10:34 PM, Colt guy said:

So is there anything in this law that creates mandatory minimums for the multitude of lowlifes who use illegally converted Glocks with full auto switches or illegal full auto rifles that have been illegally converted ? Nearly every day we see or hear about these shootings with these illegal modifications. Thats a common sense law I can get behind.

I believe that’s covered under federal law, for some reason they claim the feds won’t prosecute, not sure I believe that myself. 
They claim they would be able to prosecute at the state level, yet I think it’s an automatic so that should already be covered, so why ain’t they protecting ?
 

[357]

On 1/8/2023 at 10:44 PM, mab22 said:

I believe that’s covered under federal law, for some reason they claim the feds won’t prosecute, not sure I believe that myself. 
They claim they would be able to prosecute at the state level, yet I think it’s an automatic so that should already be covered, so why ain’t they protecting ?
 

They have privilege and are a protected class. The law only applies to certain people, look at the selective prosecution and selective enforcement of laws by the Biden administration. Look how they commit crimes and get a slap on the wrist by Democrats. As long as the Democrats are in charge they don't have to worry about it and post videos with switches online with impunity. If we did that, Google would have turned us in and would have gotten raided. That is proof that these laws have nothing to do with safety but can be used to disarm and control and persecute the opposition like they're doing with the January 6 protesters.

[Rangerdeepv]

These dum0craps cannot be compromised with on any 2A item. Yes the ISRA dropped the ball on the last 'law' and the excuse of they went for the lesser of two evils is pretty lame but it appears they have really gone all in on this one. Don't give an inch and take a foot with these people is all they know and understand sometimes. What really fries me is the blatant disregard for the SCOTUS rulings.............where is the accountability in that? Look below their names and see all the J.D.'s. How are they not being disbarred or criminally charged? I know..........rhetorical question but still it is our tax money needed to defend these ding-a-lings against our own rights.